Minot Air Force Base Airman Dies on Leave

Suicide rate in US Army at highest in 26 years

Bring the troops home. Ron Paul 2008. Thanks.

Official news report from the Air Force Times:

www.airforcetimes.com...

Just a thought here...

Maybe because he was involved with the security of the nuke's and the whole transportation of these nuke's was i big blunder by the air force, he and others where accountable for such a big security mishap and knew tha the was gonna get into serious trouble with the military and possibly get some jail time for potentially putting the nation at risk!

i try not to jump in too deep with a CT before some more info comes to light, but on another note these other deaths are too much of a coincidence to be totally innocent!

Ahum.

What happened to that first post on this page 2, which was still there some minutes ago, and now has totally disappeared?

This seems to be an administrator delete, since, IMO, members can not delete their posts totally. There's always a blank post left, as far as I have seen here and on other boards.

The poster gave 4 links to 4 deaths of Minot AFB airmen.

One Minot AFB Airman, 20 years old, reported on Jul 5, 2007
( www.kxmc.com... )
Sep 15, 2007 10:16AM Associated Press
Driver in fatal crash charged with negligent homicide.
( www.kxmc.com... )

One B52 Minot AFB pilot, 28 years old, reported on Jul 20, 2007
( www.bismarcktribune.com... )

Then Todd Blue's death,
( www.kxmc.com... )
and another one I could not grab from this original first post on this page 2, because it is totally absent now (I refreshed the original page 2, sadly).
I will find the reports of that 4th death, if necessary.

reply to post by LaBTop


Which post was deleted? Didn't catch it.

Tofu9 also noted it :

Quote : "" i try not to jump in too deep with a CT before some more info comes to light, but on another note these other deaths are too much of a coincidence to be totally innocent!""

Originally posted by jfj123
Could this be just an unfortunate coincidence?

Abcolutely a coincidence. Oddly enough we get claims from posters like kbella08 who claim they knew him and he did commit suicide and futher claimed his memoral service was today or yesterday yet the local newspaper for the area has no obit on him.

Here do a search for the past 20 or thirty days with his name and you get zip results.

www.legacy.com...

reply to post by LaBTop


I researched all of the recent deaths and gave reasons why all of which indicated there was nothing wrong with the deaths at all. you can find my reply here

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Note the one motorcycle death of a pilot was not noted but the rest are even one that has nothing to do with Minot/Barksdale at all.

reply to post by Bhadhidar


The answer is yes Bhadhidar! A big yes.

As a former nuclear weapons guard, I was put into the PRP program. The Personal Reliability Program. You don't just get signed off, you are evaluated over time. It is also your duty to turn yourself in if you feel any mental health issues, or suffer from any other personal problems. It is a very strict program, and it follows you where ever you go on or off base.

I'm not even going to speculate about the death here. I'm am very saddened by this story.

Also, I am very curious about the missing post if there is one.


Edit for spelling.



[edit on 16-9-2007 by seawolf197]

I like to point you at this post at Cryptogon, which gives a reason to think that Todd Blue was assigned to "Protect nuclear and conventional weapons storage areas along with B-52 and all other transient aircraft assigned to restricted areas." :

Source: cryptogon.com...

#4. tito Says:
September 15th, 2007 at 1:41 am

www.minot.af.mil...
says
Airman 1st Class Todd Blue, 20, was a response force member assigned to the 5th Security Forces Squadron.

googling “5th security forces” air force “response force”

brings up a link to this guys resume
smarthunt.com...

Reading this other guy’s resume, he references his experience serving in Minot ND as including

· Protected nuclear and conventional weapons storage areas along with B-52 and all other transient aircraft assigned to restricted areas.

· Maintained security for Department of Energy overland shipments of Protection Level I (PL I) weapons and critical components.

· Provided security for alert, non-alert, transient aircraft and a PL I Weapons Storage Area (WSA).
· Regularly inspected base and WSA facilities to ensure compliance with security standards.
· Responded to alarms inside and outside of the WSA and took necessary actions to neutralize threats directed at resources and personnel.
· Controlled entry and maintained security for close-in security areas. Responsible for entry control of vehicles, equipment and personnel to PL I WSA.
culvert/concealment checks of PL I WSA to deter and detect threats.

