Cash Seized For Speeding

Cash Seized For Speeding

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Merrill says the driver consented to a search of his car. In the trunk, the trooper located two suit cases. One suitcase was found to contain $279,640 in U.S. currency. The driver, claiming to have won the money at 23 different casinos in Nevada, California and Washington stated he did not keep any of the receipts to verify the source of the income.

The money was confiscated for further investigation.

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Don't act shifty carrying large amounts of cash in Washington State if you get pulled-over for speeding. The cops will assume the cash is connected to a crime seize it for "investigation'".

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Yeah...

Right... $279k in casino winnings and not one W-2G to show for it?

www.bankrate.com...

Anyone who has hit it big once knows the pain... Errr... Thrill of winning. Maybe their next story will be better.

Well, it depends. It they won 250k in one lump sum, sure they'd have to document it. But if they spent a few weeks out there winning less than 10k each time, its possible... but not likely.

Carrying anything over the excess of $10,000 is enough to raise suspicion for a search by an officer. It is grounds for suspicion that the person is linked to drug trafficking.

Bush has made it into law now that anyone withdrawing $10,000 in cash from the bank must declare what the money is intended for and where it came from.

Plus there's always been the IRS regulation that deposits over $10,000 must be declared. You can still get around it by doing a wire transfer though...

What idiot allegedly wins a quarter mil at the casinos and then drives around with the cash in their trunk? I'd have wired that puppy out of the country.

Do casinos even give you cash? I've never gambled at a casino (and never desire to) so I don't know how they work.

Maybe he was trying to get home after winning all of that.

But again, he could've been drug dealing or anything other than winning in casinos. Perhaps money-for-murder?

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Here's more on the tax side of gambling:

www.casinogaming.com...

Oh yeah, they pay in cash, but they are better at taking it.

What is the matter with people? EVERY case you hear about where some poor citizen is robbed at gunpoint by some cop is due to the driver GIVING CONSENT to a search.

NEVER EVER give any cop consent to search. That is the rule. It does not matter if the cop lies and blusters and threatens, just refuse to give consent. Most of the time, the cops will follow the law and let you go; it is a bluff anyway, a fisihing expedition, they ask everyone and most suckers are too afraid to say NO and so they lose their property.

The assumption that we cannot carry as much cash as we like and that we have to prove to some dumb flatfoot cop where we get ours is a sick and awful commentary on America. Shame on us for letting these courts and politicians make us slaves who have to account for our money to them. Makes me want to act socially irresponsible towards authority.

I would NEVER allow some cop to search me without a warrant; just say NO. I refuse to give any consent. The cops CANNOT legally make you wait around, if it takes longer than a normal ticket would take then it's too long and inadmissible. They CANNOT make you wait whjile they ' get a warrant '; that is a TOTAL BLUFF..they have no probable cause for a warrant, and they know it..its all part of their lying and sick game they play while taking our tax money for their pay...sick.

Now this poor guy will have to get an attorney and fight to get his money back, it will cost him bigtime, and all because he didn't have the guts to JUST SAY NO TO SEARCHES. Lesson learned for him, hopefully.

Originally posted by apc
What idiot allegedly wins a quarter mil at the casinos and then drives around with the cash in their trunk? I'd have wired that puppy out of the country.

I know... that's almost as crazy as consenting to a search...

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Ug... thanks for reminding me why I hate tax law.

But that does make it pretty clear this guy should have no problem proving the money was his winnings if true.

Originally posted by eyewitness86
What is the matter with people? EVERY case you hear about where some poor citizen is robbed at gunpoint by some cop is due to the driver GIVING CONSENT to a search.

NEVER EVER give any cop consent to search. That is the rule. It does not matter if the cop lies and blusters and threatens, just refuse to give consent. Most of the time, the cops will follow the law and let you go; it is a bluff anyway, a fisihing expedition, they ask everyone and most suckers are too afraid to say NO and so they lose their property.

The assumption that we cannot carry as much cash as we like and that we have to prove to some dumb flatfoot cop where we get ours is a sick and awful commentary on America. Shame on us for letting these courts and politicians make us slaves who have to account for our money to them. Makes me want to act socially irresponsible towards authority.

