Email to Earthfiles RE:Drones, this is what i got..

Hello,

I thought I would make this a seperate thread because the others have kind of died a death, if the mods want to tag it onto the other threads please do so:

I was looking over the C2C thread regarding the Drone phenomena as i have been every day in the last few months and i got a little angry due to the fact that we were promised further updates from C2C with an exclusive update yada yada. Here's the original website from Isaac all those months ago:

www.isaaccaret.fortunecity.com

As a lot of people know the broadcast at C2C never materialised and since that time the subject has died. In a vain attempt to get at least some sort of update I emailed Linda Moulton Howe yesterday at Earthfiles and asked her for her personal opinion on the drone subject. This is what i emailed yesterday:

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"Good morning,

I am e-mailing you from Edinburgh in the UK and was wondering if it was at all possible for you to give me a quick update on the drone sightings and Isaac's contact with yourself at Earthfiles in the last few months.

I'm sure that's the last thing you would probably have wanted to hear from me and i understand that you would have received hundreds of emails asking the same question in the past, so please accept my apologies in advance. I have followed the drone issue from the start but now everything has gone really quite and nothing else seems to have surfaced for a long time.

I know that Earthfiles had been in contact with the person that supplied the information and i was just looking to see if you had been in contact with him recently and if there was any more information?

What are your personal opinions on the matter? do you think that it was an elaborate hoax? I'm only asking because I can't make my mind up for myself and it's nagging me. When the sightings first appeared I e-mailed Timothy Good (I'm sure you have heard of him!) here in the UK and he replied to me saying that he thought it was probably a viral campaign, which i don't really buy to be honest.

I check your website daily and find your articles fascinating, especially the recent Crop Circle phenomena that happened here at Alton Priors in the UK. I can tell you that 2007 has been a very interesting time for us, lot's of sightings being covered in the British media on an almost weekly basis.

Thank you in advance and have a good day"

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I got this response when i checked my mail this morning, don't get excited, it's short:

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Hi, Nick: All I can offer in my reply are the links to the Earthfiles I have done so far about the "drone" phenomenon:

• 07/28/2007 —
Clarifications and Comments by Isaac
• 07/28/2007 —
Mysterious Aerial Lights Over Stratford-upon-Avon, July 14, and Farnborough, Hampshire, on July 22, 2007
• 07/14/2007 —
Schofield Barracks, Oahu, Hawaii - Huge, Lime Green Oval Craft Hovered Over Battalion Headquarters
• 07/11/2007 —
Professional Computer Engineers Comment About "Isaac" and CARET Document
• 07/10/2007 —
2005 and 2006 Memphis "Drones"?
• 06/29/2007 —
Another "Drone" This Week Near Maxwell AFB
• 06/26/2007 —
Part 1: Explanation of the Recent "Strange Craft" Sightings
• 06/26/2007 —
Part 2: Documentation, Palo Alto Caret Laboratory Q4-86 Research Report
• 06/22/2007 —
Dragonfly "Drone" Seen October 1995 in Arizona
• 06/17/2007 —
More Big Basin, California, Bizarre "Drone" Images
• 06/15/2007 —
Part 1: Northridge, California, Aerial "Drone" Eyewitness On the Record
• 06/15/2007 —
Part 2 - Star Wars Physicist Edward Teller, Outer Space Menace And Remotely Piloted Vehicles (RPVs)
• 06/08/2007 —
More Drone Photos and Other Eyewitnesses
• 05/30/2007 —
Birmingham-Type "Drone" Seen At Barksdale AFB, Louisiana, in Mid-1980s
• 05/28/2007 —
Letters About Unidentified "Drone" Aerial Objects
• 05/25/2007 —
Two More Eyewitnesses of Aerial "Drones" in 2005 and 2006
• 05/21/2007 —
Updated: Odd Aerial "Drone"? Photographed Again Over Capitola, California
• 05/16/2007 —
Updated: Odd Aerial "Drones"? Over Lake Tahoe and Central California
• 05/16/2007 —
Updated: Engineer Comments About Odd Aerial "Drones"? Over Lake Tahoe and Central California


Linda Moulton Howe
Reporter and Editor
www.Earthfiles.com
and Investigative Reporter
Premiere Radio Networks;
Dreamland Online


P. O. Box 21843
Albuquerque, New Mexico 87154


TEL:
FAX:

e-mail: [email protected]
website: www.earthfiles.com

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That is all I got, i couldn't believe it. I have obviously read her past reports on the subject and i stated in the email that i looked at Earthfiles every day but it is really clear to me that this subject is clearly not open for discussion any more. It's a shame that she couldn't elaborate any further or answer my questions. I think she found out it was a hoax and has decided to sweep it under the carpet hoping people will forget. I won't.


admin edit: removed telephone and fax numbers.

[edit on 9-13-2007 by Springer]

I fail to see the point of this thread, your whining because she did'nt give you more..maybe there is no more. someone shut this down...

Thanks for your constructive response Wildone. I am merely making members aware that LMH is not willing to divulge any further information on a subject that she brought to us.

