Its official – U.S. missile defense forces nuclear arms race.

I believe the 'boys' have some new toys that are good enough to scare the bejesus out of russia to go as far as threatening Poland and other eu neighbors of implementing them. Just a thought.

The Russian Doomsday Device is referred to as the Dead/Death Hand. It works nothing like this.

There were (and still are) many generations of Doomsday Devices. That’s the point.

Furthermore, as Earth has been hit by asteroids before, which produce far more power than a mere 'nuclear weapon' and managed to survive, something tells me '500 MT' would do nothing. It's subtle, but something tells me.

Soviets and now Russians are still targeting Californian fault lines with nukes, why? So the entire state just slides into the ocean…

In 1815 mount Tambora erupted with the force of 24500 megatons, 500 megaton is child’s play, unless you know where to put one, or a few.

Nicola Tesla did say that one can split the world in two, and something about resonant frequency of 7.8Hz.

Megathrust quakes accruing along tectonic plate boundaries can easily release 500 megatons, like the one in Indian ocean did back in 04.

Is it possible? Well the man that brought electricity to the world (AC) thought so…

Originally posted by iskander
Soviets and now Russians are still targeting Californian fault lines with nukes, why? So the entire state just slides into the ocean…

Is this atually a fact or is this more of your makebelieve ?

Megathrust quakes accruing along tectonic plate boundaries can easily release 500 megatons, like the one in Indian ocean did back in 04.

It released far far more power than that, 500MT was northing compared to that quake.

I doubt they're targeting the fault, as tectonic activity takes forever, and no amount of pushing will hurry it up by any noticeable degree, and, there's better places for the Russians to point their nuclear weapons.

I maintain that the absolute truth of the matter is, that, a 500MT nuclear device, all-though easily created, has never existed.

[For clarification: We all know you can add infinite layers to a layer-cake, more or less.]

Originally posted by Comforter

I know most of the US nuclear warheads are at most 20 megaton multiples. And yes even the two 500’s with bio fungal agent Red Rain will only destroy most of China. It will also rise over all temperature by about 30 to 40 degrees but Moscow and a couple of little spots in the US would survive. It is not a global doomsday. Gees settle down will you? I’m an old man facing a really dangerous surgery and am trying to get the things I really do know out, just in case.

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Okay,
I know very little about biological agents or for that matter nuclear warheads but common sense dictates that using a nuclear detonation as a means of spreading a biological agent would be well, rather stupid.
A lot of effort in the development of these agents goes into simply keeping the agent "alive" long enough to be effective.
The use of a weapon that burns at temperatures of hundreds of thousands of degrees centigrade to spread a "biological" agent would from a common sense point of view seem impossible if not highly improbable. Not to mention the fact there are far more effective ways of delivering biological agents.

In summing this up comforter the whole idea is rather STUPID.

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Originally posted by iskander

Soviets and now Russians are still targeting Californian fault lines with nukes, why? So the entire state just slides into the ocean…

Hmmm Iskander for this comment I'm going to use some of your own Iskanderanese.


OH REALLY IT WOULD BE NICE IF YOU COULD QUOTE ACTUAL FACTS TO BACK UP YOUR RATHER FOOLISH COMMENTS. WHERE DID YOU GET THIS INFORMATiON OR DID YOU JUST MAKE IT UP TO SOUND GOOD?
PERHAPS YOU COULD FURNISH US WITH A LINK TO RUSSIAS NUCLEAR TARGETTING COORDINATES AS FOR YOU TO KNOW THIS YOU MUST HAVE ACCESS TO THEM.

The Cobalt warhead is at K reactor in the US. If you can’t read have someone read my postings to you. As for proof if I had enough proof I would have several public “servants” behind bars where they belong. In particular Ted Kennedy.
Know that the one you are addressing served with Richard Wilson a special agent of Dick Thornburg. We could arrest FBI. Look up the MOVE in Philly, and then look up wind shear in New Orleans and Illinois. Then all those planes cut in half on run ways. Oh that all stopped after the MOVE burned out.
I also spared with Don the Dragon Wilson why don't you have your big brother tell you who that is. That is why I was pulled into protecting children from abductors (If you have read my posts you know what I am saying, do you think I would make up such horror?)

Right. I suppose you're KGB, spetsnaz, SVR, and ex-Panzer driver as well.