I would NEVER allow some cop to search me without a warrant; just say NO. I refuse to give any consent. The cops CANNOT legally make you wait around, if it takes longer than a normal ticket would take then it's too long and inadmissible. They CANNOT make you wait whjile they ' get a warrant '; that is a TOTAL BLUFF..they have no probable cause for a warrant, and they know it..its all part of their lying and sick game they play while taking our tax money for their pay...sick.

Now this poor guy will have to get an attorney and fight to get his money back, it will cost him bigtime, and all because he didn't have the guts to JUST SAY NO TO SEARCHES. Lesson learned for him, hopefully.

FYI: From personal experience. If you are stopped on an interstate or relatively large city highway, when you refuse to allow a search, they will usually have you wait for the dogs to come a sniff around the vehicle. 7 times out of 10 (my %) they will say the dog is giving a positive and they will either demand to search the vehicle there or haul you down to the station and do it there. When they find nothing, they may apologize for holding you up for the false positive while your picking up your possessions that are strewn about on the road side.
Depending on the state, if you agree to a road side search, they can only look in the passenger compartment, not the trunk, or glovebox if it is locked.
In general though, it's true, these days, you never want to talk to the cops. If they stop you, be polite, ID yourself, ask them to state their biz and try to keep it moving.

This happens on the I-10 corridor all of the time. Back in the mid-nineties there was a citizen relocating from California to Florida. She was stopped in Calcasieu Parish, LA for no reason other than her CA plates. I-10 has a notorious reputation for being a "drug-running" or "mule" highway. The officer asked to search her car and, having nothing to hide she complied. She had all of her belongings and just over $10,000 in her very old car. The car and the cash were seized due to suspision of drug-related income and assets. She was never charged with any crime and she never got her cash back. How do I know? Worked in State of LA criminal (in)justice system.

Originally posted by apc
Plus there's always been the IRS regulation that deposits over $10,000 must be declared. You can still get around it by doing a wire transfer though...

Not sure which ones you're talking about but the services such as Western union all go thru HLS. One day at a Walmart returning something ('warranty') I noticed a huge Homeland Security binder behind the counter and just had to ask what it was for: She said that HLS is deeply involved in the wire transfer scheme now.

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Thank god, they're finally doing something about the terrorists!

MANTIC: You are WRONG..They CANNOT ' haul you to the station ', that is a false arrest. You CANNOT be taken anywhere by a cop, unless you are under arrest for probable cause. Advice like yours is dangerous and WRONG.

Sure, crooked cops can make you wait, IF you are a fool and sit there waiting with them!! If a cop is writing you a ticket, they can make you wait as long as a NORMAL ticket would take, no more, or the search is illegal, and all fruits from that search are therefore excluded. Cops DO NOT have any rights to make you wait around; just keep asking if you are free to leave. Keep track of the time; cops know that if they croos the line they lose; most citizens simply do not know their rights.

Cops CANNOT use your refusal to consent to a search as probable cause for any further actions. No way. Here is the way it works: If a cop asks for your consent to search and you say NO, they have a choice: Either let you go or write a ticket. If they start the ' wait for a dog ' crap, the clock is ticking. If the wait takes longer than a normal ticket would take to write, then your rights have been abused and any evidence siezed will be excluded. You CANNOT be made to wait around all day for some dog.

Lets say a dog does arrive very shortly afterward, and the handler is a criminal and liar like most cops are, and says that the dog alerted. If in fact nothing is found after that, then you have good cause for a lawsuit against the cops for violating your civil rights. Obviously if nothing was found then the alert the dog made was likley faked by the handler, and your continued detention on the side of the road is illegal.

In ANY CASE, the best thing to do ALWAYS is refuse consent; even if you DO have contraband in your car, better to let your attorney have some ability to challenge the search in court; if you give consent, you will LOSE any later attempt to show that the search was improper. So NEVER give consent, never.

The worst that can happen is that you will end up charged, but will have the law on your side at least as far as a search goes; if you give the cops consent, you have lost. Cops,. once again, CANNOT haul you anywhere just because you do not give consent. Why do so many people believe that cops can just grab citizens and their vehicles and transport them around town just because you do not give consent? It is NOT TRUE!!

