Simple way to tell if a UFO is genuine or not...IMO

Originally posted by RiotComingAccording to Bob Dean on the new Project Camelot video, they have no ill intent at all. This was according to the findings of a classified 1964 report he read personally. He said that when (famous astronaut) Gordon Cooper conversed with an alien, the being said that 'they were neither for us nor against us'. You can check out the video to find out more.

Interestingly, he also refers to the ETs as the 'zookeepers' and we are just animals in the 'zoo'. We are a million years behind these races in terms of technology, culture - everything. Now, it raised my attention when I read Thill's analogy of driving on safari in Africa and turning off lights for the tigers - the whole zoo-and-the-zookeepers thing sprung to mind. We have so many of these things flying around, being caught and sighted - I just don't think they care an awful lot either way, we are just like animals to them, you know? They observe, they interact but not overtly so. We're just this huge beautiful zoo to them. Thus, in my opinion, this rule of thumb for validating sightings is fundamentally flawed.

My opinion for validating sightings might be flawed but I believe it has just as much merit as your belief that a astronaut actually talked to a alien.
The flaw in your logic is that IF true and we are like a 'zoo' to these advanced aliens then why converse with us?

When we are watching other animals in the wild we don't try and converse with the elephants and zebras, we quietly and silently watch them. We don't even use flashing and blinking lights at night, we use infrared light so the animals cannot detect us.

It is not "my belief", it was Bob Dean, who was a close friend of Gordon Cooper. Watch the video, listen to his story, he's the guy who treats it as "a fact". Why? Because he experienced it. For me, it's a nice story that tees up 100% with what I already suspect regarding the ET subject. The Disclosure Project provides further testimony that they are neutral observers. As do the testimony of contactees on this board who insist the beings are non-threatening.

However, this is going off-topic. But I strongly suggest you read and watch the testimony of people who DO in fact know more about this than we would ever envisage. And also of the people posting on your thread itself who have SEEN these things at first hand - lights and all - and they fully believe what they saw.. you won't convince them otherwise. Why? Because they know for a fact because they experienced it first hand.

The flaw in your logic is that IF true and we are like a 'zoo' to these advanced aliens then why converse with us?

I assume, you've had a pet some time in your life. I do. I have a cat sitting with me right now, I have 2 cats and a dog. I converse with them, and they understand me. They do. I have a passion, a natural instinct, to communicate with them, even though they are just animals. Even if it's to gain an empathy, an understanding. Love. To love your pets.. all of that.

Now, I realise not all humans are capable of the most civil open-minded discussion, but we are... capable... of semi-intelligent conversation. Now you ask the reason WHY they would want to communicate with us? The reason is simple, and it's another thing Bob Dean says - because we are their family. We are their brothers and sisters.

This may come a shock to you, but one of the things Bob Dean says in this video is that we originated as genetically engineered hybriid beings and the evidence for this also comes from crash retrieval sites where all the ET, in spite of the different races, all had humanoid features - some close enough to walk among us. I know this is a difficult thing to take, but this is part of the secrecy that the secret governments of this world don't want you to know. It would destroy all religion, our divisions, change the world as we know it. For the better, in my opinion. Think of ET as the sperm donors and you're the adopted kid who will never get to know his real parents. That's the best analogy I could bring. We can communicate, because we are related - the only difference is, we are yet to evolve and ascend as a species.

[edit on 16-9-2007 by RiotComing]

I did write this before that we are to them as animals are to us.

Some are there testing specimens, some there pets and others left to roam.

The ships can be just about anything they want them to be. They can run lights that will form any air transportation we have here on Earth. They can project themselves to be airplanes, helicopters and they can also mimic the sounds to go with it.

Example you can be watching what you think a airplane going by. It has the correct lights running then it just drops slightly and continues on. They do this three or four times with one light dimming each drop then it just stops and you will see a light yellow/golden light which now you would think a star.

