The 7 Deadly Sins and the end of humanity.

7 deadly sins (now considered part of modern life):

Lust - Addicted to sex or pornography
Gluttony - Obese people overeating
Greed - No amount of money is enough
Laziness/ Apathy - Atheist and so-called skeptics
Hate - Rosie O'Donnell
Jealousy - Diaper Astronaut
Pride - Gay pride parade?

We have seen and I doubt anyone would argue that these sins are rare in this world, as a matter of fact, these sins are now deemed as normal part of life. Gays, homosexuality, transgenders, pedophilia, excessive masturbation, hyper-sexuality of double penetration, gang-bangers, the excitement of cheating on your spouse, you name it. It's incredibly explicit, nothing is out of bounds at all, and it's all OKAY if it's consensual.

Incredible,

and along with those 7 deadly sins, it's the devaluation of the 7 virtues: chastity, abstinence, temperance, diligence, patience, kindness, and humility.

And surprisingly, the virtues that are being preached by religion are being scoffed at, while the sins are being celebrated.

If the world comes to and end, you all will know why.

you bring up some good points iv yet to put much thought`into. im a christian and this hits right at home for me. im gonna do alittle research and get back to you on this..

Originally posted by docklands
7 deadly sins (now considered part of modern life):

Lust - Addicted to sex or pornography
Gluttony - Obese people overeating
Greed - No amount of money is enough
Laziness/ Apathy - Atheist and so-called skeptics
Hate - Rosie O'Donnell
Jealousy - Diaper Astronaut
Pride - Gay pride parade?

We have seen and I doubt anyone would argue that these sins are rare in this world, as a matter of fact, these sins are now deemed as normal part of life. Gays, homosexuality, transgenders, pedophilia, excessive masturbation, hyper-sexuality of double penetration, gang-bangers, the excitement of cheating on your spouse, you name it. It's incredibly explicit, nothing is out of bounds at all, and it's all OKAY if it's consensual.

Incredible,

and along with those 7 deadly sins, it's the devaluation of the 7 virtues: chastity, abstinence, temperance, diligence, patience, kindness, and humility.

And surprisingly, the virtues that are being preached by religion are being scoffed at, while the sins are being celebrated.

If the world comes to and end, you all will know why.

I had never realized how far we have gone from the teachings of the bible shamed to say i have committed some of the sins on daily basis.

Just my take on it. I agree the more sin in the world does point to end times, but who knows when that is.

Personally I think all sin is the same, and all have sinned and came short of the glory of God, hence the need for Jesus.

A person who tells one lie is equally guilty in God's eyes as one who does all of the above, but he will lead us to sin less and less as we follow his teachings. So although we all sin, we each have our own path of learning his ways and his love.

It's unfortunate that you bring up homosexuality as being a sin, as that's exactly what those who are committing the true sins want you to focus on. The greedy are ruling this society, and are sinning far worse than any gay man ever will, yet the gay's are being persecuted while the greedy are overlooked.

I don't think I really need to listen to someone from 2000 years ago telling me not to do something with a threat of "Don't do it or you'll burn in Hell!" This just isn't enough for me. And, if there even is a god, I think that within our modern society of how in just the past fifty years, so many things that were taboo are now an acceptabe daily matter. The mystical, magical, invisible man that lives in the clouds would have ended life on earth as soon as things were commited. Why would you give someone the chance to continue "sinning" on a daily basis if you had the control to kill them at any time. There are murderers still walking the streets today (O.J.), and why is that? Because there is either no god at all, or there is a god that just isn't as powerful as everybody thinks. I'll give you a hint which one I believe...ATHEIST!! And if you are a real Christian, you won't hate me for my beliefs, 'cause that's a sin!

Originally posted by supervortex2004
I don't think I really need to listen to someone from 2000 years ago telling me not to do something with a threat of "Don't do it or you'll burn in Hell!" This just isn't enough for me. And, if there even is a god, I think that within our modern society of how in just the past fifty years, so many things that were taboo are now an acceptabe daily matter. The mystical, magical, invisible man that lives in the clouds would have ended life on earth as soon as things were commited. Why would you give someone the chance to continue "sinning" on a daily basis if you had the control to kill them at any time. There are murderers still walking the streets today (O.J.), and why is that? Because there is either no god at all, or there is a god that just isn't as powerful as everybody thinks. I'll give you a hint which one I believe...ATHEIST!! And if you are a real Christian, you won't hate me for my beliefs, 'cause that's a sin!