I know this is not the resume of the deceased, but it is reasonable to assume that these duties would be within the same scope (or at least neighborhood) as they served in a similarly titled unit on the Minot base.

So….


#5. Kevin Says:
September 15th, 2007 at 4:45 am

Guys, when I wrote, “Airman 1st Class Todd Blue was assigned to the unit that provides security for that bomber wing at Minot Air Force base,” I based that statement on:

minot.af.mil — Units — 5th Bomb Wing Units. On minot.af.mil/units/5bwunits.asp, you see:

The 5th Mission Support Group… consist of the 5th Civil Engineer Squadron, 5th Communications Squadron, 5th Force Support Squadron and 5th Security Forces Squadron, 5th Contracting Squadron and 5th Logistics Readiness Squadron.

Tito’s find backs up the obvious assumption that a security unit that is assigned to a B-52 bomber wing is going to be responsible for nuclear weapons.

www.wsws.org...
WSWS : News & Analysis : North America
Media, politicians maintain silence on flight of US nuclear bomber.

There's a LOT of propaganda effort pumped in the Media to give the voters some faith back :

www.kxmc.com...
Training for a B-52 Ride, Sept 12.
www.kxmc.com...

and the actual flight :
www.kxmc.com...
Flying on a B-52 Bomber, Sept 13.
www.kxmc.com...

reply to post by St Udio

Udio was this your quote?

and i seriously doubt that the '5th Force' had any handling of nuke tipped cruise missiles as part of their expertise...let alone even being assigned to even perimeter guard duty, around the questioned B-52 being loaded with missiles...there would be a special Team or Squad
for that operation.

If not, whoever quoted that is wrong but kinda right. This subject hits near home for me and that is why I make it my first post. I was stationed as an SP where we did extensive training with, supportfor, and overwatch of protection level one resources very similar to what the 5th was responsible for. Contrary to popular belief the "special teams" that guard these resources usually are the flights that have the day off when a "movement" is scheduled, or they are the flight that has the most experience in doing so. Usually it is just the flight that is off because they constantly work around resources like this, and have to be QC'ed and under the PRP program to be in the movement serurity team. Being part of these units basically makes you eligible to provide the security for because if you didnt qualify they send you somewhere else.
Being a cop in the AF wasnt a glamorous job but I loved it. I got to do a lot of cool things and also see a lot of cool things. You could be stationed at Lackland waving gates all day, or you could be stationed somewhere you could practice tactics all day and be certified to be part of a large unit that handles security for protection level one resources day in day out.
So it could have been very possible for this kid to be working security for this type of movement and even the upload part of it. Especially if he was Sierra Hotel and motivated to do more than sit in a truck all day.
As to him being part of some sinister plan, who knows. But if his parents were around and he just got in an argument about his fiancee or whatever, keep in mind that the highest suicide rate is a cop in the military having problems with his girlfriend or wife. That was always drilled in our heads as part of our suicide awareness training that occupied our downtime when other things like conducting movements wasnt.
Let us all respect this kid and not try to tie him to something crazy. I know we all have our opinions, but even if it was something that our "evil government" was up to, would we ever know? Let my SP brother rest in peace no matter how he died.

Originally posted by LaBTop
I like to point you at this post at Cryptogon, which gives a reason to think that Todd Blue was assigned to "Protect nuclear and conventional weapons storage areas along with B-52 and all other transient aircraft assigned to restricted areas." :

You cannot go on job descriptions alone in this case. The very same unit is also responsible for missle silo defenses.

www.minot.af.mil...

The group's 1,600 military and civilian members serve the 5th Bomb Wing, 91st Space Wing and other assigned tenant units -- approximately 12,000 people. The 5th MSG consist of the 5th Civil Engineer Squadron, 5th Communications Squadron, 5th Force Support Squadron and 5th Security Forces Squadron, 5th Contracting Squadron and 5th Logistics Readiness Squadron.