I have repeated myself many times that all those stars up there you look at aren't really stars.

If a plane goes by they can just blink on and follow it then they can blink out.

They can do just about anything they want people usually just stand there scratching there head then move on.

Originally posted by RiotComing
It is not "my belief", it was Bob Dean, who was a close friend of Gordon Cooper. Watch the video, listen to his story, he's the guy who treats it as "a fact". Why? Because he experienced it. For me, it's a nice story that tees up 100% with what I already suspect regarding the ET subject. The Disclosure Project provides further testimony that they are neutral observers. As do the testimony of contactees on this board who insist the beings are non-threatening.

I realize you were talking about Bob Dean but you wrote your post in such a way that it appeared you definitely agreed with him and believed him. If this is not the case then I am sorry for implying such.

Read what I said again. I said that "it tees up 100% with what I suspect regarding the ET subject". Now, do I agree with him... or not?

Please do not play silly games of semantics with me. The video is there. Watch the video. Form a perspective. Change your view of life. I've said what I need to say. Cheers.

Originally posted by RiotComing
Read what I said again. I said that "it tees up 100% with what I suspect regarding the ET subject". Now, do I agree with him... or not?

Please do not play silly games of semantics with me. The video is there. Watch the video. Form a perspective. Change your view of life. I've said what I need to say. Cheers.

Huh?
I'm not playing any games.
1st you said that it was not your thoughts and it was Bob Dean's so I said I was sorry if I implied you believed him because I thought you did. How is this playing games? I said sorry.

Then you come back with what quoted above and now you really have me confused. It seems as though you are playing games so I will ask you straight up:
Do you believe what you posted in the post regarding Bob Dean and the talking to aliens? It's a simple yes or no question since you are being wierd and ambiguous about it.

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Originally posted by DoctorWho
I just wanted to say hello to my 4th incarnation and ask how's the old scarf?
Bill "the Doctor"

It's hangin'!!

I am not being weird or ambiguous. My last post made that quite clear. You've tried to make it look like the "astronaut talking to alien" thing was some stupid half-assed fantasy I've read off the internet and believe hook line and sinker. That was how I felt you were trying to make it look.

My perspective is these are very highly-regarded men who have seen and experienced much more than you or I could ever see, so what I believe doesn't matter. You should be more concerned with researching these guys and less concerned with dealing with what I think.

[edit on 16-9-2007 by RiotComing]

Originally posted by RiotComingMy perspective is these are very highly-regarded men who have seen and experienced much more than you or I could ever see, so what I believe doesn't matter. You should be more concerned with researching these guys and less concerned with dealing with what I think.

Unfortunately, I cannot converse with 'those' guys so I have to talk to others like yourself who are posting. This is not a criticism, but perhaps you should express 'YOUR' personal beliefs regarding these types of issues and not other peoples. This way there will not be any mix up regarding whether or not it was your opinion.

You still did not answer the question. YES or NO
Do you believe 'those' guys regarding the conversing with aliens?

[edit on 16-9-2007 by 4thDoctorWhoFan]

Why would they even care? In an instant they can be elsewhere it would be of little concern to them.
Also various reports of the way the UFO glows is a side effect of its propulsion system. I think your mistaking lights for something else, probably aircraft IMO *shrugs*

Of coures, if you wanted to look at it from another angle, when do we run without lights?

Only when we're on a war footing or doing reconnaissance/covert surveillance.

It's entirely possible that there are different races visiting us, who each have different intent.

High in the upper atmosphere their lights are for mimicing stars.

30 thousand feet and below, illumination and energy beams or a combo of both are used to:

Make their presence known, see through and extract solid matter by sample earths biology. It's kind of like a highly advanced, highy sensitive, electron microscope that happens to fly.

They don't use radio's and transmitters as we know. All their communication is done either telepathically or with light wave energy that can be as subtle as a babies touch or powerful enough to leave our galaxy.

