Problem Lodge....

Originally posted by LightinDarkness
Aww shucks, don't like to be held accountable for the things you type, eh? I was specifically asking about THIS:

Originally posted by Tamahu
In fact, even though Caucasians have committed most of the racist oppression on this planet within the last few-hundred, if not thousands of years;

If you are going to make sweeping generalizations, don't do it in a thread where I am watching. I will call you out on it.

I have agreed to stop bumping this post, so I won't respond to anymore posts in this thread. So congrats, you get the "last word" again - enjoy it!

Ah, well thanks again for "the last word".


But you mis-quoted me again.



Here's the entire paragraph:

Originally posted by Tamahu
In fact, even though Caucasians have committed most of the racist oppression on this planet within the last few-hundred, if not thousands of years; Caucasians(Western-culture rather) have, as a whole, been more accepting than other cultures of unnatural and harmful behaviors such as homosexuality(not to mention pollution, nuclear bombs, pesticides, genetic grafting, etc.)

Who could be blind enough to assert that Western "civilization" has not been the most responsible for the things listed here?

I'm not saying that Western Culture does not have it's own Beautiful aspects.


And I'm not saying that everything that someone posted needs to be addressed every single time.

But please at least address the other parts of what they posted which are relevant to what you're addressing, as to keep it in the entire context of what the poster you are addressing originally intended.




[edit on 22-12-2007 by Tamahu]

You still have not told us how a cross dresser somehow is against the virtues taught by masonry. I await your answer on that.
L&D, you may have overlooked the part in the obligations about a fool.
It would seem to me that dressing as a woman in a small conservative town, drawing that sort of attention is not short of being a fool.
Then again, with Grand Lodge taking the lodge Masters stance of "the obligations are meaningless words" anything goes, there are no rules.
The crossdresser would be better if he would just shave his back.

Originally posted by HDFACTORYCERTIF
You still have not told us how a cross dresser somehow is against the virtues taught by masonry. I await your answer on that.

"What is as abundant as evil weeds in this perverse, corrupted and Doomed Aryan civilization, are the false hermaphrodites, meaning, the homosexuals of Lilith, the gays."

- Worshipful Master Samael Aun Weor

The meaning of this is quite clearly explained by Albert Pike here:



SUBLIME PRINCE OF THE ROYAL SECRET




[edit on 22-12-2007 by Tamahu]

Wow, I have been gone awhile very busy, but I am back.
This thread was a warning to higher ups, but was not taken serious. Thats too bad. I always give warning of approaching danger.
I have bad news, " Our Brother RacerX is under attack".
Yes, Monkey Masons are involved. As I have explained before I can not post the actual lodge, but anyone with a brain may be able to piece some facts together from what is forth coming.
I will link you to another web site, a machinist web site. On this site I am very well known as a precision machinist and have made close to 3000 post.
I started this post about Brother Master Mason RacerX you will link to, read it if you want. Now, two replies down, I link to photos on photobucket look at the first one carefully. When on these photos move over to the right and click on album. There are 2 photos of my old friend Ernest Cuska of Cycles Alex Singer, keep looking through "several pages" and you will see ME and what I do, interest and ect.
It has began, war was declared and waged upon RacerX and I by the Monkey Masons, and war it is, but our battle field will be in court.
We will systematically undue all that has been done to us with the same extreme precision that I perform on the Monarch Toolmakers lathe in those photos, that is how I do things, "I am not a social worker".
I intend to drive the Monkey Masons out of the fraternity, and it will be slow, steady and thorough, a lesson for all that think, The Obligation Are Meaningless Words.
As always, I will answer any questions that I can----enjoy
www.practicalmachinist.com...

[edit on 15-2-2008 by HDFACTORYCERTIF]

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Err...what?

What Lodge are you talking about? What is a monkey Mason? What relevance to this thread does what you've written have?

It seems that you're unwilling to name the Lodge, yet you're willing to go to court. Court papers are public information, and most court documents are available online. So name the Lodge.

Your pal,
Meat.

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And your retort, cheifly the personal attacks contained therein, was uncalled for.

I have come to the conclusion that there is little if anything any of us here can do for your situation.

Pursue whatever course of action you deem appropriate; however I would personally discourage your discussing it on ATS further than you already have.

You have stated your case and your questions; the brethren here assembled have answered as each sees fit. This thread has run its course IMHO.

It is your choice to "crusade" in defense of the Craft, and if that is your chosen course of action then so be it... but I submit the following: A good brother once said to me (and others), "Masonry is not about ME changing THEM -- it's about ME changing ME!"

Think about it.

My advice as a Brother is to find another lodge, encourage those members who disapprove as you do to do the same, and let the monkey business play out the way it will. Obviously your attempts to rectify the situation have failed for whatever reason. The only official body that can help you, Masonically speaking, is the GL... if they have failed to act, then your options are clear, and YOU must make the choice.

I have watched and researched this situation over the past couple of months and at this point I must withdraw my participation in it and leave it to you to deal with, through whatever reasonable method is left to you.

Good luck and travel safely.

[edit on 2/15/08 by The Axeman]

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Mmmeat... you should read the whole thread.

Calling a somewhat on-topic post (which that happens to be) "off-topic" only shows that you are not aware of the topic at hand or the context in which it is being discussed.

Practice what you preach, dude.

