N.Korea Agrees to disable nuke plant but why?

news.yahoo.com... i find this interesting and shady for quite a few reasons some of them being that containtment ha always worked with n.korea but i wouldnt consider them so eager to budge so willingly also The complex at Yongbyon has been at the center of North Korea's nuclear weapons programs for decades and is believed to have produced the nuclear device Pyongyang detonated a year ago to prove its long-suspected nuclear capability. now n.korea is infamous for 3 things taking any aid and resources given in aide and thus giving it to its military for consumption leaving its own people to starve,another thing they are notorious for doing is selling anything weapon wise that isnt nailed down and 3 making veiled threats so as to receive aid so why would they give up one of their only pieces of leverage. have they already sold some of they nukes they have made also in recently light we have discovered the possibility of n.korea using syria to making nukes for them so is this a clever attempt at a kansas city shuffle making the world look one way while they make nukes in a different direction?

I think old crazy Kim got payed off in some form or another and/or got a secret agreement that he would have any CIA arranged accidents.


His Chinese puppet masters also may wanted to have thier corned of SE Asia nice and tidy for the Olympic games as well.

The answer is simple. We made a deal with them. In exchange for dismantling their nuclear program they will be supplied with fuel oil to compensate them for the energy loss, and supposedly will receive security guarantees or possibly a peace treaty.

NK already has enough nuclear material for several bombs. But the agreement does not specifically ask for that to be returned.

I would guess handing that over to be the last act before a peace treaty ends this 50+ year conflict.

Then maybe the two Koreas could re-unite.

And as for those threats, they never got any aide for them. The threats were a response to threats against them.

And its not 'Aid'. Its compensation. We are not going to 'give' NK anything. We are going to replace what they gave up.

[edit on 3-10-2007 by Malichai]

Unlike Iran, N. Korea did not seek nukes for domination of their region nor did they have intentions of wiping another country off a map or anything like that. Their program was purely for blackmail and nothing else. They want to be taken seriously, they want food, they want money, they want to be integrated into the world community and they have gotten their way. If thats hwat they had to do for it to happen then you cant really argue with them if it pans out.

Iran doesnt have the DIRE need for food, money etc that N. Korea does so im sure there are those out there who want to paint the scenario as the same but its not. Two completely different countries with two completely different agendas...the only similarity is the means they are using to get what they want.

Their program was purely for blackmail and nothing else.

Their program was for self defense just like everyone else who has nukes. America has been threatening them for over 50 years. And yes, we threatened to nuke them many times. Not recently but those old threats are still remembered.

They know that with nukes we can't invade without risking the scortched earth policy where they nuke out troops on their own land.

Their handful of nukes were no deterrent. They would have never gotten off the launchers. Obviously they arent meant as a deterrent or they wouldnt be giving them up. So they get food and water and money in return for no nukes and that is suppose to stop us from invading them how exactly if we wanted to?

Originally posted by Malichai
Their program was purely for blackmail and nothing else.

Their program was for self defense just like everyone else who has nukes. America has been threatening them for over 50 years. And yes, we threatened to nuke them many times. Not recently but those old threats are still remembered.

They know that with nukes we can't invade without risking the scortched earth policy where they nuke out troops on their own land.

thats rubbish n.korea are notorious arms dealers they sold the nukes and saved whats left to blackmail other countries into supplying foreign aide and the non military people will still starve. and perhaps you forgot the inccident where they held japanese civilians they made disappear for 20+ years for no apparent reason. n.korea isnt the downtrodden underdogs they want you to believe they are

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Their handful of nukes were no deterrent.

How can you say that? There has been no war.

They would have never gotten off the launchers.

Nukes do not need a missile. They can be delivered by other means or simply used as landmines.

Obviously they arent meant as a deterrent or they wouldnt be giving them up.

NK is not required by the agreement to give up the Plutonium that they already produced. They are not giving up their nukes. They are giving up their reactors and reprocessing faclities in exchange for fuel oil.

So they get food and water and money in return for no nukes

NO. They get compensating fuel oil from us. No money, food or water.

And in exchange they get to keep their nukes but not the equiment to make more.

and that is suppose to stop us from invading them how exactly if we wanted to?

Of course we can break our word after the deal is complete, but then why all the dancing now?

Originally posted by zeroeffect
thats rubbish n.korea are notorious arms dealers

America sells more weapons than any other nation on Earth. NK is not bound by any treaty that limits their arms sales.

they sold the nukes

Do you have a source for that?

and saved whats left to blackmail other countries into supplying foreign aide

I doubt you understand the history of the conflict. I believe that what you call blackmail began in 1992. NK had just finished their first full scale fuel cycle at the reactor and were getting ready to remove the fuel rods and begin processing. Clinton was left with three choices, let it happen, start a war or try to make a deal. So he sent Jimmy Carter to meet with the leadership of NK. And they made a deal called the Agreed Framework. In this America promised to build NK two light water reactors and supply them with compensating fuel oil. NK agreed to shut down the reactor and the reprocessing facilities, to stop construction on the new, larger reactor and to submit to IAEA inspections.