If a cop takes you into custody, which is what happens when you are no longer free to leave the scene, then you are under arrest and should remain totally silent until your attorney arrives. You CANNOT be taken to some ' station ' and later released, that would ba a false arrest. You have the RIGHT to remain free unless probable cause exists that shows you have committed a crime. No probable cause, no legal arrest. No probable cause can be inferred from one's refusal to give consent. Your refusal CANNOT be used against you. Your refusal CANNOT be seen as suspicious by a cop and used to get probable cause, no way.

It is a GAME, a BLUFFING game, like poker, and unless you are a player, you will get blufeed by the cops; they play it all day, lying and cheating and bending the rules, but the deck is the same one used everywherte and the cops cannot change the game. Just learn how to play it.

So, in summary: You CANNOT be taken away from the scene unless you are under arrest. You CANNOT be hauled to some police station for them to search your car; either they search it legally or they search it illegally or they do not search at all. Most of the time, if you say NO, I do NOT give consent to search, the cops will back off.They KNOW that consent is their biggest trick in their book to use, and you must not play along.

Do NOT listen to what the cops say: They will ask you WHY you will not give consent, ignore them. They will bluster and try and intimidate, but it is all bluff. Let them KNOW that you are fully aware of your rights and will NOT be bullied into giving them up. Answer NO questions whatsoever, just give your ID and remain silent. That is the best way of all. It tells the cops that if they make a mistake with you, they will pay for it. Cops have too many easy busts out there from stupid and weak people who do not know their rights, they do not want scrutiny and trouble in court and lawsuits so they tend to back off when they run into a citizen who knows the score and cannot be intimidated.

Never ever give consent, no matter what they say. Stand firm. ALL attorneys advise this, all. I have NEVER met an attorney who advised a client to either give consent or talk to the cops and answer any questions. No attorney would ever suggest such a thing. They always advise being quiet, refusing consent, and writing down all details, the TIME stopped, the names of the cops, HOW LONG you were told to wait after a dog was called. How long it took for the dog to arrive. Watch the handler closely and make notes of any words, gestures, sounds, etc. that the handler makes. This is critically important for later.

If a cop tells you that you are NOT free to leave, then consider yourself under arrest for all practical purposes and of course say NOTHING at all. Answer NO questions. Cops CANNOT charge you with ' interfering ' or any other nonsense for remianing silent, although they will LIE and suggest this, as seen in the video of the kid with the scum cop in St. Louis. The cop there threatened to arrest the kid for ' not following orders ', and it was a lie. Orders from a cop must be LAWFUL, and there are very few LAWFUL orders they can give. Cops do NOT have the right to simply give orders and we have to obey, no way. Only lawful orders, and they only pertain to custody or safety, NOT giving up Constitutional rights.

Cops are horrible liars and scum for the most part, and they HATE the Constitution and the rights we have ; it stops them from being all powerfull and able to dominate us totally. So realize that cops are the enemy, the bad guys, the one's who want to ruin your life and destroy your Constitution, and see them for what they are. You owe them NOTHING! You do NOT have to answer ANY questions at all, none. Just give ID and wait and refuse to give consent, and either they will let you go or they will violate you and then at least you have cause for a suit against them. Any other way is nuts.

You have to train yourself to be strong and tough and not be bullied by the cops; Just say NO to the cops.

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Bank-to-bank, not non-banking services like Western Union.

Although I don't know if Homeland Security has been looking into them... seems like it'd be a huge waste of time and money. But that's what the government is good at so it wouldn't really surprise me.

Something else that the average citizen does not realize is that cops have free reign to lie right to your face to get you to comply. Several years ago, I was pulled over for having a headlight out. The cop decided he wanted to search my car. He asked me several times and I refused. After a lengthy argument, he gave me an ultimatum. Either consent to a search or I'm going to have your car towed to the inpound lot right now and you can worry about getting it out and finding a way home (I was working out of state at the time and around 50 miles from my house). Thinking that he was being honest, I consented to the search so that I could get home at a reasonable time. I was forced to put my hands on the hood of the running police car while he throughly searched my car. The hood was hot, so after awhile I took my hands off and sat on the curb shivering in the 40 degree weather in my t-shirt. The guy I was with saw my condition and asked the officer for my jacket while he searched, so at least I ended up being warm.

