Citizens Arrested for commiting free speech w/video

Originally posted by Copernicus

Originally posted by h2owater
www.rense.com...

mad as hell what is his agenda for doing this

Check out the new martial law rules as well...

I recommend everybody who wants to change this to buy a video camera and keep putting these movies on the net. Have a legal demonstration or protest, and bring cameras to show how the police react.


[edit on 19-9-2007 by Copernicus]

Cop call me very dumb I guess, but please show me where in this executive order it makes any threat to any right we have. I dont see it man, im not trying to argu at all. if there is something I am missing please help me see it thats all. I posted the order from the White house site.

www.whitehouse.gov...

I dont know I get out of it that its intended to try and stop the stealing going on in IRAQ by American companies and those who would undermine the reconstruction and programs designed to help the Iraqi people. I didnt see where it was so bad.

Take care man

Just to be objective... Looks like a bunch of Code Pink whackos set out to be arrested. Any publicity is good publicity when it comes a group like that. The camera man was just too serendipitous with his timing and questions. I get the feeling that the whole thing was a set up.

If we are living in a police state as the protesters and camera(man) insinuate then why didn't the Capitol Police ask him for his papers or arrest him too? Looks like he was still allowed to use his free speech to shout at them while he was making a video. The whole thing was so juvenile I couldn't watch more than 2/3 of it.

Take a chill pill.

And America should export democracy? That's a joke!!!

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Careful... Your agenda is showing... There is no who, what, when, why or how in the video... But you claim it's obvious... The only thing obvious is that you lack any ability for critical thinking, or examining anything in an objective manner. The answer to the questions I posed must not mix well with the flavor of Kool-aid you're drinking... Perhaps it's time give up the sugary kid's stuff and imbibe something with a little more substance... Like reality.



And as I mentioned before, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but fails miserably when employed as a debate tool.

Meme Monkeys, not just for cheap copies anymore...

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Hey Fox, Now ill agree if this is all she was doing then yes. I am very concerned about this deal. I really don’t want to believe that simply reciting the constitution would get you put in jail. I think its time I tried it myself down at City Hall, plenty of cops around and a good audience to speak to. Usually alot of traffic around noontime.

Listen I am totally in love with my country I think its the best on the planet bar none. And I have served in the military and ive worked for the government my whole life in some capacity. Right now, I supply our troops with computers all over the world. Alot in Iraq and AFGAN. I guess my point is that I have alot of faith in our way of life, and it’s very hard for me to believe our freedoms are going south literally.

I want to think it’s like this because of the threat from those who hate our way of life and there are plenty out there foreign and domestic!

I will still look at every instance on its own merit but this one does have me wondering if they really arrested her for simply reciting the constitution. It would be a bad sign to me for sure. It would be nice to have video of her doing that before the cops showed up. But we have what we have to go on.

Good post thx

Originally posted by Mirthful Me
Perhaps it's time give up the sugary kid's stuff and imbibe something with a little more substance... Like reality.

did you write the book or something? I reject your reality, and substitute it with my own.

There are no facts, only interpretations.

[edit on 20-9-2007 by scientist]

Originally posted by Griff

I'd just rather someone come out and say what's on their mind than pussyfoot around it with rhetorical questions and sarcasm.

Hey Griif, I try and say whats on my mind right? sometimes it even makes sense but not much so im told. LOL you got to love MM for the ol williamsburg language lesson. Thx MM I liked those posts BTW you guys.

Now the thread topic:

I really didnt want to believe this lady was placed under arrest for simply reciting the constitution. its been said on the thread that she was what a pink taco or something and they were disturbing another "pro war" demonstration.

Now if thats true would she have violated the Pro war groups right to demonstrate "for" the war on terrorism?

Originally posted by matt the rat

Looks like a bunch of Code Pink whackos

Thats what I meant Code Pink Wackos. Who is this group? never heard of them.

Tanks

Originally posted by Mirthful Me
Just a thought...

Does anyone know when this occurred? What group(s) was involved? it looks like Code Pink, but why didn't any of the "pink women" mention "Code Pink" by name? What was the "pro-war" group that was also involved? Why isn't there any video of the actual demonstration (why does it stop as he approaches the other group)? If freedom of speech/the press is suppressed, why do the police allow him to continue taping (as was at least one other "reporter")? Why does the "videographer" claim by name to be a "reporter" but doesn't provide the essential details that any news story should have? Before anyone makes any foolish statements, here is the videographer's profile:

www.youtube.com...

Why is critical thinking falling by the wayside while reactionary bleating is becoming the norm?

Isn't that what they really want?

