Chemtrail Photo, WOW!!!!

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
I have mentioned this on other threads of this topic....

But I live on a military base with military jets flying every day (well, except weekends). I see these trails every day (well, clear days) - especially in the winter when we get well below zero....the trails just linger for very long periods of time.

Then they are not regular contrails....

I search for chemtrail photos and they do NOT look any different then what I see.

And many regular contrails are in fact presented as chem trails so it's not surprising that someone who spends five minutes might not come up with something that leads them to question their views.

So, am I to be told that our military is spraying chemicals over thier own people?
The very people who need to work in order to make up the military?

The same people who injected the US army with the untested ( or god forbid, tested) vaccines that led to the incapacitation of as much as half a million us servicemen since the first war? Why wouldn't they spray you with chemicals?

So am I to be told, that my husband who loads weapons onto these jets is also loading chemicals into special secret compartments, that turn around and spray us the very same day?

I am not sure i believe that these flights are in fact 'regular' flights at all but we all know that depleted uranium isn't really depleted and that people are going sterile if their lucky. Why wouldn't the people who sent US servicemen to get injured or die by the tens of thousands in Iraq not spray their personal with substances that may cause them harm? Do we know for sure that the high altitude chem trail spraying is in fact a far greater health hazard than regular industrial pollution?

I just dont buy into....as I have seen no proof that has sold me to this conspiracy theory.

And i am sure you understand that not having seen the proof does not mean it isn't there to be seen ? Did you look at any of the links i supplied earlier in this thread?

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
Im not an idiot and im not kidding myself.

You does not have to be kidding oneself or be a idiot to be ignorant or just completely misinformed.

So, yeah, everyday they are killing and harming everyone on this base.

They already did that with the vaccines and i doubt the chem trails could do much worse any faster without arousing suspicion... I don't think chem trails are deliberately very dangerous and the health side effects is in my opinion purely coincidental and not something they really care about either way.

They are going to destroy all personnell on this base - the very people that are needed to conduct their killing experiments.

There are millions of working poor who will join the army if sufficient economic pressure is applied.

Oh, and my husband is one of the secret agents that is loading up the jets. Not.

Why do you think he would know exactly what he is doing? Do all the people who works with Uranium know that they are slowly killing themselves?

You would think after many many many many years of these exposures of chemtrails, my husband and I would be laid up in a hospital from all sorts of illnesses or dead.....maybe tomorrow.

And maybe the Chem trails aren't all that poisonous to start with?

*off to find my gas mask*

Probably a good precaution but personally i wouldn't destroy my own career that way.

Stellar

[edit on 9-10-2007 by StellarX]

reply to post by StellarX


Stellar, I see you live in South Africa, and you are always in these chemhoax threads defending that they do exist. So I have a question for you.
Do you honestly think that the US government has the resources, aircraft, and permission to be flying over your country and dumping chemicals?
Just how far is it to the nearest US airbase from South Africa?

The idea that the US is doing this in your area seems pretty far fetched to me.

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
I search for chemtrail photos and they do NOT look any different then what I see. So, am I to be told that our military is spraying chemicals over thier own people? The very people who need to work in order to make up the military?

So am I to be told, that my husband who loads weapons onto these jets is also loading chemicals into special secret compartments, that turn around and spray us the very same day?

I worked for years ground servicing commercial airliners, which are where most of the contrails do come from. Folks wonder why some of us fight about this being a hoax in these threads, and often call us “Agents” because of it, but your in something of the same boat as us. The thing that these Chemhoaxers don’t understand is that the subject is very insulting to the folks who work in those industries, and who spend all their time striving for the safety of the flying public, or in your husbands case, the country. They just don’t get that working on aircraft is a somewhat dangerous job, that folks take pride in doing, and when they accuse us of harming the public, that is quite a slap in the face.


[edit on 10/9/2007 by defcon5]

Of all the chemtrail threads I've read on here, I have yet to hear an even remotely plausible explanation as to what they could possibly be spraying. There seems to be a lack of knowlege of even basic physics. no chemical known to man could deliver a chemical in the manner described. Do you know about wind patterns? aerosol dispersal? Even '___' which has among the lowest effective dose of just about anything other than a few nerve agents, would be lucky to have any effect. All I ask(in this post at least) give me a single probable substance they could be spraying and what they hope to gain by doing so.