Long story short. My trip home was delayed about an hour, my car was in disarray...and all because the officer lied to me. I highly doubt he could've impounded my car for a broken headlight with no previous warnings. But, when an officer explains it to you that way and you really don't know your rights...it made sense. KNOW YOUR RIGHTS!!

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I agree totally.

In my state the police needs to have probable cause in order to search a vehicle and that probable cause need to be proven with a warrant.

I think that many people think that once you got caught for something like speeding you automatically loose you right for everything else. That's not the case.

I would never give away my rights, even if I don't have anything to hide, IMO that will just keep feeding those that would like us to have as less rights as possible.

Lets say in the case above that the cop actually DID tow your car over a headlight; it is HIGHLY unlikley, he was bluffing as usual, but lets say he did. If you had any contraband in the trunk, locked in a briefcase, as all attorneys advise you do when cayying, then the cop still would have to get a warrant to open the briefcase, and no judge would give him one without probable cause that something illegal was in there.

Cops in SOME states cannot by law impound a car over petty things like a lightbulb being out. They are required to either issue a ticket or go away. But in other states, there are laws that specifically allow a cop to tow a vehicle they consider ' unsafe ' and it would be up to you later to hash it out in court as to the actual validity of the towing. But as far as searches go, you should NEVER give in and allow a search, never.

Had you stood your ground, the cop KNEW that he would be seen as impounding your car as a ruse to search it later, any evidence found later would be excluded and the charges dismissed, at which point you can SUE the cop for any violations. but MOST cops desperately want CONSENT, as it solves ALL of their problems later when an attorney starts picking apart what they did and what their MOTIVATIONS were.

If a cop cannot get consent for a loghtbulb, and then impounds the car after repeated requests to search by consent, any judge will see the truth: That the cop just would not take NO for an answer and decided to violate your rights to go on a fishing expedition in your car.Cops do this ALL THE TIME. It is ROUTINE to them. Ask for consent hpoing that the citizen is afarid or uneducated as to their rights, then when you say NO, they start the repeated requests for CONSENT..which they want badly. If you do NOT give it to them, then they are forced to either violate your rights, or make it plain and clear to anyone reviewing the case later tha the entire reason for the im pounding was to effect an illegal search based on nothing but a mere suspicion, a suspicion based only on your adherence to your rights.

Cops will do almost anything to get consent, like I said before: Lying, bluffing, threatening, etc. But always stand firm and force them to violate the law and your rights if they insist on doing so; never ever give in no matter if you are clean or not, make it as tough on those lying dogs as possible to do you wrong.They lie as part of their normal routine;cops are habitual and craven liars and do so without shame. They will tell you all kinds of crap, but if you stand strong, and keep refusing, they will have to choose between placing themselves in jeopardy legally and civilly or letting you go. MOST will back down when they run into a person that KNOWS their rights and refuses to back down to them.

Cops may be corrupt and sickening liars, but they are not so stupid that they want trouble, and thats what they get when they cross the line with a citizen who stays calm, silent, and demands their rights. try it sometime, it has never failed for me. I back down cops quite often by letting them know that I really do want them to screw up with me so I can sue them personally in Federal court. Not many cops will want to play into your hands if they think that they will likley be called on the carpet for every action they take against you, so let them know that whatever they do on the street will be seen and talked about by the attorneys, newspapers and Tv, and their bosses.

Stand up to them, they are bullies and bluffers and when you call their bluff they fade away like they should. Just never give in and never listen to their lies..IGNORE what cops say!! They lie!! All the time!! Ignore them and remain silent and never give consent, no matter what. It NEVER helps your cae in any way. Cooperating to a cop means giving up all your precious Constitutional rights and bending over for them..forget it.

Copsneed to learn that we are not all suckers and willing to give in. Take a stand and watch them back off!!