Why would God do anything about the injustice on our plane of existence, when we don't do anything ourselves? we have opportunities to stand up against injustice, to exercise our free will and to do the right thing, and yet most of us do not.

Originally posted by docklands
Lust - Addicted to sex or pornography

Well, as it's one of the most basic instincts of animals to seek sexual stimulation, can you really blame humanity?

Originally posted by docklands
Gluttony - Obese people overeating

Apparently in some cases its genetics.
But genes only exist if they fit into your religious view, don't they?

Originally posted by docklands
Greed - No amount of money is enough

Especially with religion.

Originally posted by docklands
Laziness/ Apathy - Atheist and so-called skeptics

So it's because I'm not arrogant enough to presume I can judge whether god/s exist/don't exist I'm 'lazy'?
I'm sorry, it's just I never got into the whole 'Shut up:You don't know God/Allah/the FSM. Only I and I alone know God/Allah/the FSM's will. Disagree with me, and you're wrong. End of story'.
And what do you mean by 'so-called skeptics'? Does this category include anyone you disagree with?

Originally posted by docklands
Hate - Rosie O'Donnell

So people are 'incarnations' of sin?
Interesting theory?

Originally posted by docklands
Jealousy - Diaper Astronaut

As above.

Originally posted by docklands
Pride - Gay pride parade?

Hey, if you don't like it, you don't have to watch.
No one's forcing you.

Originally posted by docklands
If the world comes to and end, you all will know why.

Until God decides to cleanse the Earth of 'undesiribles', I'll keep you posted.


[edit on 28-9-2007 by Chaoticar]

Originally posted by supervortex2004
I don't think I really need to listen to someone from 2000 years ago telling me not to do something with a threat of "Don't do it or you'll burn in Hell!" This just isn't enough for me.

I'll give you a hint which one I believe...ATHEIST!! And if you are a real Christian, you won't hate me for my beliefs, 'cause that's a sin!

Yes my friend, God Bless and you have my love, as you have the love of Christ, for he loves all of us, and is the example we aspire to.

He does not condemn us to hell, we do that quite well on our own, he saves us from it. He offers his hand, his love, to keep us from Hell, simply put, seperation from God.

Imagine a place where all people are without sin, no greed no hate. One bad apple ruins the whole thing, so he teaches us love, and removes the sin that we used to crave. We do not worship because we have to, we worship because we love the lessons and gifts of his love.

Imagine a place where your own mind creates your reality, if you still have fear and anger, that is what creates your existance, it spins deeper and deeper into the abyss, but the love of Jesus Christ teaches us to cast away those things so we can soar higher and higher in his love.

God Bless you, may all things come to pass with great love in your future.

[edit on 28-9-2007 by Redge777]

Originally posted by docklands
If the world comes to and end, you all will know why.

Yep, because some lunatic who wants to quote things from a 2000+ year old book will deem us all unworthy and, because of his/her delusion, do something stupid that kills us all.

To quote those brave, horny men from Sodom, when talking about the duo of "angels" that are called God:

"Bring those men out here, we're gonna f**k 'em."

If God is so bothered, he can stop having tea and hob nobs with the modern-day version of Abraham and get out there and nuke the bastards. If he doesn't, I call shenanigans on the whole issue of religion!

I think (and this is just ME, mind you) that all negative actions (aka sin) can be summed up in one word:

Selfishness

Defined as: Concerned chiefly or only with oneself

The bottom line on all behaviors AND attitudes that negatively impact our own lives, as well as friends, family, and associates around us - and even strangers across the globe, are because we put ourselves first before anyone else. Even much that appears to be 'good' on the surface is rooted in the 'all about me' idea that is indigenous to human nature.

