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Originally posted by johndoex
To put this in perspective... CL, you have 1147 views of this thread (as of this post) in over a half a year, which you admit was titled to slander "in order to get my attention",
add another 100 or so vews from your new videos, and perhaps even less on your blog (going by YT views linked from your blog and here). We do 1000+ views in less than 6 hours on a slow day (which doesnt include radio/TV interviews). But hey, keep up the great work!
Regards,
Rob
Originally posted by beachnut
Originally posted by Caustic Logic
Mmm, soon and sooner now that people are watching. A week or so... lotta graphics to update... will post it here.
BTW, I can think of no honest mistake normal reason to turn the map 7 degrees CCW relative to any grid. That's not a backwards mag correction as I and others had speculated on... it's weird.
The small patch of the Pentagon, and the runway patch are the only sections the NTSB added to an aircraft only animation. The runway and Pentagon are not placed using FDR data, but manually. Proof of this is the fact 77's FDR show 77 3000 feet south of the runway. The NTSB had to place the runway under the plane on the animation.
CL has got his stuff together on math and physics, he can help you correct your errors and learn?
Originally posted by Caustic Logic
Craig and I already covered this (see page 1, if you forgot). I told the truth to hurt your reputation.
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
In light of [Caustic Logic] instant concessions and his failure to make a coherent or relevant point [...] completely unjustified and totally libelous title of this thread that he ADMITTED was created to get Rob's attention.
That's probably fair. I apologize for that. I'm glad it worked though. I'll even take a warn if need be.
Originally posted by PatchesOHoulihan
reply to post by johndoex
But surely, if the animation was a 'working copy' which was not disseminated to the 'american public' until someone requested it under the FOIA and then disseminated it themselves, how can the agency which produced the erroneous animation be considered to be at fault?
Originally posted by johndoex
"The Safety Boards goal in providing information to FOIA requesters is to provide the most complete, accurate information possible."
"Duh-Bunkers" always love to omit the above quote.
Originally posted by PatchesOHoulihan
ermmmmmm..... you seriously think that when they say "most complete and accurate" that this relates to the content of the documentation provided and not the scope of documents which fall under the description of the applicants request?
Seriously?
deliberate deception by the NTSB?
It's only because someone has gone and asked for it that they are duty bound to release it even though it may not be complete or accurate. What you then do with it or what hopes you pin on it is not really their concern.
Originally posted by PatchesOHoulihan
reply to post by johndoex
But surely, if the animation was a 'working copy' which was not disseminated to the 'american public' until someone requested it under the FOIA and then disseminated it themselves, how can the agency which produced the erroneous animation be considered to be at fault?
What did I say about the standards. Source. Quotes please. Your source is a salesman, you expert is a salesman. Great expert. But wait, getting a statement from a salesman, that is hearsay. Does 77 FDR have to comply with 124 and 55 on 9/11? Why do you never answer? If you like, I can comment on the standards when you finally present them, instead of you posting hearsay from some salesman at the FDR company. Salesman?
Originally posted by johndoex
"Duh-Bunkers" always love to omit the above quote.
Keep in mind, this time last year Beachnut thought TSO-124 and ED-55 was "hearsay". He claims he has worked with FDR's, but wasnt even aware of such regulations.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Beachy, im not really sure of Ed's title at L3 as he isnt "our expert", rather one who we were patched through to at L3 for FDR Questions. Do you have a source for your claims? Does it really matter his title?
However, sales managers have to have product knowledge and are also engineers. They have to be better than the engineers. After all, they have to sell the product to airline fleets worldwide. Ya think? He certainly knows more about FDR's than you do. You didnt even know what ED-55 and TSO-124 was last year on this very thread. You called it "hearsay...". lol... today.. almost a year later, you confirm it. Thanks!
Beachy, regardless of ED-55 and TSO-124, you still cannot come up with a figure to support the govt story. Each figure you have claimed, you have been shown is still too high. Then you delete your figures after being quoted and proven it doesnt support the govt story. You're not too honest, are you Beachy.
By the way, its good to see you're actually looking into this information, instead of just claiming you were an "FDR Expert". Took you how long, almost a year? Pssst... 1990 is still before 2001. Beachy trying so hard to prove "P4T wrong" has in fact incriminated himself and his story once again. ED-55 is .5 sec buffer lag standard. If it was effective in 1990 as you claim (which you are wrong here too), it was effective for 2001. New regulations that supercede do not become more liberal with "buffer lag" as you have claimed is 4 seconds. Ya think? Every FDR manufacturer touts as being ED-55 and TSO-124 compliant.
You lie, you been caught. Beachy, you are not what you claim. You have never worked on FDR's. Your "4 seconds buffer lag" claims are all over this thread. Today, you just confirmed ED-55 0.5 second standard buffer lag was effective on Sept 11, which you avoided last year. Although, your effective date is still wrong, but it still serves the purpose.
One day, if i feel like it, i'll pull out the regs and prove you wrong regarding date. But the fact remains, as you claim, ED-55 was effective prior to 9/11 ,more than 10 years prior according to you.. it set the standard for .5 second buffer lag proving your 4 second claim a lie, and you cannot come up with a figure to support your precious fairy tale. When proven it doesnt support your fairy tale, you delete the content after already being quoted. Poor form Beachy.
Also, thanks for spreading this all over the net. Im not surprised you dont come to our forum to discuss it, but we are getting hits from every old thread you bump. Its ironic i just put up the "Media Blackout" article the other day for all to see when they click the links in the threads you bump. Thanks!
(disclaimer: i know many of you "critical thinkers" may be thinking Beachy really works for us as controlled opposition as his arguments are easily spotted as a typical strawman, but i assure you, this is just the way Beachy is.... he's an old timer, so we give him some slack.)
Source-
www.democraticunderground.com...
4: What would be a typical time lag between the sensor signal being
generated (for example aileron angle) and the data being logged to the
protected memory of the recorder?
L-3 Response: Per ED55, it shall not exceed 0.5 seconds,
5: Is the size of this recording delay regulated by industry or just
minimized by good design?
L-3 Response: Regulated per ED-55, Minimum Operational Performance
Specification for Flight Data Recorder Systems.
6: In the case of a major accident like CFIT (controlled flight into
terrain) how much data (in terms of seconds of flight) is typically
lost? (For example signals still being processed by the DFDAU).
L-3Response:
With the use of the Solid State Flight Data Recorders,
typically, data is only lost at the point when power to the recorder or
FDAU is terminated.
One day, if i feel like it, i'll pull out the regs and prove you wrong …
Funny, that is a false statement by L-3
4: What would be a typical time lag between the sensor signal being
generated (for example aileron angle) and the data being logged to the
protected memory of the recorder?
L-3 Response: Per ED55, it shall not exceed 0.5 seconds,
5: Is the size of this recording delay regulated by industry or just
minimized by good design?
L-3 Response: Regulated per ED-55, Minimum Operational Performance
Specification for Flight Data Recorder Systems.