[edit on 9/16/2007 by shots]

This link
www.wsws.org...
provided quite some interesting footnotes from (former) Air Force personnel :

One place where the event has been given extensive attention is on the readers’ forum page of the Military Times web site, which headlines the section “Mistake or message.” Some 500 items have been posted, in many cases by people identifying themselves as former Air Force personnel who were involved in the US nuclear strike force. A substantial share of these postings sharply question the official story floated by the Pentagon.

Former B-52 chief: “What the hell happened here?”

Please read the full article.

Mod Edit: Trimmed excessive copy/paste external source material.

If you feel inclined to make the board aware of information from other sites; please post one or two paragraphs, a link to the entire story, AND your opinion, twist or take on the item as a means to inspire discussion or collaborative research on your subject.

[edit on 16-9-2007 by UM_Gazz]

reply to post by shots


i started my clearence in basic in april of ....when i got to my third techschool in august of that same year....i was told that i had my clearence...

and according to my family and friends....they did a good job ....apparently the only time they talked to my refrences....was to ask for names of people i knew....not already written down....

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people assigned to the 55th security forces arent all going to be guarding the NAOC....or fighter aircraft.....or even our recon forces.....if they're assigned...they'll prolly get gate guard...and such lowly duties until they've got the rank to make someone else do it...(this is equal to comparing someone in the the 5th sfs is going to guard an asset that's part of the the 5th wing....)

and suicides....(if that's what this was)....happen often in the airforce without warning....that's why i have to go to some stupid suicide brief at least twice a year....on how i can check on my buddy to make sure he's not about to off himself....

and suicide rates....like divorce rates....are much higher in the military....

reply to post by LaBTop


Excellent post!

It would seem impossible that even one nuke could have been mistakenly released, transported to the the flight line and loaded onto a plane without potentially dozens of trained people knowing exactly what was happening.


Question


Any ideas as to the procedures and/or protocols enforced to insure that a particular warhead is correctly recorded by its serial code number before it is transported to a military storage facility?

Could some on hack into the Pentex data base and "juggle the (serial) numbers"?

Originally posted by hybridx

Contrary to popular belief the "special teams" that guard these resources usually are the flights that have the day off when a "movement" is scheduled, or they are the flight that has the most experience in doing so.

thanks for helping fill in some of the gaps in our (civvies) knowledge of procedures...


but there's a reason why i suggested that there were dedicated Teams
involved with the transfer of these 'resources'...

see, other information on the net, puts forth the allegation that several, if not many,
nuke weapons have been secretly moved to other places, including the staging area at Barkdale LA... so if this was a not an isolated 'mistake'
but a secret 'repositioning' which may involve dozens or scores of low yield nukes, then a tested & failsafed operation would have been created
which did not involve anyone less than the elite corps of transfer specialists...
let's say this group is on constant TDY (temporary duty),

no-one, even accidently, is figured to penetrate their security operations.
as everyone is kept at a 'distance' both physically and literally as they would remain out of the 'chain-of-command' Loop.

Very good thinking, St Udio.

And this firm could aid in such a nefarious scheme :
www.abovetopsecret.com...

See what happens? See what happens Lebowski? When you impede the march of imperialism ...er, I mean, the march of freedom (theyre listening and watching our every move)...

[edit on 16-9-2007 by pluckynoonez]

Ok so this is a litle off topic now. But let me add to what I said earlier. NO ONE takes a protection level I resource from anywhere where there is a MUNS squadron or a Security Forces squadron without BOTH squadrons knowing of it. There is no way for it happen period, even if a "special team" came in and got it legitimately. There are many MANY steps to aquiring them. So that is why I feel there was no special anything to this. It was simply a way to get the ACM's to Barksdale fast. For what reason I dont know, and no one else does for that matter. Not trying to get into any kind of peeing match with anyone nor am I trying to be the all knowing military guy. I am just saying things like this probably happen more than anyone knows.
So back on subject, lets let this kid rest in piece and leave any kind of conspiracy surrounding his death go unless you can provide had evidence of foul play.

reply to post by hybridx


Foul play? You think Dick Cheney plays fair? he is Satan's favorite pupil.