I know most of the US nuclear warheads are at most 20 megaton multiples.

The most powerful US warhead ever constructed was the 25-megaton B41. Extremely yield-weight efficiency I might add.

two 500’s with bio fungal agent Red Rain will only destroy most of China. It will also rise over all temperature by about 30 to 40 degrees but Moscow and a couple of little spots in the US would survive. It is not a global doomsday.

Well, blast! If Russia has created an airborne fungal agent that can not only be packed alongside a 500MT warhead in a missile (the missile must contain like 500,000,000,000 tons of fuel....) but can actually survive the 500 megaton blast (because we all know that any fungal agent can survive being blasted with a 5 yottawatt+ output for 30+ nanoseconds, LAWL), well, ARGH. This agent must be INVINCIBLE!

I’m an old man facing a really dangerous surgery and am trying to get the things I really do know out, just in case.

If all you know is that Russia has created a fungal agent that can survive conditions comparable to those deep within the sun and, furthermore, has created a delivery system involving strapping something that weighs more than most strategic bombers AND the agent to a missile that can fly all the way to China, I would be pretty suprised if it's really something you need to get out. Because if what you say is true, WE ARE ALL GUNNA DIE, and it doesn't even matter.

Unfortunately this thread has turned into "Comforter vs the world", but as far as the original topic is concerned:

I agree with what has been posted earlier. This is posturing for the masses to accept an arms race. More money for the military industrial complex. Many people in Russia stand to make heaps of money from a situation like this as well. Just seems like more of the same, it doesn't worry me from a "will the world survive" standpoint. It worries me from a "Why are they trying to bankrupt our country?" standpoint.

Originally posted by iskander
OK then, I’m glad that we're all on the same page.

Who cares about what the guy that made the first hydrogen bomb has to say.

He must be one of those crazy leftist, even though it was actually his job to access ballistic missile threat, as appointed by the Congress.

So if all this is fair and a totally normal state of affairs, then I'm sure nobody here will disagree if Russians decide to build new radar installations and then put their new S-400 and upcoming S-500 sites in Cuba, Venezuela, N. Korea, and so on.

It'll be just politics, right?

Let's see, Poland and Czech are now parts of NATO and subject to decisions of NATO on base deployment (nuclear missile deterrence for instance).

Cuba is part of the Western hemisphere, and thus subject to the US Monroe Doctrine (not taken seriously until 1895 but never questioned since).

So on both cases, you are seriously the dumbest (multiple expletives) ever and simply do not deserve to have an opinion on who has the right to demand what.

you can't even have a normal conversation without calling people names. there is a policy about that. please respect it or be banned.

Originally posted by True_Confederate

Originally posted by iskander
OK then, I’m glad that we're all on the same page.

Who cares about what the guy that made the first hydrogen bomb has to say.

He must be one of those crazy leftist, even though it was actually his job to access ballistic missile threat, as appointed by the Congress.

So if all this is fair and a totally normal state of affairs, then I'm sure nobody here will disagree if Russians decide to build new radar installations and then put their new S-400 and upcoming S-500 sites in Cuba, Venezuela, N. Korea, and so on.

It'll be just politics, right?

Let's see, Poland and Czech are now parts of NATO and subject to decisions of NATO on base deployment (nuclear missile deterrence for instance).

Cuba is part of the Western hemisphere, and thus subject to the US Monroe Doctrine (not taken seriously until 1895 but never questioned since).

So on both cases, you are seriously the dumbest (multiple expletives) ever and simply do not deserve to have an opinion on who has the right to demand what.

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True_Confederate - are you really?

So on both cases, you are seriously the dumbest (multiple expletives) ever and simply do not deserve to have an opinion on who has the right to demand what.

Again, and you really a “true” confederate? You guys are rare these days! A mullet, rusted Ford Bronco, case of Bud, shotgun on the rack, confederate flags and everything? I have to ask, a week ago I’ve seen something like that on the road, and just I busted out laughing!

Ok, well first of all the Russians do not use American made boosters (Saturn’s).
But the boosters they use are the largest ever built. I do have an APP from NASA but have not put it to use since the 80’s.
Just to catch up any one that cares with at least 2004:

cndyorks.gn.apc.org...
www.kremlin.ru...
www.spaceflightnow.com...
www.rferl.org...