Originally posted by random hero
All I ask(in this post at least) give me a single probable substance they could be spraying and what they hope to gain by doing so.

hi there,

i have read that they are supposedly spraying heavy metals, that can then be either used as `ducting` for advanced radar ,and that they can be steered by Scalar technology.
......But i have not seen any REAL PROOF of any of the alleged claims !!

thanks

snoopyuk

reply to post by StellarX


I did not spend 5 min looking at photos. In fact, I have spent days (probably too many) - because this topic is new to me, and of interest to me.

I am not misinformed. Im probably more informed about the goings on w/in the Air Force and my husband's job, then the average civlian.

Why do I think he knows what he is doing? LMAO. Because if he doesnt know what he is doing, he will probably kill the pilot and those around him. Handling bombs and amunition is not a safe job. And stupidity and ignorance and not knowing your job can get you killed. They spent thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars traning him to be good at his job.

Oh, and he doesnt handle Uranium and there is not Uranium on US jets - thanks to the Stark Treaty...and before that treaty it was depleted Uranium.

And yes, I looked at everything. There is absolutely nothing that has been presented that proves the claims being made.

And the Air Force is not easy to get into - these days. And with force shaping, etc etc. They are not going to just start "offing" their own people - just because they can. That is ridiculous.

Anyways, you are entitled to your opinion.

[edit on 11-10-2007 by greeneyedleo]

Originally posted by greeneyedleo

And the Air Force is not easy to get into - these days.
[edit on 11-10-2007 by greeneyedleo]

Well, yes and no. It's pretty easy to get into the air force(or any of the armed forces). However, you're dead on correct that it's not easy to get into the air force and do something important(as it sounds like your husband does). The really critical stuff(like you know, actually flying the planes) is pretty much impossible unless you went to the air force academy, and the air force academy is ridiculously hard to get into.

Originally posted by defcon5
Stellar, I see you live in South Africa, and you are always in these chemhoax threads defending that they do exist. So I have a question for you.

And i don't particularly like getting involved in them but can't help myself when i see so many people that observe them but can't defend their observation in any scientific way!

Do you honestly think that the US government has the resources, aircraft, and permission to be flying over your country and dumping chemicals?

Unless your suggesting that all the pentagon funds is going into corporate pockets i think we can agree that there is money enough for moon bases and vast fleets of drone aircraft and hidden airbases? What can you buy with a coupled hundred billion? If the supposedly broke Russians can hole out a mountain range why wonder about the abilities of the US armed forces?

Just how far is it to the nearest US airbase from South Africa?

I am still undecided as too how many commercial aircraft might be involved but i don't see why drone or modified aircraft can not have a global reach given that the 'equipment' your deploying may be in the fuel...

The idea that the US is doing this in your area seems pretty far fetched to me.

Having frequently engaged you in discussion i know that many relatively well known and validated 'facts' at first seemed far fetched to you.

Stellar

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
I did not spend 5 min looking at photos. In fact, I have spent days (probably too many) - because this topic is new to me, and of interest to me.

Ok then!

I am not misinformed. Im probably more informed about the goings on w/in the Air Force and my husband's job, then the average civlian.

As you should be given a inside source?

Why do I think he knows what he is doing? LMAO. Because if he doesnt know what he is doing, he will probably kill the pilot and those around him.

I suggested that neither party had to be aware of what were in the fuel and that those who actually changed the fuel contents would be pretty stupid to have done it in ways that endangered the aircraft or crew in the short term.

Handling bombs and amunition is not a safe job. And stupidity and ignorance and not knowing your job can get you killed. They spent thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars traning him to be good at his job.

That is surely so but it does not prove that either party needs be aware of the EXACT nature of what they are doing? Did the ground personal who loaded and fueled the B-52's that dropped more ordinance on Laos than were on Germany aware of were those planes were headed or that the US senate were unaware of those operations? Were all or very many US and international investors aware of what later become known as the savings&loan scandal? Why presume that participants are always perfectly well aware of what they are doing?

Oh, and he doesnt handle Uranium and there is not Uranium on US jets - thanks to the Stark Treaty...and before that treaty it was depleted Uranium.

DU is not really as depleted as they wish to make you believe and at least a few airborne weapons do contain so called DU...

And yes, I looked at everything. There is absolutely nothing that has been presented that proves the claims being made.