I quoted your whole post so it was apparent what you said. Heres my response. Nobody OWES an answer to any of the QUESTIONS you post. This is America. You can demonstrate and are supposed to have free speech. That doesn't mean free only when everyone agrees with what your saying. I can say whatever the hell i want and if you dont like it then # you. # you and the horse you rode in on. Since when do you have to explain the circumstances of free speech. Ridiculous. Your post is despicable. WHY ARE COPS EVEN HANGING AROUND? WAS THERE A CRIME THERE? Hell no, unless you can point one out.. OMG THEY ARE BLOCKING THE SIDEWALK. Give me a break. MORONIC. IDIOTIC. IT DOESN MATTER IF IT WAS CODE ASS RAPE OF THE EAT # CLAN OF PEOPLE AGAINST MEXICANS. THEY CAN SAY WHAT THEY WANT. What part of that dont you get.... Let me guess, EVERY part.

Does anyone know if an order has been sent to all or many authorities in the United States to use stronger force or to override the constitution?

"Terrorism" has been used as an excuse to implement new laws.

~Grand

[edit on 20/9/2007 by Nyorai]

Originally posted by matt the rat
I get the feeling that the whole thing was a set up.

I have now watched the video and I stand by my comments MM and others. First of all, so what if "the whole thing was a set up"? When the police entice pedophiles on the internet to come to a house so they can be arrested (and I'm in no way advocating for pedophilia) it's called a sting. But, if law abiding citizens use their constitutional rights and peacefully assemble in a peaceful demonstration, it's a set up? I can't believe that they've won and there are people that actually think this way. Not to pick on you specifically.

"And that's how democracy dies.....with standing ovations."

Star Wars III

Originally posted by geemony
Now if thats true would she have violated the Pro war groups right to demonstrate "for" the war on terrorism?

Does the KKK have the right to protest a "million man march"? Yes, and they have. Does Fred Phelps have the right to protest that "God hates Fags" at millitary funerals of dead soldiers from Iraq? Yes, and they have. What is the difference here? Because you don't want to believe that what they say is true?

I don't mean any offense by this but, I can't understand someone who has defended our constitution (thank you BTW) can actually sit back and not be outraged by some of the stuff we are seeing lately.

Originally posted by shug7272
Nobody OWES an answer to any of the QUESTIONS you post. This is America. You can demonstrate and are supposed to have free speech. That doesn't mean free only when everyone agrees with what your saying. I can say whatever the hell i want and if you dont like it then # you. # you and the horse you rode in on. Since when do you have to explain the circumstances of free speech. Ridiculous. Your post is despicable. WHY ARE COPS EVEN HANGING AROUND? WAS THERE A CRIME THERE? Hell no, unless you can point one out.. OMG THEY ARE BLOCKING THE SIDEWALK. Give me a break. MORONIC. IDIOTIC. IT DOESN MATTER IF IT WAS CODE ASS RAPE OF THE EAT # CLAN OF PEOPLE AGAINST MEXICANS. THEY CAN SAY WHAT THEY WANT. What part of that dont you get.... Let me guess, EVERY part.

Hold on Shug, put the gun down. No need for the cursing man we dont do that here. We try and get all the facts before we make assumptions. Sometimes and im for sure guilty I jump to conclusions, anyway
I think what MM was trying to do is get all the facts first. If the women was disturbing another protest then off she goes. She has violated thier right to free speech. it goes both ways man doesnt it?

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Members of the Ku Klux Klan say they plan to stage a protest outside the Dollywood theme park in Pigeon Forge, Tenn., on Saturday, where several thousand gay and lesbian parkgoers are expected for a ''Gay Day'' event.

www.tennessean.com...

Is this a violation of freedom for the gay day event? Or is it the right of the kkk to protest?

As far as I'm aware, there were no arrests made.

LAKE JUNALUSKA, North Carolina (AP) — About a dozen members of the Ku Klux Klan protested Saturday outside a meeting of United Methodists who want gays welcomed in all aspects of church life. The protesters, mostly men and a few women dressed in black and wearing black berets, came from a handful of southern U.S. states and carried signs reading “Show me where sin is OK,” and “God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.” “There’s no place for homosexuals in God’s church,” said Cole Thornton, a leader of the KKK group based in Georgia. “It’s not a born way of life, it’s an accepted way of life. And it’s a direct relationship with sin.” About five counter-protesters from Knoxville, Tenn., who were across the street from the KKK, were asked to leave by police because they were not in a designated protest area. A small group of counter-protesters returned Saturday afternoon to a designated area. One sign they carried read: “I’m straight but I’m not narrow.” No incidents were reported.

www.sovo.com...

That's a good one. Both protesting and counter protesting in the same area. No incidents reported. So, why is it illegal to read the constitution?

[edit on 9/20/2007 by Griff]

[edit on 9/20/2007 by Griff]

Originally posted by Griff

Does the KKK have the right to protest a "million man march"? Yes, and they have. Does Fred Phelps have the right to protest that "God hates Fags" at millitary funerals of dead soldiers from Iraq? Yes, and they have. What is the difference here? Because you don't want to believe that what they say is true?