Once again beam weaponry such as the THEL is still the best investment from research development to deployment time.
The Russian boosters of nearly four years ago were lifting over 4,500 lb. pay loads into orbit. It is actually a question of the Uranium 235 enrichment level as to weight.
As far as the Red Rain it was tested in Southern Afghanistan but reports were very sketchy.

I have laid out information on this post to the most successful terrorist act prior to 911. It nearly gathered up 230 million dollars back in 1985. I was trying to show our true terrorist history and how much the stakes have increased. I guess none of you have any actually background in that sort of thing. Too bad. Any experienced member of law enforcement should be able to set you people straight, don’t any of you have any contacts at all?
I don’t ask any of you to love me but everything I have written is correct.
I am not a bio-fungal agent or nerve agent expert but I have been in the thick of real espionage and war zones. I’m not making this stuff up and I could use a little help with researching our enemies.

The heat affecting the bio-fungal agent is something I’ve been wandering about also but from what I have gathered this agent is only weakened by water and this is exactly what Russia has put together.

As far as the U2U threat from Mothers Against Mad Scientist that means less to me than a fly turd.

Once again beam weaponry such as the THEL is still the best investment from research development to deployment time.

THEL is a laser. Lasers are great for shooting down primitave projectiles, but it wouldn't be too hard to create projectiles that are almost immune to laser attacks. Particle beams are where it's at when you want to wtfbbqpwn anything.

The Russian boosters of nearly four years ago were lifting over 4,500 lb. pay loads into orbit.

4,500 lb is almost nothing when talking about thermonuclear weapons. The American B41 weighs about 10,670 pounds. With that yield-to-weight ratio (which is the record high for any bomb ever constructed), a 500 megaton bomb would weigh 106.7 tons (213,400 pounds).
Good luck getting a missile to launch that.

As far as the Red Rain it was tested in Southern Afghanistan but reports were very sketchy.

If you're talking about the coloured rain that fell there, that was obviously not a weapons test.

The heat affecting the bio-fungal agent is something I’ve been wandering about also but from what I have gathered this agent is only weakened by water and this is exactly what Russia has put together.

Right, a bio-fungal agent that's completely immune to 5-10 yottawatts of energy blasting for many nanoseconds.
From what I've heard, even resilient agents can barely survive 600 degrees F.

The heat blast or pulse is short lived. A large warhead detonated first then followed with a string of bio-fungal chemical loaded missiles would allow the chemicals to ride the shock waves. Dispersants has been the historical limit of the often used chemical weapons of the Russian arsenal.

After reviewing what is on the net for info on Russian war heads I guess the 500MT heads I heard about from inspectors with our highest security clearances does sound like something from the Wizard of Oz. I will wear my egg mask with pride none the less.

Yes, thank God, yes! particle beam weapons are absolutely the very best answer. Particularly from orbital reactors. This was the discussions the scientists had with my dad during the start of the Apollo program. If we want to shield the US it really needs to be done. Just scary thinking of our politicians being involved with it.

Another remote consideration:
Check out the beam weapon Tesla was testing in Colorado in 1899. Just imagine a larger device that would back feed any thing using “earthing” as the Brits call it for ground. We could all wake up and find nothing that was grounded works!

PS Mad Scientist “love you man, mean it!”

The other possibility is that what I stumbled on about Red Rain was Red Herring, dis-information. In both cases of the release the material was to be stored with nuclear by- product. Perhaps the material I was looking at was simply release of dirty nuclear material. So I wander now what would be used to make that disperse more effectively. What chemical would be in 55 gallon drums that would be stored at such sites that would help pass the radioactive wastes further? Say if it was stored just south of Turkey Point.

The Russians did in fact experiemnt with loading Anthrax agents into ICBM's ( about 400kg a warhead ), for realese at high altitude and at intercontinental ranges. The warheads were never fielded. However they would have been used after a nuclear attack, not during. I don't see how an agent could be delivered so close to anuclear warhead as to be dispersed by the shockwave and not destroyed by the heat. As well the vacuum effect would suck the agent back into the epicenter. We are talking about milliseconds here. A high alitiude release would be much more effective.

If you really want to read some stuff about the Soviet Bioweapons program read a book called " Biohazard " by Ken Alibek. He was one of the senior people involved in te program.