Even those of us who aren't blatantly or consciously selfish are still, more often than not, totally self-oriented; that is, unable to see beyond our own singular perspective and reluctant to sincerely put ourselves 'in another's shoes.'

• Extravagance - Immoderate expense or display
  
• Gluttony - Excess in eating or drinking
  
• Greed - A desire to acquire or possess more than what one needs or deserves
  
• Slothfulness - Disinclined to work or exertion
  
• Wrath - Forceful, often vindictive anger (punishment or vengeance as a manifestation of anger)
  
• Envy - To feel resentful or painful desire for another's advantages or possessions
  
• Vanity - Excessive pride in one's appearance or accomplishments
  

Wiki says:

The seven deadly sins, also known as the capital vices or cardinal sins, are a classification of vices that were originally used in early Christian teachings to educate and instruct followers concerning (immoral) fallen man's tendency to sin. The Roman Catholic Church divided sin into two principal categories: "venial", which are relatively minor, and could be forgiven through any sacrament of the Church, and the more severe "capital" or "mortal" sins, which, when committed, destroyed the life of grace, and created the threat of eternal damnation unless either absolved through the sacrament of confession, or otherwise forgiven through perfect contrition on the part of the penitent.

It appears they were officially declared by Pope Gregory the Great in the 6th Century AD, but no doubt it was Dante which made them 'household words', as it were.

Which really doesn't guarantee anything, at all, in regard to what GOD might have to say about it - this isn't a biblical doctrine but rather of men.

Mark 7:
~6 And he said, Well did Isaiah say of you, you false ones: These people give me honour with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
~7 But their worship is to no purpose, while they give as their teaching the rules of men.
~8 For, turning away from the law of God, you keep the rules of men.
~9 And he said to them, Truly you put on one side the law of God, so that you may keep the rules which have been handed down to you.

To believe in Christ is to believe what he said - he said that to love GOD completely and to love one's neighbor as one loves one's self IS the sum of the law. And this wasn't new nor was it modified or revised:

Do not make attempts to get equal with one who has done you wrong, or keep hard feelings against the children of your people, but have love for your neighbor as for yourself: I am the Lord.
~Leviticus 19:18

It seems to me that Jesus was only trying to simplify it for us, since obviously we (humanity) are still more selfish than serving...and so the Vatican irresistible tendency to complicate the situation in the name of GOD is no different than the religious arena in the days of Herod Antipas in Roman-ruled Palestine - a pharisee by any other name is still a pharisee!

Titus 1:
~10 For there are men who are not ruled by law; foolish talkers, false teachers, specially those of the circumcision,
~11 By whom some families have been completely overturned; who take money for teaching things which are not right; these will have to be stopped.
~12 One of their prophets has said, The men of Crete are ever false, evil beasts, lovers of food, hating work.
~13 This witness is true. So say sharp words to them so that they may come to the right faith,
~14 Giving no attention to the fictions of the Jews and the rules of men who have no true knowledge.
~15 To the clean in heart all things are clean: but to those who are unclean and without faith nothing is clean; they become unclean in mind and in thought.
~16 They say that they have knowledge of God, while by their acts they are turning their backs on him; they are hated by all, hard-hearted, and judged to be without value for any good work.

Granted, Paul wrote this with the Pharisees/Jews in mind and therefore referenced accordingly. BUT substitute 'cloth' for 'circumcision' and 'Christian church' for 'Jews' and even 'peacemakers' for 'men of Crete' (since it is popular Christian mythology that the so-called 'anti-christ' will be a peacemaker) and it becomes simply a case of 'only the names have been changed to protect the guilty.'

The only so-called 'deadly' sin that the bible evidently describes is that of 'blaspheming the holy spirit.' An act that I used to believe was simply scorning truth - which hasn't changed although my understanding has deepened considerably. What I now feel it means is the scorning of the idea that we are ALL connected, on the unseen level - soul and spirit - and so selfishness is the ultimate denial of that foundational 'truth' - perhaps being the only legitimate truth we all share
Therefore, it is only deadly because, until it is realized, one's own ego maintains separation as an illusion and this carries over on the 'other side.'

