Which makes more sense evolution or bibles teachings.

Originally posted by runetang
has anyone ever wondered why/how we are so much hotter looking than apes?

its not just because of the lack of hair, all of the features have been seemingly finely chizzled and perfected, compared to an orangutan.

this is b/c we were generally designed to look "like" God .. not as good but, kinda like him. we are all little idols of the one true God, lol ..

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Wow this is stupid. First of all 'hotter' is just an perspective. You think apes think we're hotter? Second, i thought no one knows what god looks like? I could just say whales were designed to look like god.

The bible is not a history book.
It was created 1st century in the middle east but a group of monks.
They removed all testaments that contradicted the other testaments.

to answer the OP question...evolution makes more sense.

Originally posted by jedimiller
science is right to a degree. but not 100%. there are certain things Science can't explain. like why do people die? why do people age? Where do we come from?

So, religion is right, because it answers those questions that Science can't.

and I like looking for answers everywhere I can.

Well, I can tell you where you come from your parents or maybe single celled organisms millions of years ago.
People age because there bodies systems deteriorate over time. Also chemical and hormones can cause aging.

People die because their bodies can not do the required tasks to survive.

Thank you TheBadge for coming up with a sensible opinion.

Actually we age and die because the mitochondria or the engines that fuel cells slow down and die killing off cells. The mitochondria is also one of the ways that we can prove evolution is correct. The mitochondrial genes are passed on through the mother (only) and through an analysis of its genetic structure we can trace how far back a line goes before it separates from another.

That's probably above some funnymentalists heads though.

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It is almost impossible to "prove" that something didn't happen, particularly when it happened in the past and passed down for generations. I find the bible nothing more than a book written at a time when many things were not understood. I find it hard to believe in a god that singles out some of his "children" to save while others perish under the same circumstances. To that add the fact that our god is not the only one the world believes in. The entire world regardless of religion reports seeing the same UFOs. Cave drawings even show them...That was when there were thought to be many gods. Drawings of Aliens and UFOs are carved in stone so to speak. Stone carvings certainly can't be distorted by generations of translating. Religion is nothing more than a crutch. (notice how similar that word is to church). Now I am not saying religion is a bad thing, as it has given a lot of good to the world,but..... It has also created and still is creating wars. Think about it folks.

Originally posted by BugZyZuncle


where is the complete fossil record? Where are the transcendiary fossils that show the emergence of one species that changes to another? I'll tell you where they are! They do not exist, because evolution is BS and laughable!

i see. you are one of those...tons of scientific evidence...the fact that we have a fossil record says something but since it is incomplete today, this september day in 07, it's rubbish...

dammit posts like this get under my skin....it is a quest for knowledge...
just cause the fossil record is incomplete, does not mean it will be like that in 10, 20, etc years....

absence of evidence is not evidence of absence dude....

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Ahh but boon they are in a quest for ignorance.

Ok, hold the phone...

Evolution being based from a single cell theory makes since right? We all come from a single cell and "evolve" into humans or people.

Single cell?
Tell me where exactly that single cell came from?

"big bang"?
Where did that "big bang" come from?

its like the Chicken and the Egg... which came first?

evolving into people or whatever, is a scientific answer to a question that cannot be answered anyway.

Originally posted by SimplyMaryJane
Ok, hold the phone...

Evolution being based from a single cell theory makes since right? We all come from a single cell and "evolve" into humans or people.

Single cell?
Tell me where exactly that single cell came from?

organic chemical abiogenesis

"big bang"?
Where did that "big bang" come from?

preexisting matter and energy

its like the Chicken and the Egg... which came first?

not one bit.

evolving into people or whatever, is a scientific answer to a question that cannot be answered anyway.

yes it can... and it has.
over the course of 4 billion years cells evolved into things that evolved into things and so on and so forth until, in the modern day, we have the life we have now

No... Im talking about the "pre-existing matter" or whatever its called...

No one can go back and see what was here before the planets. Before the "existing matter". Before the Universe... Who created it? How? Why? When?
None of these questions can be explained by science or anything else. Its what each individual personally believes.

Please make note: im not trying to fight with you here... If you want to believe we evolved from fish or what ever you believe we evolved from, more power to ya.

No seriously people... I just haven't studied evolution so Im kinda learning here too.

Originally posted by SimplyMaryJane
No... Im talking about the "pre-existing matter" or whatever its called...

it always existed. you cannot destroy energy... you cannot create it... both of those go the same for matter
therefore it has always existed.

No one can go back and see what was here before the planets.

true. but astronomy is quite the established science and we have plenty of evidence to show how the universe was before the planets

Before the "existing matter". Before the Universe... Who created it? How? Why? When?
None of these questions can be explained by science or anything else. Its what each individual personally believes.