Which claims and which 'proofs' are you referring to? Did you look at my earlier thread and if so would you please address it more specifically before you just tell me that you do not believe any of it? Which facts do you take issue with?

And the Air Force is not easy to get into - these days. And with force shaping, etc etc. They are not going to just start "offing" their own people - just because they can. That is ridiculous.

Du kills pretty slowly but vaccinates do so much faster and clearly kills as evident by looking at the so called gulf war syndrome.. What do you think causes gulf war syndrome if not the toxic vaccinations.

Anyways, you are entitled to your opinion.

Thanks and i will never question your right to your own! All i am asking is that your denials of generalities become more specific given the very specific nature of the information i introduced earlier.

Stellar

Originally posted by defcon5
reply to post by StellarX

 

Stellar, I see you live in South Africa, and you are always in these chemhoax threads defending that they do exist. So I have a question for you.
Do you honestly think that the US government has the resources, aircraft, and permission to be flying over your country and dumping chemicals?
Just how far is it to the nearest US airbase from South Africa?

The idea that the US is doing this in your area seems pretty far fetched to me.

It doesn't have to be a U.S. airbase, if it's a U.N. depopulation program!
Population control
Did any of you debunkers even look at this site posted on another thread???
What is THAT STUFF coming out of those planes?
YUCK!!!
Here in Georgia, we have the Georgia Guidestones, (tied to the Elite)
with a call for population control and one-world order.
Georgia Guidestones
It's really something!!!

To GreeneyedLeo,
This would NOT be America-loving pilots doing this, Alex Jones has vasts amounts of proof of foriegn troops training with ours.

Here's that link again, I just got the photo on the other one
A pilot's view of CHEMtrails

I JUST took these images outside my townhome...tell me this is a NORMAL contrail...

Well I have plenty of evidence that every airline that flies to Britain or Europe is involved

Originally posted by random hero
Of all the chemtrail threads I've read on here, I have yet to hear an even remotely plausible explanation as to what they could possibly be spraying.

I believe the heavy metals that have been tested for shows that chemtrail laying is entirely related to the electromagnetic warfare between the US and primarily Russia:

"Q: Let me ask you specifically about last week's scare here in Washington, and what we might have learned from how prepared we are to deal with that (inaudible), at B'nai Brith.

A: Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the intelligence community, we had something called -- and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves."

So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important.

DoD News Briefing
Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen

I don't see how any country on Earth but Russia can protect the infrastructure that is required for these types of weapons so that's why i would watch them.

There seems to be a lack of knowlege of even basic physics. no chemical known to man could deliver a chemical in the manner described.

Presuming that it is intended primarily to harm human beings which is pretty stupid given that you can instead just poison the water we drink without making it so easily observable.

Probably the best-known of the aerial geoengineering proposals was that put forward in 1997 by Edward Teller and entitled ‘Global Warming and the Ice Ages: Prospects for Physics-Based Modulation of Global Change’ subsequently popularised in the Wall Street Journal in an article entitled ‘The Planet Needs a Sunscreen’.

Teller proposed deliberate, large-scale introduction of reflective particles into the upper atmosphere, a task he claimed could be achieved for less than $1 billion a year, between 0.1 and 1.0 percent of the $100 billion he estimated it would cost to bring fossil fuel usage in the United States back down to 1990 levels, as required by the Treaty of Kyoto.

Characteristic of the politics of Teller is the fact that he both ridiculed the idea of global warming and at the same time put forward what he represented as a solution to global warming. ‘For some reason,’ Teller observed sarcastically, ‘This option isn't as fashionable as all-out war on fossil fuels and the people who use them.’

www.spectrezine.org...

Cloud stimulation by provision of cloud condensation nuclei appears to be a feasible and low-cost option capable of being used to mitigate any quantity of CO2 equivalent per year. Details of the cloud physics, verification of the amount of CCN to be added for a particular degree of mitigation, and the possible acid rain or other effects of adding CCN over the oceans need to be investigated before such system is put to use. Once a decision has been made, the system could be mobilized and begin to operate in a year or so, and mitigation effects would be immediate. If the system were stopped, the mitigation effect would presumably cease very rapidly, within days or weeks, as extra CCN were removed by rain and drizzle.