Surely some kind of reply is better than no reply at all to people still looking for something of substance on the subject.

If that is "whining" on my part then mods go ahead and take the topic away. Who are you to instruct mods to remove a thread anyway?

If you check my original post i mentioned to the mods to add this post to the existing thread if need be, I don't need someone like you high and mightying themselves.

Hat's off to you, that is probably the most offensive reply i have received in all my time here and makes me wonder why I even bother with any of this stuff any more. If you don't like a thread don't post in it, it's really that simple. Good contribution mate.

I like to think that my posts have some kind of substance to them and I am sick to the core from people like you posting offensive replies that have absolutely nothing decent to say about anything.

[edit on 13/9/07 by October]

Well I see the point to your thread, October, and commend you for trying to shake a few bushes to see if you can flush anything out.

Although you mention that you "don't buy" the viral campaign angle, I must agree with Timothy Good's response to your e-mail in that his opinion is that a viral campaign is behind it all. As one of several drone threads that are withering with no new information, the one on the viral angle covers this subject in substantial detail. You may wish to post your comments there as well - some of us have been following the viral theme (meme) for several weeks now.

With little new information forthcoming and Isaac/Chad et al all but remaining submerged, I see scant opportunities for significant new discussion.

In my opinion, the fact that the drones appeared, the story intensified on several forums, Isaac materialized - and dematerialized, and then everything went silent lends credence to the viral explanation. It also gives weight to the hoax solution since if the drones were in fact real (which few believed), then where are they? Even a curious alien probe wouldn't drop in on a just a small valley or two in just one state of one country on busy, dynamic planet like Earth. That would be a gargantuan waste of resources, wouldn't you say?

In any case, I wouldn't be too miffed at LMH's rather abbreviated reply to your note. She probably gets many such inquiries and is trying to maintain her composure and respectability (= marketability) while standing in the rather dim light of humility. She was bamboozled, like the rest of us, and is trying to distance herself from the topic. Every e-mail like yours that she gets is another trip to the dentist's chair for her.

Good luck and hang in there, October - maybe by October the culprits will resurface and we'll have something more to chew on (but hopefully not more endless CGI/not CGI mudslinging).

Keep looking up!

Originally posted by October
Thanks for your constructive response Wildone. I am merely making members aware that LMH is not willing to divulge any further information on a subject that she brought to us.

Its good that at least someone emailed her and I thank you for that. But what do you mean by "divulge the info" ??? She has none, perhaps she knows even less than people here on ATS. We all know how she messed up.

Lets settle this whole thing and assume that C2C and earthfiles had a break even from their ad revenues. Thats all this is.

Thanks to October for following up. I too watch the "drone-thing" and/or lack thereof. LMH? Researcher? Mmmm-kay if she says so. Quite a career. Seems to be seeking "distance" from the "drone-thing"... I suppose that must be where her research is now - distant. Media-wonkette. Any new "LMH news" I will hold in the "dubious value" column until proven by others. Pehaps she has the media-disease... story above fact, "researchers"... Um, OK. Good as their last work.

Perhaps this would motivate LMH to be a little more selective in choosing future "virals" to associate her "work" with.

Cheers,

Vic

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I think you are whining and just making a troll post as there is absolutely nothing you can do about this, she would post more info if she had it if nothing else to get more people to join her site.

What is a Troll post???


However i do know the Definition of a "Troll" Poster,

"An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who intentionally posts controversial or contrary messages in an online community such as an online discussion forum or USENET, "with the intention of baiting users into an argumentative response"

Strange that because it fit's you down to a tee, talk about The Pot Calling The Kettle Black. Oh, in case your a little hazy on what that one it means:

"You are the pot calling the kettle black when you point to another person and accuse that person of doing something that you are guilty of doing yourself."



[edit on 13/9/07 by October]

If anyone reads through all the drone threads, you will see that I have long though that LMH/Earthfiles was either complacent in the Drone Hoax or were strickly being played.

Personally, I feel that LMH saw 'ratings' and jumped on the drone bandwagon without thinking ahead about the possible backlash by the community at large once her desire for attention had grown larger than the information she was providing. For a while it seemed like she was posting every thing she could about 'drones' to draw traffic to her website.

So kudos on calling her out and asking where her follow ups are, since she said they would be forth coming. Excellent Thread!

DocMoreau

I am not sure why 'wildone106' thinks this is a 'troll' thread. Maybe he was one of the drone believers, and feels ashamed that he fell for the 'drone meme' as hard as LMH/Earthfiles... Everyone's opinion is valid here, but why even post on a thread if you don't like the topic, and all you have to contribute is bile?

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I would like to add my pixels to applauding October for following up as well. This is the kind of thing ATS Members are becoming famous for, thorough investigation and follow up/through.

If some folks are trying to distance themselves from this hoax/viral/whatever, they should do so by presenting all the data they have, we know that has not happened in this case.

Those who were duped by the drone saga are still stinging when they see it resurrected I imagine, so that may be the reason behind the bizarre comments in this thread.