Last, but not least, this world isn't going to be destroyed - this AGE will end and only the negative energies it is currently bound by will be destroyed.

For this is the word of the Lord who made the heavens; he is God; the maker and designer of the earth; who made it not to be a waste, but as a living-place for man: I am the Lord, and there is no other.
~Isaiah 45:18

But of course, 'goodwill to all men' isn't a profitable religious message because liberation from fear and anxiety will inevitably decrease revenue for the church...and churches are just as selfish, generally speaking, as individuals - besides the fact that they are economic entities complete with tax exempt status...and it is definitely a consumer's market!

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Im impressed at how well-structured and referenced many of your posts are. You might consider investing your talent in writing books (if you are not already doing that).

Nevertheless I will disagree on your statement that selfishness in the definition of "being first and foremost concerned with oneself" is the greatest sin or the root of all evil.

I will even go so far as to say that the non-selfishness is the root of all evil.

But before other posters declare me insane let me re-define what I mean by selfishness:

"Looking after oneself before looking after others".

"Improving oneself before attempting to improve others"

I am sitting in an airplane and the stewardess says: "Put on your own oxygen mask before helping others to do so"

Why is she saying this? She is saying it because if I am not selfish enough to look at putting on my own breathing mask, i will not be able to help others in any efficient way.

This goes in the same lines as "If you wanna make the world a better place, look at your self and make that change"

Having cleaned up my own act, having taken care of my own business, having looked after myself, I can then set a good example for others.

Problems arise when I start trying to take care of others before taking care of myself. When I give money to someone who begs for it, I am making this person weaker because I am placing no trust in the persons ability to make money for himself. When I try to convert others ("help them"), I am imposing my values on them. This is the cause of war. When I am trying to change my spouse instead of loving her as she is, I am causing problems which she will rebell against.

Admittetly I changed the definition of "selfishness" a bit, but I would like to make that discernment. Thanks for considering.

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So you think all of the talk about being good, restraining one's desires are a useless endeavour? Just do as you please as long as it feels good? No consequences?

If your daughter decides to be a porn star and have gang-bang sex all day long for money it's okay since she is an adult and it pays her bills? If you and your wife decides to swing with thy neighbors it's cool as long as it's all in good fun?
No one is hurt?

What is your definition of good and evil?

You think evil is an entity with pitchfork and horned tail? You think evil will manifest in such clarity? What is evil deed?

No, evil, my fellow earthling, is in the business of confusing you. Of blurring the line between what's good and bad.

The flesh is weak, and we indulge so excessively. Why do I care? Because I have been there, addicted to the flesh and it's pleasures without any regards for my firends and love ones. 6 years of doing above and beyond what the porn stars do, I lost nearly everything and everyone, all except one person who stuck by me, and taught me the virtue of being a spiritual person.

And looking back, I see how I was so tortured by my own desires and body. My sex drives was insatiable, even when I was having crazy sex I fantasize about having even crazier sex. Nothing is enough, I keep looking for better sex, with different woman, seeking to satisfy, and it never enough, at home after an exhasutive "session" with a new girl, I would pleasure myself to no end. I was in hell and now I truly believe I was possessed.

What is the current limit on sex? NONE. Everything is fair game. As long as you do it in private no one will give a rats ass. It's okay to love sex, it's part of us, it's built in to us, sex is there so that we can continue humanity as God intended.

But then there comes a race of people which entire purpose is to have sex. Gays, homosexuals, transgender are using sex only as pleasures, it does not have any other higher purpose, it's a lustful existence and it degrades humanity, no offense. The preoccupation with sex and sexuality, that's a really low form of existence.

If you look at Bosch's painting "Garden of Delight" you wil see, we are there. I can see it all so clearly, Bosch is a GENIUS.

Humanity is in decline because we refuse to see higher purpose beyond the flesh and the physical.

We deny sprituality since we can't proof it, we don't want to understand it, we reject it as stupidity and waste of time. Science and the solo obsession with science is leading us down a very confusing path and so far, nothing science taught us is remotely life changing. We still pretty much the same 1000 years ago. We have not progress in morality and spirituality, we still commit the same crime, same sins, same pitfalls. Science did not and have not teach us anything about being better human beyond telling you to eat some more veggies and drive less.