Several schemes depend on the effect of additional dust (or possibly soot) in the stratosphere or very low stratosphere screening out sunlight. Such dust might be delivered to the stratosphere by various means, including being fired with large rifles or rockets or being lifted by hydrogen or hot-air balloons. These possibilities appear feasible, economical, and capable of mitigating the effect of as much CO2 equivalent per year as we care to pay for. (Lifting dust, or soot, to the tropopause or the low stratosphere with aircraft may be limited, at low cost, to the mitigation of 8 to 80 Gt CO2 equivalent per year.) Such systems could probably be put into full effect within a year or two of a decision to do so, and mitigation effects would begin immediately. Because dust falls out naturally, if the delivery of dust were stopped, mitigation effects would cease within about 6 months for dust (or soot) delivered to the tropopause and within a couple of years for dust delivered to the midstratosphere.

books.nap.edu...

Do you know about wind patterns? aerosol dispersal? Even '___' which has among the lowest effective dose of just about anything other than a few nerve agents, would be lucky to have any effect.

As you never bothered to address my post earlier it's slightly surprising that you are focusing your attention on the people who do get sick from the heavy metals in contrails and thus believe that to be their primary intent.

All I ask(in this post at least) give me a single probable substance they could be spraying and what they hope to gain by doing so.

I think they are spraying those reflective substances so as to form a better radar picture of the energy that is electromagnetically being introduced into the North American skies...

If you are uncertain how energy can be transmitted without wires i can refer you to some earlier posts of mine.

Thanks

Stellar

Originally posted by coastlinekid
I JUST took these images outside my townhome...tell me this is a NORMAL contrail...

Do you really want me to answer that? I guess it's one of those things that come with years of experience?

To me (not anything near an expert) they just look like normal contrails.

Originally posted by Clearskies
To GreeneyedLeo,
This would NOT be America-loving pilots doing this, Alex Jones has vasts amounts of proof of foriegn troops training with ours.

Oh, I know. I live on base and frequently see foreigners here during joint exercises

reply to post by Johnmike

That is because they have been doing this for so long,...people are used to seeing them...

Keep your eyes peeled. when you watch movies,videos on TV, you start to notice them more and more.

Then be mindful of pre 70's movies or images... not so common are they?...

We are talking about an operation that has been ongoing for decades...

Just know people are taking notice...no wonder they are so ARROGANT about denying it!...

Originally posted by coastlinekid

Then be mindful of pre 70's movies or images... not so common are they?...

How many airliners flew per day in 1967 compared with 2007?

Bit like saying there are a lot more 'supposed' satellites seen passing over in the night sky now than there were in the 1960s ......

But if anyone can debunk the conventional meteorlogical explanation for 'chemtrails', and their long time existence, I'm waiting to hear from you in the seperate thread I started ....

Originally posted by the animator
ide just like to add that my dad was an air engineer & pointed out to me that aircraft are only allowed to land with a certain amount of fuel on board. so high altitude contrails normaly behind the engines. & jets are only glorified crop sprayers.
also watch some big aircraft as they approach the airport, on things like 747 kinda size they all dump fuel from there wing tips wich i think tends to look more chemtrail rather than contrail.
every airplane dumping fuel all over the world is a lot dumped polution.

Aircraft are restricted to a certian weight on landings, but they almost never dump fuel. Some planes don't even have that ability anymore like the A319's. Jet A is not cheap and at a time when the airlines are cost cutting anywhere they can, I find it highly unlikely that they would want fuel to be dumped for any reason other then an emergency. I recall the Jet Blue plane that had to fly around for a few hours to burn off enough fuel so it wouldn't break the gear. It had no means to dump the fuel.

American Airlines has a policy of taxiing planes with only one engine. The other engine being left at idle. The idea is to save as much gas as possible. Airlines also try to put only enough fuel on board to make their destination plus the required reserve. A lighter plane gets to altitude faster where it can cruise more effeciently, thus saving more fuel.

The most likely explaination for what you see coming off the wing tips of a large airplane just before it lands is water vapour in the air that is being condensed at the tips of the wings where a vortex is generated. Temperature and humidity are directly related to whether or not these can be seen.

Contrails work on the same principal. Although at higher altitudes they are seen forming 20 to 80 feet behind the engine exhaust. They are also subject to temperature of the air and the water vapour or ice crystals in it.
Air temperature changes at high altitude all the time, so does wind speed and water vapour. These changes are why you may see an airplane create a contrail that seems to appear and then go away, as if someone was switching the smoke machine on and off.

[edit on 25-10-2007 by assassini]