Anti-Atheist Conspiracy?

A thread on BTS was just started that proves my point in this thread.

www.belowtopsecret.com...

In that thread the atheists are told to shut up, that we are the cause of all the arguing on the boards.

So, we have to shut up, but the people who are arguing with us do not?

That is the attitude I was speaking of when I said there is an anti-atheist conspiracy.

For every atheist on the board that speaks up and refuses to give in and convert, there are at least two fundamentalists or other religious people who are just as stubborn and argumentative. But nobody tells them to shut up.

Why are our rights to free speech not the same as everyone else's? Is it because we make too much sense and the faithful are being shaken in their beliefs?

That's the only explanation that I can see that makes any real sense.

We ARE discriminated against. It's so embedded in the culture people don't even SEE it. Only those of us who are constantly told to shut up.

I'll shut up when everyone else shuts up about their beliefs. Until then, the floor is for everyone. As is this country, and the world.

Yes, but it's mob rule. if one person wants to stand up, they can, but that doesn't automatically mean you'll be accepted. One of the great ironies of freedom of speech is that you can say whatever the hell you want, but there is nothing on you being shut up or not. Ok, so you have a right to speak, and the masses a right to shut you up, not the gov. You have a right to speak, not to be accepted. For this reason, people can be overthrown in our nation. Obviously the prez, or who ever owns his mouth as a puppet for that day, can say what they want, but the people don't like it with the polls being at 30-28% and all, thus he is rejected. Overthrown maybe in the near future.

For you, my dear friend, this goes with religion. The mob rule says that they want religion. So, they have a right to say shut up. When atheism become mainstream in about 10-15 years, then you can say shut up to religious folk like me, then we'll have the majority and do the same, and the pattern shall continue forever.

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I won't shut up...I like to get under people's skins...if it makes them uncomfortable it's only because they know it's too close to the truth. It is most enjoyable.

reply to post by Gorman91


What country do you live in?

The US guarantees me freedom of speech.

You want to be a Nazi there are other places to do it. Though the US is rapidly becoming Nazi-esque.

reply to post by MajorMalfunction


No, you should speak you mind, but if you think the gov can stop 2/3rds of the US population from stopping you, be my guest. People always should speak what they want, but in reality, the masses filter it with their will. As I said, you'll have the glorious power of making me shut up in 10-15 years when you are the majority. It's the way the system works, it's how opinions change.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by MajorMalfunction

 

No, you should speak you mind, but if you think the gov can stop 2/3rds of the US population from stopping you, be my guest. People always should speak what they want, but in reality, the masses filter it with their will. As I said, you'll have the glorious power of making me shut up in 10-15 years when you are the majority. It's the way the system works, it's how opinions change.

Actually the Constitution protects the minority from OPPRESSION, and if people try to stop the minority from expressing their FREEDOM OF SPEECH, those people would be committing a CRIMINAL ACT.
Everyone including you, should have the right to FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

reply to post by jfj123


yes, but like I said, those 70% Christian population, and for that matter, the 80-90% of God or spirit believers, never really listen to law. Shall we forget the case of evolution? I believe in it, but according to some states, they bash your ideas to death. Nothing is fair, and that's mob rule, but oh well, the same will happen to us all when, like I've been saying, you people are the majority in a few years.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by jfj123

 

yes, but like I said, those 70% Christian population, and for that matter, the 80-90% of God or spirit believers, never really listen to law. Shall we forget the case of evolution? I believe in it, but according to some states, they bash your ideas to death. Nothing is fair, and that's mob rule, but oh well, the same will happen to us all when, like I've been saying, you people are the majority in a few years.

Yes, some backward states have TRIED to eliminate evolution from public schools but have failed. Some have TRIED to get religion taught next to evolution but they have failed.

If they don't listen to law then they are penalized either criminally or civil court.