But mosty, they are trying to blend in with our aircraft.

Speaking from my point of view, and I am not trying to convince anyone but I know they are here, and I know I’m not mad because all the time I read about people that have had the same kind of events happen to them I would be open to other possibilities sleep paralysis waking dream ect. But the pudding for me is in the details, when I read or hear of other people’s experiences that seals it for me.
I don’t need a government body to tell me what is real and what isn’t; I know what happens to me.
Never before in all of our history have we been in a situation where so many people’s testimonies are disregarded and made to feel like a cook just by telling the god’s honest truth about what happened to them, everything to lose and nothing to gain.... and yet they still keep talking, weird huh.
The only thing crazier than that would be tens of thousands of people all over the world telling the same story and nobody believing them, who are you more likely to trust, thousands of average everyday people? ... Or the American government?
As for why they dont come out publicly
one reason may be, there is a cataclysmic event coming that will cause a great deal of damage and loss of life in biblical proportions, I don’t think I would want to be a messenger in that case.
What would be the best way to introduce an alien species to the populous, in one word "acclimatization" you make your presence known then wait for feedback from the populous see how they are receiving the idea, are they responding in a hostile manner? Are they blaming the aliens for all the wrong in the world? Are they responding positively to them? Is there a risk of bacterial contamination? Is their a risk of cultural contamination? Are there certain obligations that must be honored once contact has been initiated? These are questions that we would ask if the situation was reversed, at least I hope they would

Originally posted by wildone106
I think your mistaking lights for something else, probably aircraft IMO *shrugs*

Thats my point.

Originally posted by 4thDoctorWhoFan

Originally posted by wildone106
I think your mistaking lights for something else, probably aircraft IMO *shrugs*

Thats my point.

But what if it's 100ft away on a clear cloudless day, and it's not a balloon, a helicopter, a plane or a bird? And it has a light?

Originally posted by wigit
But what if it's 100ft away on a clear cloudless day, and it's not a balloon, a helicopter, a plane or a bird? And it has a light?

I don't know, perhaps some sort of a military experimental craft. I would have to see it to tell you what it was.

[edit on 16-9-2007 by 4thDoctorWhoFan]

From all the UFO docs Ive watched it seems quite clear that there are MANY races of aliens visiting from space and other dimensions and Im sure most dont care or even think for a monet they need to turn on their invisibility fields etc because they are just having a quick fly by of the earth. But yeah Its anyones guess why some ufo`s can only be seen with infra-red and others make no attempt to hide themself. My theory is they reveal their ship most of the time because they want people to wake up to the fact their are other life forms visiting.

This is only a speculation, but I'd like to give my two cents as to why some ET UFOs may have lights:

I've heard before that some ET's are very spiritual beings and only develop technology as a means to progress spiritually. With that said, maybe the aliens have used the same space craft for hundreds, or even thousands of years, not seeing it necessary to get rid of the lights because they aren't spiritually ready to develop some new spacecraft technology. It's may be an arbitrary detail that doesn't need to be "fixed". Perhaps these space craft have been utilized on their own planets for transportation for centuries, and traffic lights were needed to navigate safely at the time.

I don't really agree with the OP on this one, we don't even know who "they" are or even if they exist so we can't really say much as we do not know how they think. The lights could be there for many reasons that we probably have not even thought about because we know nothing about their vehicles.
As someone has already mentionned they might not be bothered one little bit about being seen.
What i'am getting at is if their vehicles have light or not we still don't know anything about them, so if they do have lights it hasen't changed anything for us, as we have not yet been able to discover them anyway...

(don't if you understand what i'am trying to say )

If anything, I would think that the ones without the lights, are manmade vehicles, as they are the only ones who have to stay secret, coz the man who made them knows that other men can not discover their vehicles or they would be in big trouble, as opposed to "aliens" who might not know a thing about us and are just observing us like we observe insects.



[edit on 17-9-2007 by WeSbO]