NK shut down the reactors and all other facilities, stopped construction on the new reactor, and allowed the IAEA full access. The spent fuel rods were canned, monitoring equipment was installed, and the doors were sealed.

Then NK waited......and waited.... The reactors were supposed to be finished in 2002, but a few months before the date Bush ordered that the compensating fuel oil shipments end. Thereby breaking the deal. So NK withdrew from the IAEA, kicked out the inspectors, restarted all the facilites and the reactor, and produced weapons grade Plutonium.

ALL LEGAL.

It was not blackmail. We went to them with a deal and they accepted. They kept their end of the bargain but we DID NOT!

and the non military people will still starve.

Yes, millitary and the leadership eat first but thats the same in any nation. If they starve its because NK is not a good land for agriculture. They have drought followed by floods then bitter cold winters.

They do not starve their people on purpose. But what can you do when there is not enough food for everyone?

and perhaps you forgot the inccident where they held japanese civilians they made disappear for 20+ years for no apparent reason.

I have not forgotten, and there were reasons, but what does that have to do with their nuclear program?

n.korea isnt the downtrodden underdogs they want you to believe they are

I see no evidence that they are not. America is threatening and laying sanctions and so is Japan. What they really want is to be reunited with the south but that can't happen until AMERICA agrees to a peace treaty.

Yes, it is our choice. SK is still occupied. The war never ended!

Didn't they have a limited amount of nuclear material? Perhaps they have finished building what bombs they can and there is no reason to have the nuclear facilities anymore, so they get a nice payday for shutting down a program that they can't keep going anyway.

[edit on 4-10-2007 by LDragonFire]

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Yes, they do now have enough material for several bombs.

And no, the facilities were not at the end of their life. It was still running until a short time ago.

And the new reactor they were building could have made enough material for several bombs each year. For decades to come....

Clinton sent Jimmy Carter right at the time when NK was on the brink.

Originally posted by Malichai

Originally posted by zeroeffect
thats rubbish n.korea are notorious arms dealers

America sells more weapons than any other nation on Earth. NK is not bound by any treaty that limits their arms sales.

they sold the nukes

Do you have a source for that?

and saved whats left to blackmail other countries into supplying foreign aide

I doubt you understand the history of the conflict. I believe that what you call blackmail began in 1992. NK had just finished their first full scale fuel cycle at the reactor and were getting ready to remove the fuel rods and begin processing. Clinton was left with three choices, let it happen, start a war or try to make a deal. So he sent Jimmy Carter to meet with the leadership of NK. And they made a deal called the Agreed Framework. In this America promised to build NK two light water reactors and supply them with compensating fuel oil. NK agreed to shut down the reactor and the reprocessing facilities, to stop construction on the new, larger reactor and to submit to IAEA inspections.

NK shut down the reactors and all other facilities, stopped construction on the new reactor, and allowed the IAEA full access. The spent fuel rods were canned, monitoring equipment was installed, and the doors were sealed.

Then NK waited......and waited.... The reactors were supposed to be finished in 2002, but a few months before the date Bush ordered that the compensating fuel oil shipments end. Thereby breaking the deal. So NK withdrew from the IAEA, kicked out the inspectors, restarted all the facilites and the reactor, and produced weapons grade Plutonium.

ALL LEGAL.

It was not blackmail. We went to them with a deal and they accepted. They kept their end of the bargain but we DID NOT!

and the non military people will still starve.

Yes, millitary and the leadership eat first but thats the same in any nation. If they starve its because NK is not a good land for agriculture. They have drought followed by floods then bitter cold winters.

They do not starve their people on purpose. But what can you do when there is not enough food for everyone?

and perhaps you forgot the inccident where they held japanese civilians they made disappear for 20+ years for no apparent reason.

I have not forgotten, and there were reasons, but what does that have to do with their nuclear program?

n.korea isnt the downtrodden underdogs they want you to believe they are

I see no evidence that they are not. America is threatening and laying sanctions and so is Japan. What they really want is to be reunited with the south but that can't happen until AMERICA agrees to a peace treaty.

Yes, it is our choice. SK is still occupied. The war never ended!

for one i ment they probably sold the nukes thank gor correcting me secondly if you remember history so well it was the beloved clinton administration with the help of jimmy carter that provided the plants in the first place and what did NK do they turned it around to make nuke materials from it and began strongarming countries into providing aide.also please stick to the topc rather then deflecting my comment back to the US on us being arms dealers every country sells arms but NK has no ethics when it comes to selling theirs.www.reuters.com... theres a link for you try to deflect and rationlize that. also NK has proven ties to syria for developing nuke materials and possibly preconstructed delivery devices and Syria has strong ties to Fanatical Terror cells as well as harbouring and training terrorists which here is documentation of that www.timesonline.co.uk...