..."before" the universe doesn't exist. the statement before implies time... something that was created via the big bang.

again, the matter/energy was always there.

Please make note: im not trying to fight with you here... If you want to believe we evolved from fish or what ever you believe we evolved from, more power to ya.

No seriously people... I just haven't studied evolution so Im kinda learning here too.

i'd suggest reading up on it somewhere else... probably cracking open a high school level text book would be a bit more useful as an intro.
also, ask melatonin on here for help, the guy knows his stuff... i think he's a guy at least, never bothered to ask, though i do know that mel is a brit

there is no way the bible is made up. people didn't make stuff up like that..

Since when did people not make stuff up like that? I mean, if it is true that people back then didn't make stuff up, but only wrote or talked about what they actually saw, then The Greek Gods were real, the entire story of the Hindu Mahabarata is real, Platos tales of Atlantis are real, Odin really did sacrifice one of his eyes for wisdom and omniscience. I think the simple truth is that people did (and still do) make stuff up like that. That is not to say that the bible is made up, it does however demonstrate that believing it is true based on the false premise that "people didn't make stuff up like that" will pose a tremendous problem in logical argument.

To relate to the original Question in part.. what are the benefits of teaching evolution in schools?

Although I do not believe in Universal evolution as a governance in everything. it does have a place for study. the class should be more of a theoretical history class. evolution studies have not predicted any next step or future and has not been able to come to a picture of the future for the earth. It doesn't tell you of the future potentials of anything, gives no hope, only history of genetic failures, replacements and extinctions. overall it is pretty grim as a philosophy and incomplete as a science. I believe it should be studied at the university level. but taught as a historical concept for the children, not as facts. the details of evolution will change many times before they are ready to study it in detail objectively. many children's science books still tell of nine planets in our solar system. we know otherwise in the last few years. it is not wise to throw undefined concepts to children as they can barely memorize nine planets let alone understand different classes and dozens of planets..
It is the same with evolution we should teach the basics, but the details will change long before they are able to grasp these deeper concepts. leave the debates at the university level.

The fact both may ask for faith, there is no evidence in the world that may prove or disprove either one of them. If a priest were given all the evidence in the wolrd proving evolution, as long as his faith was strong his mind would overcome it. A person of evolution could see God himself and not believe he exists. My belief is they both have gaps but I believe in both ideas. Evolution could be the proof of what God has created. Evolution and creationism will always be a conflicting subject and you have to have faith in them either one to see the sense in it.

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The difference being the priest would have to consciously ignore scientifically-valid, accurate evidence to arrive at his decision, whereas the scientist would have no evidence given to him to dissuade his position. The two are not even remotely comparable, apart from both scenarios feature people.

Evolution can be demonstrated to be true. We can see that from the masses of evidence we have for it. As for God, well, there isn't a single piece of evidence for him, nor creation as spelled out in Genesis.

Originally posted by melatonin
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That picture sums it all up, it's truly epic !

Nice job. See there's no debating with these fundamentalists, for they did not reason themselves into this position, and you can't argue with someone like that, they have been given (by religious upbringing) a stance on a subject and will only see that stance, and will stick to it..
Even if it means believing paranormal stuff without any evidence whatsoever or if they are shown evidence of the contrary. That's why it's called FAITH.

for me anyone can believe what they want, i for one believe in The Flying Spaghetti Monster, and no-one can debunk it for, just as i cannot debunk any religion. (except for Scientology )


On topic: what makes more SENSE to me and the better part of all people on this planet ? (except off course for Americans who were brought up by fundamentalist Christians)
Evolution Yes, it has gaps, but even with those gaps it makes TONS more sense then some vague omnipotent being that's supposed to be good and fair.... in a world full of war, famine, greed, ...etc

And if there's a creator, then he's flawed, one could just as well make arguments on UNINTELLIGENT DESIGN

Faith does not require SENSE , it requires the opposite!

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ok look guys all evidence points to the bible all evidence points against evolution. No one can find any proof for evolutiont so the book is right there are hundreds of peices of evidenc towards

Originally posted by jedimiller
science is right to a degree. but not 100%. there are certain things Science can't explain. like why do people die? why do people age? Where do we come from?

So, religion is right, because it answers those questions that Science can't.

and I like looking for answers everywhere I can.

Dude, people die for the same reasons cows die, cars stop working, light bulbs burn out... ) Things wear out they physically start to become weak and frail from wear and tear, disease, bad water, bad food . Not to mention car crashes - gun shot wounds...
This is like asking why do people get fat!


People age for the same reasons as, pigs, cows, news papers, paint, pants and wood.
Oxidation, wear and tear, sunlight, free radicals, stress....

Please read , this stuff is not a mystery + your lack of mentality is dangerous - believe in jesus but don't force the make believe on the world... learn god gave you a brain!