Germany?

how come germany got so far in technology when they were nazis? im jw seems kinda odd that they had all this good stuff back then that we still have today...

they had a running start. they saw the advantage airplanes have and the saw the advantages armor has. thats all. they like things "grosser und besser" than every one else

They had huge numbers of scientists working for them.
Constantly doing research, things to better Germany especially in warfare.

Germany as a country was never better off than it was under the NAZI's and never has been since (unfortunately many of innocent people had to die for no reason for it to be such a productive company)... so long as you weren't a jew, a jehovas witness, disabled, and many other things (basically if you were 'aryan') germny would've been a top place to live... but if you werent aryan... it kinda sucked to be quite frank... but the germans were the most productive nation when the NAZI's came in... Hitler saved their economy and built them, once again, from nothing into a feared european power

The Germans have always been meticulous about science. They'll research a subject/technology, re-research it, and re-research it again to perfection. Anyone who has lived there knows that much about them. Their scientists are brilliant.

But what is sad, even to this day, is that modern medicine is based in large part on the experiments the sick scientists performed on their unwilling subjects.

The Kindergeld Program(started by Hitler, awarding women with cash for 'breeding'), is still in effect today.

Warfare has always been the Germans forte. The Romans couldn't conquer them. The Huns couldn't conquer them. The Mongols were stopped by them. The Vikings, for the most part, went around the Germanic tribes, into Gaul and the rest of Europe.

They developed unprecedented weapons before and during different wars. Big Bertha, poison gas, the rocket, blitzkrieg warfare, jet propulsion to name a few.

Their generals during the first and second world wars were brilliant. Europe was pretty much owned by Germany, until the sheer numbers of American and Soviet troops entered the war.

The Kindergeld Program(started by Hitler, awarding women with cash for 'breeding'), is still in effect today.

Wasn't this the program to breed aryan's

Hitler was into the occult...does anyone know of the 300 Tibetan monks found slain in Berlin after the war? Is this rumor?

Originally posted by razorbackhater
The Kindergeld Program(started by Hitler, awarding women with cash for 'breeding'), is still in effect today.

Wasn't this the program to breed aryan's

Hitler was into the occult...does anyone know of the 300 Tibetan monks found slain in Berlin after the war? Is this rumor?

Yes, the program was started to breed 'pure-bloods'. But after the war, the German poulation was decreasing, not increasing. During the 70's Germany imported 1000's of foriegn workers(mainly from Turkey) to fill vacant job positions. Paying mothers to have children is one way to support population growth.

Originally posted by nathraq


Paying mothers to have children is one way to support population growth.

But in reality, you have nothing left from the Kindergeld. The Kindergeld is a Finacial Support from the Government to buy Food and clothes for your children.

The Germans had a very effective university system from the 1870s onward that taught cutting edge science.

The successive governments supported the institutes set up for research into applied and theoretical science, especially if there were possible future military applications.

After versaille treaty, disarmanent following WW-I and the political turmoil of the 1920s- Hitler promised to rebuild German industry and military power.

A high percentage of German weapons used in WW-II were developed and tested in the mid 1930s.

Due to Hitlers pogrom against the Jews many of Germanys and Europes best theroetical scientists emigrated to the west. (later to work on manhatten project) Thus crippling the German research on atomic energy and weapons.

In the years 1939-1943 many advanced weapons were designed but not brought to fruition because Hitler believed the war would be over before they could be fielded.

Suprisingly German industry was not fully converted to an all out war footing until 1943 after the defeat at Stalingrad and the increase in allied bombing of germany.

Many of the so called "Wonder Weapons" development and construction lagged behind conventional weapons manufacture until it was apparent to the Germans that a longer offensive or ultimately a defensive war had to be fought.

The German army started the war with an advantage in tactical planning at every level and had fielded the best automatic weapons in quanity and quality at the start.

France actually had more and better tanks but their use in infantry support role spread them far to thin to stop concentrated German advance.

The surprise met in Russia upon the discovery of the T-34 prompted the development of Tiger I and Panther tanks
only in response to the T-34.

The Luftwaffe was effective in tactical role of close support of Army offensives, This role only required relatively short range fighters in the air superiority role and medium range bomber aircraft.

With the onset of defeat on the battlefields of Russia, civilian and industrial losses in Germany Hitler became focused on the goal of "Revenge" and weapons that would allow Germany to prevail due to superiority.

The ME-262 is a classic example of the folly in Germanys top down procurement decisions. When Hitler was first shown this fighters capability the war in the east appeared to be winable, Hitler requested the 262 be developed as a tactical fighter/bomber that would strike terror in the Russian ranks.

If original plans had been undisturbed the ME-262 could possibly have been fielded in quanity as early as spring 1943 at a time when Germany had the pilots and fuel to mount missions that could have decimated allied bomber forces prior to P-51 escort deployment.

Early deployment and massive of the ME-262 most likely would have delayed the Normandy invasion by a year until US was ready with the Atomic bomb.