When atheists are the majority, I don't think they will attempt to outlaw religion like religion has tried to do. I don't think atheists will care about religion as long as it doesn't effect them. You see, religions feel like they should extinguish atheists and science because it DARE'S to contradict it. That science challenges it. Science doesn't care about religion because science knows religion cannot challenge it in any way.

really interesting thread, im an atheist and i live in england, luckily nearly every single person i know or have met is an athiest and those that arent are normally agnostic. Personally i dont believe religions should have any part in politics or education both should deal in known facts and not be tainted. Only evidence should sway an opinion religion lacks it, so important decisions should not be based upon on it, but then again are there any WMD's in the bible . Anti athiesm, well not where i am but on the net yeah but then there is anti/pro everything on the net, which is a good thing

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On the contrary, "absolute power corrupts absolutely" (Forgot where I got that quote from). And although they may not seem, it, when people have the majority, power makes them want more. It is likely a communist state will form, and be overthrown like so many others. I'm sorry, but both sides are at fault when it comes to mob rule.


Any who, the states can say what they want, when I go there, they don't teach what it says in any science books. It's kind of like illegal legality, or basically, it's illegal, but no one there cares, so the mob rule makes it legal.

Originally posted by Gorman91
Any who, the states can say what they want, when I go there, they don't teach what it says in any science books. It's kind of like illegal legality, or basically, it's illegal, but no one there cares, so the mob rule makes it legal.

yea, that's so great. let's overthrow the experts here and say that we know better...

Originally posted by Gorman91
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On the contrary, "absolute power corrupts absolutely" (Forgot where I got that quote from). And although they may not seem, it, when people have the majority, power makes them want more. It is likely a communist state will form, and be overthrown like so many others. I'm sorry, but both sides are at fault when it comes to mob rule.


Any who, the states can say what they want, when I go there, they don't teach what it says in any science books. It's kind of like illegal legality, or basically, it's illegal, but no one there cares, so the mob rule makes it legal.

As I grew up and live in the United States, I can tell you that you are wrong. I received a public education where I learned about evolution. My sisters and brothers learned the same thing. Their children learned the same thing and their grand children are learning about evolution as well. Yes there are certain isolated schools who are attempting to skirt the law but they are a minority.

Again, if atheists were in charge, science would advance more quickly (ie stem cell research) and atheists wouldn't care about religions because they would be of no threat or interest. The only reason religions don't like atheists and science is because they are a threat to their beliefs. It has been this way throughout history.

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Actually, that was then, not now.

And on the science? there are plenty of middle grounds that wouldn't effect anything.

Stem cells? use umbilical chords. They got loads more then a single egg cell. This middle ground would actually speed the process many dozen times over.

Abortion? With science in the current state, I would put money on the ability to take the fetus out, and grow it externally. You could even mix the last example with this one: put it in a stem cell solution. If I remember correctly, fetuses will live for any amount of time, and continue growing past 9 months until they are taken out. As all needed resources are in the umbilical chord. So 9 months in, just take the kid out of the stem cell solution, take out the nose plugs (all fetuses have it) and pat the lungs. tada, your brand new oven baked baby is born. (no pun intended, if I knew what pun meant)

I'll bet there is a middle ground to every problem. If people would open their eyes, perhaps they could see it, rather then sticking to one position,and acting like your holding onto dear life.

Atheists in charge, I think, would likely lead to a communist state. This isn't with all atheists, just some.

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...and it's often those "some" that take control, as they have absolutely no care for anyone, and know how to control other atheists to further their own objective. I'm not saying Atheists don't care for people, it's quite the opposite. I'm saying it's those few that don't care that often take over for their own malicious goals.

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Atheists in charge, I think, would likely lead to a communist state. This isn't with all atheists, just some.

What evidence do you have that would lead you to believe this is true? As far as I know, most atheists who live in the US are in favor of Democracy.

Keep in mind that because atheists don't believe in a heaven or re-incarnation, this life and all lives have more meaning. I'm sure not all atheists feel this way but I am willing to bet that most do as they don't believe they have the opportunity to fix things in the next life.

Gorman, no offense, seriously, but you really need to let go of this idea that atheism and communism are bedmates. That was Stalin's gig, using atheism as a tool to advance communism. And as I mentioned before, his version of atheism wasn't really atheism, it was statolatry.

As an atheist, and as an individual, I would much prefer to see our country go just a little on the socialist side, providing better for all its people in the form of universal health care, but also as an atheist and an individual, I still enjoy and appreciate the fruits of living in a (supposedly) free capitalist society.