There are two sides of human, one of flesh and one of spirit, now, our spiritual sides are leaving us, we are further than ever from evolving into a being detached from the flesh.

Look at your body, it's really grotesque, how about your inside organs? If you ever look at a surgery in progress, you will see our inside is a freaking MESS.

Yeah, a MESS. No one in the right mind will say our innards are beautiful, it functions well, but that's about it.

The physical is weak, and we are entwined deeper in it than ever.

Originally posted by docklands
But then there comes a race of people which entire purpose is to have sex. Gays, homosexuals, transgender are using sex only as pleasures, it does not have any other higher purpose, it's a lustful existence and it degrades humanity, no offense. The preoccupation with sex and sexuality, that's a really low form of existence.

But....

You're American right? You guys love the gays, homosexuals and transgender folk. You must, really, because some of you are trying to use it as an excuse to drop weapons on Iran

Iran does far worse than ignore gays

Judging by the tone of your post, what they are doing is fine and dandy, and is the work of God, but wait....they're muslims....and maybe that doesn't add up....

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But....

You're American right? You guys love the gays, homosexuals and transgender folk. You must, really, because some of you are trying to use it as an excuse to drop weapons on Iran

Iran does far worse than ignore gays

Judging by the tone of your post, what they are doing is fine and dandy, and is the work of God, but wait....they're muslims....and maybe that doesn't add up....

God said to love everyone, so who are we to judge homosexuality?
If it is a sin then let God judge those people and not anyone else.

How come those who are not Christians judge Christian to be these "pushy force my religion" kind of people? No one in here is trying to convert. This is simply our belief and you can take it or not. Even Christians don't always believe what another Christian does. We read the bible and pray about it, if it feels right in our hearts, we try and make it apart of our lives.

Hmm, yeah.. another gay basher.. maybe you should add bigotry to the list, and place your picture next to it. Why do you think gays are bringing about the end of the world? Is sex really that powerful? Are you really that afraid of it? Its kinda silly, no?

Im a proud gay man, and contribute much to society. I cant say the same about a bigot that sits around writing ridiculous posts (that part would be you).

So Docklands. You can say you never succumb to any of the sins?

I'm glad you had such a "crazy, sexy time with women, above and beyond what porn stars do" Now, if you've seen the films I have, I'm amazed, a little disgusted but mainly jealous.

So now you have realised the error of your ways and can help us all reform? ....Thanks.

Who exactly is attacking the virtues? Even without religion they are the cornerstone of civilized behaviour and are practiced regularly by most people and enforced by most societies.

Chastity and Abstinenance are a little different. Being human and godless, to practise those would just make me more Lustful and Envious, catch 22 for your average heretic huh?.

I feel the sins weekly, as does everyone. If you don't then you are wasting your life.

If you embrace religion.... cool, more power to you, but to impose your beliefs on people and condemn large sections of largely virtuose people is succumbing to at least 2 of the sins. Peace brother, love thy neighbour etc etc.

PS I agree Bosch makes genius power tools.


[edit on 28-9-2007 by myowncrusade]

Originally posted by queenannie38


Defined as: Concerned chiefly or only with oneself

The bottom line on all behaviors AND attitudes that negatively impact our own lives, as well as friends, family, and associates around us - and even strangers across the globe, are because we put ourselves first before anyone else. Even much that appears to be 'good' on the surface is rooted in the 'all about me' idea that is indigenous to human nature.

Even those of us who aren't blatantly or consciously selfish are still, more often than not, totally self-oriented; that is, unable to see beyond our own singular perspective and reluctant to sincerely put ourselves 'in another's shoes.'

Wise words indeed. I always thought of myself in the past as selfless. Recently I have been taught more lessons then I have learned in a lifetime about myself.

Its hard to look at.

The man I used to see in the mirror is a stranger to me now days when I look.

No matter who you are or what you have done in the past, this life will find a ways to test you. I have been taught I am very selfish. Still able to have great empathy, but very selfish.

Sorry pip