With respect,
Axe

Axe, you are a good man, this is not your fight.
As I told you privately, the root of this evil is money, in this case millions of dollars.
This is my town, in fact RacerX and I were both born across the street from my office.
I am a 3rd generation member of this now corrupted 157yr old lodge. The officers and members that have caused this disaster in the past few years are outsiders.
RacerX and I have had many meetings with the Grand Master, many under summons. We have informed him clearly of most aspects of the situation and he chose to do nothing, thus allowing and possibly condoning further criminal actions of these officers and members.
It may be wise for the Grand Master at this time to meet with us again and review the situation with honesty. He really does need to show leadership right now.
I hope that it can be understood, we can not simply walk away, there is no where to go. We live here.
I want to convey, I do not want to believe that there could other lodges such as this, I certainly hope not.

Originally posted by The Axeman
Mmmeat... you should read the whole thread.

Calling a somewhat on-topic post (which that happens to be) "off-topic" only shows that you are not aware of the topic at hand or the context in which it is being discussed.

Practice what you preach, dude.

I didn't call anything off topic, I asked what relevance the post had to what had already been posted - I've read the entire thread. I really, honestly, don't see the connection between machining and whatever a monkey Mason is.

Furthermore, I'm of the opinion that if you don't want to openly discuss a specific Lodge and whatever is going on there then you probably shouldn't post anything about it on the internet. The internet tends to be kind of a public place.

Of course, that's just my opinion.

Your pal,
Meat.

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The reference to the machining thread was to give a clue to the whereabouts of his location. You have to follow the rabbit trail.

If this is for real, which to me is highly speculative. I would say you should contact the Inspector in your District and let him handle it. It is his job after all to ensure that Lodges are practicing ritual correctly.

[edit on 16-2-2008 by sharkman]

Yes, Sharkman, the old Russian saying does apply-
"The Fish Rots From The Head"

Notice on the PM site" bottom of page 2", I describe being approached a month ago about making a silencer/ suppressor for a weapon. I also reported the same here on the thread about the sad affair of the Brother that was killed during a hazing.
This sadly was done by an EAM from this lodge, and yes there is a Monkey Mason that is a Cop also envolved, he is in deep doo doo over this whole weapons affair.
RacerX and I have constantly complained to the Grand Lodge about the actions of these members and officers. The list is far too long to rehash at this time.
RacerX and I have quit attending this lodge months ago and the badgering of us continues and escalates.

[edit on 16-2-2008 by HDFACTORYCERTIF]

[edit on 16-2-2008 by HDFACTORYCERTIF]

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Why do you not direct us to the releavant news articles that corroborate these allegations? Time and again you have been asked to verify your assertions and you continue to avoid doing so, perhaps you can provide the information that supports your claims. I look forward to its divulgence.

Just be patient Augustus, its coming, and that is too bad. It could have all been avoided by reasonable leadership from Grand Lodge.
As I have said, the process now in motion will be slow, steady and thorough.
I understand that many here are unhappy with me reporting these terrible events and seem to indicate this is not the place, but this is a conspiracy forum and in my opinion this falls into the subject quite well.
If you do not want Mason problems talked here, then remove the square and compass from the header.
I am sorry that I cant report all positive and sunshine in Masonry, things do happen in any group.
Early on, one thing stands out to me, the Master of this Lodge stated to the Grand Lodge Deputies and others present. "The Obligations Are Meaningless Words". RacerX and I strongly protested this and it went unchallenged by Grand Lodge. In my opinion if the Obligations did have meaning, then things like this could not happen.
If you want more instantly, follow what one called a rabbit trail and ring the Grand Master on the phone and say WTF!!!


[edit on 16-2-2008 by HDFACTORYCERTIF]

As I stated Rockpuck, I am a precision machinist not a social worker.
It could well be these Masons made a terrible mistake allowing RacerX and I into the fraternity by having us swear to God to uphold the Obligations that they now indicate are meaningless.
If all this bothers you as you indicate, take it up with the Grand Master, he is hiding at the end of the rabbit trail. But watch out for Monkey Poo!

Originally posted by HDFACTORYCERTIF
I understand that many here are unhappy with me reporting these terrible events...

Dude -- we've seen WAY worse, trust me.

It's (supposedly) a free country... so post away. Just realize that from this point you may be doing more harm to yourself than good for your cause.

Take Rockpuck for example. He's a good man, and by your posting and attitude you have alienated yourself from him (possibly others) and made an "enemy" where before there was only a "brother."

You know what you need to do; do it, and leave it at that. Anything outside of that is superfluous.

I'm not telling you what to do; simply offering counsel. Take it or leave it.

Good luck.

[edit on 2/16/08 by The Axeman]

Think about this, there is a Grand Lodge that appears to have tossed out the Obligations.
One would think that this is a serious disregard to the very foundation of Masonry.
Without the foundation of the Obligations, then greed sets in. Do not stray from the trail, the problem is financial based.

reply to post by HDFACTORYCERTIF


Think about this: not one of us here on ATS can do jack squat about anything that is happening in your GL. Hence, this is the wrong audience at this point. The correct audience would be other MM's in your jurisdiction who would take exception to these occurrences and take action.

Get with other lodges in your state and hold the GL Officers accountable, or demit, or go to a different lodge.

Really those are your only choices, as far as the monkey business. The other stuff... I dunno what to tell you man.