I think that a mistake is being made by many religious people in assuming that atheists are all of a like mind. That couldn't be farther from the truth. The only thing that ALL of us agree on is that we see no evidence of a god, so we don't believe in one.

Otherwise, atheists represent the entire gamut of human society, not just communism.

Honestly, science and Christianity both have benefited society. Yeah, some people think Christianity has done nothing but genocide. Christianity has many, and I mean many charities that help everyone around the world.
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I understand science and Christianity can not go hand and hand, because of creationism and evolution. I say let the people decide what they want, and no one else. If you want your kids to learn about creationism, send them to a Catholic school. If you want your kid to learn about evolution then send them to a public school.
I went to a catholic school, it taught me both creationism and evolution. In the end it came down to me as an individual to choose the right belief system for me.

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

It was Lord Acton who said this quote.

Originally posted by MajorMalfunction


As an atheist, and as an individual, I would much prefer to see our country go just a little on the socialist side, providing better for all its people in the form of universal health care, but also as an atheist and an individual, I still enjoy and appreciate the fruits of living in a (supposedly) free capitalist society.

Exactly. You may not be communistic, nor want it, but by building a foundation of socialism, you put the foundation of a future corrupt atheist to enact a communist nation. The same, for that matter, goes to Christians. When they lay the brick work for a conservative nation, they lay the foundation of a theocracy. You see this in both ways. The only way to counter it is to keep both people in charge. And because one is always trying to take over the other, the US has it's mini revolutions. So far, the major ones have been The Great awakening(conservative), the ACTUAL revolution (liberal), the Western expansion (could be seen either way by how they treated people in their way), the civil war (liberal and moderate conservative), Spanish American War (conservative), WW1 (conservative). Etc, etc. Up to such thing as the 70's era, and onto today's modernizations.

Yea, I'm kind of going no where with this, but my point is that total domination by either side is bad.

This returns us to the original anti-atheist conspiracy topic. These days it is the first time in a long time where BOTH sides are attempting a take over event, which will lead to anger at both sides, and probably civil war. To go deeper into this, it is becoming a 4 way street, rather then a 2 way one. Now you also have the false conservatives (Bush, Etc) and the false liberals ( pretty much everyone in the senate). Each side hates the other sides equally. Except maybe the Bushies and the senate, who have an unhappy friendship.

Now, that mindless rambling went no where, yes, but it just goes with what I was saying.

Looking back at what I said about atheist-Christian middle grounds, would not that stop all this mindless rambling?

This is also to you, Equinox99

I understand science and Christianity can not go hand and hand, because of creationism and evolution. I say let the people decide what they want, and no one else. If you want your kids to learn about creationism, send them to a Catholic school. If you want your kid to learn about evolution then send them to a public school.

Oh, and as for the whole creationism, evolution thing. Meh, in about 20 years they say they'll have a time machine, or so says Israel.

Originally posted by Equinox99
Honestly, science and Christianity both have benefited society. Yeah, some people think Christianity has done nothing but genocide. Christianity has many, and I mean many charities that help everyone around the world.

Actually, I would have to say that PEOPLE who may have been Christian, Have done good work around the world. There's a difference between the Religion itself and the people who do go inside of it. If Christianity didn't exist, those same people would still want to do good and find another outlet to do so.


ALSO,
There is a difference between Socialism and Communism. I believe you're misunderstanding the meaning of the two things gorman91.

gorman91 wrote,

Oh, and as for the whole creationism, evolution thing. Meh, in about 20 years they say they'll have a time machine, or so says Israel.

There is no "thing" between creationism and evolution as they are not competing theories. If they were competing theories, that would mean there is similar evidence for both and there is NO evidence for creationism and GREAT amounts of evidence for Evolution.

Socialism and communism are not the same things.

Many parts of our infrastructure (in America) are already socialized: public schools, fire department, police as three examples. If they'd add health care to the list, and leave the rest of society the way it is, I'd be happy.

That is a far cry from communism.

The communism fixation of yours is getting in the way of proper understanding, no offense intended.