If air superiority had been regained in the east in mid 1943.
The Russians probably would have been held up at the Ukraine due to losses sustained by unchallenged german tactical aircraft.

In my opinion germany missing this one aircraft at the right time prevented it from having resources and time to make operational all the rest of the amazing weapons still on the drawing board at wars end - much to our benefit after the war.

Speculating I wonder what would have happened if the US had to use its limited quanity of Atomic bombs (2-3) on Germany instead of Japan.

Could the B-29s have gotten through the more effective German defense's, would Hitler have absorbed the losse's and continued fighting.

Did the US have the ability to make enough A-bombs to prevent the invasion of Japan planned for 1946 with Germany possibly still in the war with advanced weapons including ICBM and SAM missles in her inventory.

Germany realized early that they were going to be engaged against most of the world let alone all of Europe and USSR. Since they were out numbered, Hitler invested quite a bit in technology through advanced science. Higher education and the pooling of brilliant minds under the Riech supplied the manpower. They used slave labor from the concentration camps to test and build weapons. They knew conventional army would not be enough to sustain the kind of world domination and conquest they wanted. So as previously stated they got a jump start on it.

[Edited on 21-1-2004 by dreamrebel]

Originally posted by CrazyChris

Originally posted by nathraq


Paying mothers to have children is one way to support population growth.

But in reality, you have nothing left from the Kindergeld. The Kindergeld is a Finacial Support from the Government to buy Food and clothes for your children.

We had money left over. We were getting around 250 Euro per kid. We have three. That was the rent money right there. I worked full time, and my wife part time. From a family's third child and up, schooling(books and such) are free, plus the annual stipend you receive up to age two for baby neccessities. That's in addition to the kindergeld. Plus, when we go back to Germany, I plan on buying a house. Another annual stipend in the pocket, just for being a homeowner and having kids.

Originally posted by razorbackhater
Hitler was into the occult...does anyone know of the 300 Tibetan monks found slain in Berlin after the war? Is this rumor?

Yes...I remember hearing about this on the History Channel, but I thought the Russians killed them and they were found somewhere in Russia, not Germany.

I heard a story of u.s. soldiers finding dead bodies with strange clothing on. Maybe they could be the Tibetan monks?

If anybody likes to know something that typically defines Germany then try to get a copy of the german tax law - I once read it is as big as all tax laws from all other countries all over the world.

but now comments to some replies:

@masterofpuppets
War was the accelerator. It was a massive war machinery going on including many many technology which has been developed.

@KrazyIvan
That was true for Hitler. He planned mixtures of old Rome architecture and a little bit of the Egypts.

Now this has changed, I see the "bigger" as all others trend being left or let's better say moved to the USA and China. More to China meanwhile.

@nathraq
The Kindergeld program is still in effect to encourage people to get a baby. At least in Germany a kid is a financial risk for many people, the Kindergeld supports young families.
But it is far away from what Hitler thought of it: You breed Arians and get some money for it.

But what is sad, even to this day, is that modern medicine is based in large part on the experiments the sick scientists performed on their unwilling subjects.

I don't know where you got this from but it's not true. For sure in the KZs there have been awful testings with human live but nowadays it takes as a minimum 10 years to get a medicine to the market. And at least 4-6 years to start with testing it with humans and then only under strong security measures.

And we didn't import people! You say it like we got them into country like they are simple goods!

"We were getting around 250 Euro per kid"
Hm, 250 Euro? Usually today you don't get the same money for every kid. I am the 2nd kid and for me my parents got 150 Euro.

@specialasianX
I think you haven't meant it like that but "was never better off than it was under the NAZI's" is kinda bad formulated. I read you excluded some things but even economically it would have turned into a disaster if it there was peace some years more. And furthermore, it was a country being stuck on one leader, one party and full with sick stuff like the SS and HJ(Hitler-Jugend) and many many other stuff.
The day the Nazis came to power was the beginning of the worst time ever in Germany.

I would agree that things like unemployment etc dropped but hey: if you start out of nothing even a bit is damn much.

Originally posted by surfup

Originally posted by razorbackhater
Hitler was into the occult...does anyone know of the 300 Tibetan monks found slain in Berlin after the war? Is this rumor?

Yes...I remember hearing about this on the History Channel, but I thought the Russians killed them and they were found somewhere in Russia, not Germany.

i know hitler was into the occult, i have heard of this before. i rencently saw a video by a guy named milan martin, i think the name of this video is lucifer's children. he mentioned the 300 dead monks, i'm wondering if this is true what was hitler into? very odd imop.
i also find it odd just how advanced the german's were compaired to everyone else in wwll, where did they get all of this knowledge from? one of the things i find interesting is that the germans had a flying wing way back in wwll, similar to the stelth b2 ( i think thats the plane ) although it used props instead of jet engines.

Originally posted by gooking
I heard a story of u.s. soldiers finding dead bodies with strange clothing on. Maybe they could be the Tibetan monks?

Could you expand on the subject, please?