The Immeasurable Presence of Absence

The "uni-verse" is sempiternal of time and space. It is an immeasurable presence, a.k.a absence.

Absence is eternally present, that is why we speak of such things, it is us and we are the conduits for the consciousness of that which exists.

Absence is an eternal expanse, thus an immeasurable presence. It is not a lack of money or material, it is a lack of limitation. Absence can not be limited, and is not limited. Absence is an interconnected interdependent immeasurable presence of energy.

All things are interconnected. No thing can ever separate its self from every thing because the things are the absence and of the absence/immeasurable presence.

I am a vessel of consciousness for the immeasurable presence of absence, that which I am of and is of me. An absence is not limited and does not separate spaces, it is an immeasurable presence, and space is this immeasurable presence of absence. A limited space of absence can not (exist as a whole to) ever separate or confine the immeasurable presence, that which absence is (the uni-verse). Limited absence is impossible. Absence exists as a/the sempiternal presence; presence exists as the sempiternal absence, and absence and presence are the immeasurable existence, that which existence (the "uni-verse") is. Absence is the interconnected immeasurable presence of energy (the "uni-verse"), thus simultaneously existing as the eternal absence through the definition of absence, that which is an immeasurable presence, and that is why we cycle through and comprehend forgetting and separating ourselves and worshipping immortality, and then cosmically forgive and remember and become omnimortal through the understanding of energy's sempiternity through and of time and its interconnected immeasurable presence through and of space, the former which are the same (dichotomous), and that which we are.

~World Peace and Existential Love~

I think I may need a genetic upgrade in order to understand what you are saying. It all sounds very interesting, but I must admit I have some trouble thinking in this way.

It is okay, and thank you. The essence of eternity can ever be explained if it need be remembered for you.

We genetically upgrade or manipulate our conscious Human selves through thought and physical activity, both that are related and require one another.

Just know that absence can never separate nor be separated, nor is it separated, nor ever was it, nor ever will it be, and nor can it ever.

Absence can not separate two points of presence, because the two points of presence are taken from the immeasurable absence (the uni-verse).

If an absence of "universeal" existence i.e. energy, fabric of space, physical etc. was to ever separate any two points in space, then this absence would be a measurable force, and since measurable, ergo persent.

Absence in a limited form acting as a space of separation is an impossibility. Absence is immeasurable presence as an eternal/never ending/everlasting omnidirectional expanse.

~World Peace and Love for the Spirit of Human and its Kinds~

Man that makes sense....But how baked are you,cuz i goooone...

what you just stated was a poetic version of what the book conversations with god and my posts have been saying for a while now, well done

before the realm of the relative all there was , was god, since god was everything , god was nothing , there were no polarity , so there was only absence, we are have as Gods experience so that we may see our selfs (god from a relative prospective to realise how magnificent we are. if you do not know fear(hate) you cannot know appreciate, recognize love .
Love is the only true state , all others were created as a polarity to love so love could be understood and felt

Damn, some of you are going all native here. Native Americans have understood the basics of this idea all along. We were called savages to think that our Creator left parts of himself in all things, and so all things that are part of creation are part of that which created.

Read up on the holographic Universe and you will see that science is catching on to this idea also.

The point was missed by one poster, obviously.

There is no creator, only eternity. Creator signifies a beginning; beginning there was not.

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Not missed, ignored is the correct term.

While I have no interest in changing what you think, or fail to think, I was simply pointing out the convergence of acceptence of these ideas. I never try to change anyone's ideas as they bear on the personal.

But what you posted is in line with certain accepted ideas among Aboriginal Peoples. I will make no effort to educate you on how or why this should be so, or how the lack of a begining or end has no bearing on the matter.It appears that you are alredy so overflowing with self styled wisdom that there would scarce be room for more without overloading your senses.

Not missed, ignored is the correct term.

Ignorance always succeeds at missing some thing, that is the terminology of the word. You merely chose to miss, thus you choose the word ignore. The sentence former holds substance only if you did truly ignore.

While I have no interest in changing what you think, or fail to think, I was simply pointing out the convergence of acceptence of these ideas. I never try to change anyone's ideas as they bear on the personal.

Thought is eternal; and eternal thought of a transcendent nature, it simultaneously fails to think and succeeds to think in the essence of eternity, that is if we are to construct a theory of logic that deals with the absolutes of failure and success when it comes to thought; duality, dichotomy. Since all is interconnected synchronistically in an interdependent equillibrium of perfection, then the eternity of annexed minds must simultaneously succeed and "fail", as you say. Simply a match between two in this world always rewards a winner and a loser, thus in this very uncomplicated example we simultaneously have success and failure occurring.