Originally posted by Comforter
The heat blast or pulse is short lived. A large warhead detonated first then followed with a string of bio-fungal chemical loaded missiles would allow the chemicals to ride the shock waves. Dispersants has been the historical limit of the often used chemical weapons of the Russian arsenal.

After reviewing what is on the net for info on Russian war heads I guess the 500MT heads I heard about from inspectors with our highest security clearances does sound like something from the Wizard of Oz. I will wear my egg mask with pride none the less.

Yes, thank God, yes! particle beam weapons are absolutely the very best answer. Particularly from orbital reactors. This was the discussions the scientists had with my dad during the start of the Apollo program. If we want to shield the US it really needs to be done. Just scary thinking of our politicians being involved with it.

Another remote consideration:
Check out the beam weapon Tesla was testing in Colorado in 1899. Just imagine a larger device that would back feed any thing using “earthing” as the Brits call it for ground. We could all wake up and find nothing that was grounded works!

PS Mad Scientist “love you man, mean it!”

Thank you for still not replying to my message, in light of this, I have new questions for you to answer:

i. Heat is one thing, but how does a biological organism survive the massive torrent of radiation? The fact is, life cannot exist in the conditions brought on my a nuclear event. In any way, shape, or form. Furthermore, considering the MIRV'd nature of most nuclear devices, a biological weapon would be pointless.

"You've just annihilated the surrounding twenty miles -- now let's drop biological weapons on the dead mass!"

ii. Regardless of what you say -- 500MT have less power than you claim. They are nowhere near as efficient as you claim. And they have never been built, as you claim.

iii. ORBITAL REACTORS. Do tell? I'm very curious how you could think this works.

iv. Tesla was getting a bit 'awkward', increasingly so after his mid-life. Anything he did in later years has to be taken with a shaker of salt.

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Iblis,
Sorry I missed your earlier questions. It was not intentional.

A lot of my information is from discussions with various high security specialists and other inspectors. Night Shift gets a lot of conversations going even around secured facilities.
I did not design these weapons however the current of air and small particle radioactive fallout would travel a great deal further than the lethal explosive epicenter. So my guess is the plan is to let the bio agents ride the outer air waves. The idea of the then Soviet Union was to take out that rather large population of China with two bombs. They could not find the right bio-agent probably from the same issues we are listing here.

The Red Rain, I was told, can procreate from hair follicles sending little pods air born. It was supposedly designed to do most damage to high density populations. The designers were Russia and the manufacturer was North Korea: www.fas.org...
This is a new improved form of the old Yellow Rain of Vietnam fame.

Orbital Reactors are used by Russia now. The weapon form was part and parcel of the Original High Frontier program. Five of them in mostly Polar Orbit, very difficult to achieve the NASA folks said but doable. They were to be combined with missiles. The plan included placement of particle beam cannons at commercial nuclear facilities. The Stanford study placed our Commercial Nukes at the hardest of the third level targets to take out by missile attack. In fact the University study stated that it would require silo busters to penetrate the containments.
It seems to me the title of the above program was something like Galactica, or Galactica three.

The Stanford study listed the three primary targets in the US as:
1. Nuclear warhead carrying missiles and planes.
2. Airports that can land military transport and large aircraft.
3. Power plants.
Has anyone told you Iblis you sound a litte bit rude? I mean do you really expect to find "secret weapons" on the internet?
www.uic.com.au...
www.animatedsoftware.com...
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flux.aps.org...
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If I may change our course a tad: The law of real estate is location.
The greatest effect would be in preventing the first exchanges.
So an aerial defense over Northern Albania would be first.
Global assistance with protection of Germany would be next.

The US desperately needs to test its present warheads for functionality. There have been numerous modifications since the last tests.
There should be a UN charter and NATO agreement that clean nukes should be used to shut down nations that attempt to use dirty nuclear devices.

However if the US will refuse to use her nuclear arsenal her people should immediately create an alternative arsenal of usable weapons.

One defense program not yet brought up is the use of large dirigibles. Skunk Works has been working on some and the military wanted some that could act as aircraft carriers capable of altitudes of up to 75 to 100,000 feet. Such dirigibles could act as a platform for a mobile missile shield.

Does anyone know what happened to Project Manhole? I think that was the name. It was a thirteen mile deep hole we used to test our warheads in. I am just considering alternatives to Yucca Mountain for nuclear waste storage. If we don't get a defense shield up over northern Canada we will need plenty of storage space.

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