I don't mean any offense by this but, I can't understand someone who has defended our constitution (thank you BTW) can actually sit back and not be outraged by some of the stuff we are seeing lately.

No I look at each one on its own facts Griff thats all. Yes somethings do get to me like the phone tapping and added shake downs at the airports but I guess I just dont see it as alarming as some do. With any unpopular war or unpopular decision by the government you will have things like what we have seen lately. Korea seemed to start the movement becasue ill agree since Korea every war we have gone into we have gone into it to win IMO.

I say this right here right now If the US had of gone into the war on terror and produced a quick victory and showed Bin Ladens head opened up by a .50 cal sniper rifle then Bush would be a hero. if we had of gone into Iraq and produced a quick victory and unrest didnt take hold becasue of insurgents and civil waring groups. Then the American public would be praising Bush and the government. Same in Vietnam if we would have gone in it to win it. Americans would be happier than my dog when i give him a greenie. The American public doesnt like to lose and like it or not we arnt winning squat IMO. So it will get worse i think.

Back on topic before I walk the pug.

And what I was asking you is,

If in fact this women invaded another groups demonstration for the war on terrorism. Then should she have been taken out for violateing thier right to free speech?

Thx man

Originally posted by geemony
If in fact this women invaded another groups demonstration for the war on terrorism. Then should she have been taken out for violateing thier right to free speech?

Read my post about protests and counter protests. I will say, we don't know by this video that they may have stepped into the boundary or what not. But trying to speak OVER someone is NOT the same as violating their freedom of speech. Because they can always try and talk over the protesters. Now, shutting someone's mic off for asking a tough question. THAT IS violating someone's right to free speech. I didn't hear anyone commenting on them rushing the stage or trying to quelch the pro-war protesters. I just heard that they were maybe trying to talk over the protesters. Since when is that illegal?

Originally posted by Griff

That's a good one. Both protesting and counter protesting in the same area. No incidents reported. So, why is it illegal to read the constitution?

Id say bully for them, they had parallel protest and didnt get nasty with each other. The way its suppose to be done IMO. What have we seen here in this video. We dont see the cops acually arresting her. We hear her say why she was arrested. but we dont see what she was doing before then. Could she have been in the face of the pro war people yelling at them and disrupting thier peaceful demonstration. Where is the line suppose to be drawn with respect to ones rights and anothers. For example, im peacefully demonstrating my side and the other side comes to me yelling in my face that im blind or im thinking wrong and they disrupt my peaceful demonstration. Then my rights have just been violated right? or do they have to put thier hands on me before I yoke them up.

Does civility and respect for anothers position mean nothing here and its anything goes until it gets physical?

Originally posted by Griff

I just heard that they were maybe trying to talk over the protesters. Since when is that illegal?

I havent heard much more than you have but no it wouldnt be illegal in my eyes either but wouldnt it make you want to tazer them though? sorry ill try and keep it by the book or words so to speak. I do love the freedom of speech right we have. I just think it gets taken to very far extreme limits dont you agree?

I wonder if the Capitol Police position may be that this group of demonstrators may have been trying to use a "Heckler's Veto". It seems that this would be stretching the law a little, as these demonstrators didn't seem to be trying to shout anybody down. It all appears to be blown out of proportion by the police.

Originally posted by matt the rat

Just to be objective... Looks like a bunch of Code Pink whackos set out to be arrested.

You start out by saying "just to be objective" and in the same sentence you say "Code Pink whackos". Yeah, you're not passing judgement at all. Totally objective.


Someone had a thread on here a couple of months ago titled "Why Violent Revolution is a Terrible Idea" and I disagreed with them then and feel the same now. Peaceful protests were sanctioned because they didn't actually disrupt day to day business flow. Government workers and officials could look at protests and scoff as they know it doesn't change much of a thing. They love it when you try and peacefully protest as it keeps you believing that civil disobedience will effect change. Then they can continue on with whatever disgusting new law they want to pass or bombing whatever new country they want to bomb.

What America needs is more radical movements. I see it clearly in people's posts although most won't admit to it you all say "Why didn't anyone do anything?" "I can't believe they just stood there and let it happen." Well, they said the same things during Hitler's reign of power. (Martin Neimoller's famous quote)

America was founded on radical ideas and radical people who carried them out. Our forefathers spoke highly of dissent and resistance to our own government's over-extending influence on the people.

I know this post is going to incense a lot of you against me but I'm seeing an end of a road where the path of the peaceful will no longer be one that we will be allowed to walk. What happens then?

I watch this video sometimes and I think to myself "Will it ever come to this in America?" And if it does will it be for the better? I don't know... However, I do know that if we stay our present course we will continue to be walked all over. We never show the police our strongarm and they have grown comfortable knowing that we never flex our muscle. It's sad but true. If the government isn't afraid of you then they will make damn sure you are afraid of them.

I predict a riot

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

- John F. Kennedy