But what you posted is in line with certain accepted ideas among Aboriginal Peoples. I will make no effort to educate you on how or why this should be so, or how the lack of a begining or end has no bearing on the matter. It appears that you are already so overflowing with self styled wisdom that there would scarce be room for more without overloading your senses.

Eternity can not be overloaded, it has no limitation. Feel free to share why and how there can be a creator without beginning and end to what is referred to as the "uni-verse".

[edit on 8-10-2007 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

Eternal can be, and therefore must be, if there is infinity, all of all, both good and evil, foolish and wise, every extreme. To be otherwise would be to not be eternal and infinate. So ends must be, as well as beginings, eternal, being and not being. Such is the dichotomy of existance, where observation is the motivator for actions.

Replace Uni-verse with Multi-verse. It works better.

reminds me of lewis carroll, i think it was called jabberwocky its quite abstract, basically instead of typing that actually quite poetic and enjoyable post you could of hit a saucepan with a spoon to express your point and still had the same effect.

i really am begining to enjoy the different people on these boards, nice work

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Stick around, this isn't as deep as it gets, by along shot. Two beers and an illegal substance and some folks can really tickle your mind. NOT that I think the OP is in this group. The OP is sincere, IMO.

Originally posted by NGC2736
Eternal can be, and therefore must be, if there is infinity, all of all, both good and evil, foolish and wise, every extreme. To be otherwise would be to not be eternal and infinate. So ends must be, as well as beginings, eternal, being and not being. Such is the dichotomy of existance, where observation is the motivator for actions.

A beginning and an end is the finite life of our vessel/body, that acts as a conduit for the consciousness. The consciousness is everywhere and everything; eternity. The consciousness is perfection. We are not eternal lives. We do live and we do die, we do experience finality as the animal that is the Human Being. While here we merely act as conduits and receptors. Space and time are eternal, unbounded, with no beginning and no end.

Replace Uni-verse with Multi-verse. It works better.

I think what is more important is our purpose, not a name. Although I do agree that uni-verse is completely misleading when attempting to explain eternity. Eternity will do just fine, any others will limit and cause circular conversation... that is what eternity explains, so why take it away from it?

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Technically however, Space isn't absence, as mathematically it still exists, even though it has no mass it most certainly exists.

complete and total absence, would be lack of EVERYTHING, including space itself.
E.g., if there was a 'before' the big-bang, that would have been absence.

I believe the fault here is not with how space is immeasurable yet measurable at the same time, but with how we, as a race, view what space is.

Perhaps we view it as nothing just because we cannot touch it, but it is most deffinatly an entity that we exist within.

An example of this is a polo.
How can you eat the hole in a polo?
you can't, the hole isn't part of the polo, the polo is just a loop of mint flavored candy, forming a pocket of air in the middle.
you CAN however, eat the pocket of air.

[edit on 4-11-2007 by Chowzor]

Thank you for your input. Space is both absent and present. Absence is not non-existence, as non-existence is a self explanatory axiom.

If we were to try and explain absence, how would we do it? Well you and I are certainly 100% connected through atoms, molecules, energy, thought and the list goes on, because no space of absence could ever exist between us to separate us, because, well, absence is absence (that's definition number one of absence). So what could we define absence as since we can not ever limit it as defined above? Well, it is an immeasurability. It can not be measured; it is absence. What else can not be measured? Eternity. What is energy? Eternal. What are space and time? Energy. Space and time are eternal, thus an immeasurable presence. An omnidirectional immeasurable presence. Eternity is an abyss of presence.(that is definition number 2 of absence)

Absence can never be "complete and total" because absence is not total nor complete, it is immeasurable, infinite. Space is only measurable through differing states of energy, such as matter, density, mass, etc. When all of the energies are annexed we have the immeasurability of space.

There was no big bang, and there was no before. There is no "outside", and there is no "expanse". Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, thus it can not be an "expanding uni-verse".

When I say space I mean everything, planets, you and I, moons, stars, and of course the so called "vacuum" of space, it is eternally energy. We exist of it, not only within in.

[edit on 4-11-2007 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

Originally posted by Chowzor
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An example of this is a polo.
How can you eat the hole in a polo?
you can't, the hole isn't part of the polo, the polo is just a loop of mint flavored candy, forming a pocket of air in the middle.
you CAN however, eat the pocket of air.

I guess then, technically we have eaten the hole and all of its critical defining elements that lead to it decisively being referred to as a hole. I've never eaten a polo by the way. Are they good? And after digesting the air are your intestines introduced to an enormous onslaught of vigorous internally flatuating melodies? That sounds good.

[edit on 4-11-2007 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]