Springer...

She has nothing more to say about it because either:

1.) She knew she was part of a viral marketing campaign

2.) She unknowingly became part of it. At first she got into it thinking it was real and the people behind it used her to push it a little further.

I think it's pretty clear it's a viral campaign now. Also, I'm a member of another forum Neowin that deals with computer related topics. There's a couple Microsoft employees on there and I talk to one every now and then. I asked him if he knew anything about the drone pics and if there's a Halo 3 connection. All he said was "There is a viral campaign that's been going on that might get bigger in September and that's all I know about it. They've been quiet about anything Halo 3 related around here to keep info from leaking out."

He didn't confirm that the drone pics are part of it. Just that a viral campaign has been going on already that could get bigger this month and that it was connected to Halo 3. I asked him that back in late July. I haven't brought it up to him anymore since then. When the new Halo 3 trailer came out recently he mentioned in the thread about it on that site that "If people love this trailer then wait til you see what should happen in the next week". He said that yesterday. He's always teasing people about things on this other site about things Microsoft has planned. He works in the gaming division of MS.

If it's not Halo 3 it's at least something Microsoft related. That became obvious when someone here found that the CARET thing was funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation I mean come on people that should be enough to know what the drone pics are all about. Microsoft has been using viral campaigns a lot this year.

@wildone106

You need to calm down and stop acting immature. If you look at this thread and wanted to pick out the troll, that would actually be you. I think others will agree with me there.

[edit on 13-9-2007 by nightmare_david]

Thank you very much for your responses and applause!

Nightmare David that's really interesting regarding your friend at Microsoft and Halo 3. I remember the viral aspect being discussed many times when this thing started and Transformers and Halo 3 were the two major players at the time. Transformers was a no go but there is certainly room for Halo to bring things ahead.

I'm quite familiar with a number of Viral campagins, Cloverfield being one of them and these sites can be left in hibernation until the Company chooses to start the next stage and peak peoples interests again so who's to say that this thing is dead from a Viral aspect, perhaps we haven't seen the last of this. It may seem like i am regurgitating old news but I was interested to see what kind of reaction i would get from LMH. If she had come back to me with a "More information will follow" take i would certainly think that there was more to be released from Earthfiles. But from the reaction i got and from what other people have said here it's pretty clear that a lot of people were sucked in right from the beginning (Including myself) and that includes LMH and C2C.

It just goes to show how incerdibly powerful this type of Marketing tool can be. I don't think it's finished yet, Isaacs fortune page was the primer, the undercoat if you like and before long it's going to be laid on thick again and to be honest I can't wait!. Just not going to take it so seriously this time. If it has already fizzled out and there is no more to come what was the purpose of it in the first place?

I am in careful and considerate occasional contact with Linda, I did ask her about the question of what she should & should not do, and as a general answer she simply has so many different new subjects to independently investigate constantly coming up day by day she has trouble in prioritising, knowing so-and-so here'll be pissed off if I do that, but if I do that so-and-so over there'll be pissed off by that.....this only deserves understanding. Yes, life-long vegetarian Linda Howe does worry about whether she should do this story or this story or that story.....someone somewhere's going feel dissed whatever she does. I prefer to bear with her. But if you look through her responses, that lorry driver's point about the word "dragonfly" was very very good.....(American) ufo magazine's dickheads won't invalidated that one. And maybe language like that is a mere red flag to the tortured bulls they are.
From David Moncoeur, author of surf.to/dangerousdave (special service short form of website address) & www.phonedupnshutup.com

Hi all, Pardon me if I seem naive, but I have not seen the proof of the Drone episode thus far as being either proven or disproved, can one of you stating it's a Hoax..., be kind-enough to share a link to that proof, or some sort of info pointing to acknowledgement from the 1/2 dozen claiming they witnessed and/or had taken pics of the thing in various forms.

I read all the Reports at LMH's site weeks ago and commend Linda on her efforts to gather what she could and hold the interviews she has on the Drone affair. To my knowledge she doesn't use a polygraph when interviewing; I don't know that she demands sworn-to -- affidavits either.
Earthfiles is a wealth of information on subjects regarding 'High Strangeness'. Linda's efforts to report witness accounts is second to none.

October, I'm not sure where your headed posting this thread and it seems there are some who support your thoughts re the depth of LMH's reply to you. Your critiscm of her effort seems weak.

wildone106, I believe you've made some valid points above. I've been an Earthfile member and supporter of LMH's work for a very-long time.
I believe she deserves a boat-load more respect than what's being shown here. I don't believe, as others have hinted at, financial benefits had anything to do with Linda's supreme effort to grab onto the witnesses and write down what they had to say. Hoax or real, she did her part in reporting it. It's not up to her to prove a thing.

Dallas

Hi Dallas,

If it comes across that i am trying to be disrespectful to Linda Moulton Howe that is certainly not my intention, i didn't bring this up to flame anyone and i'm not "Going anywhere" with this thread or intend to cause harm or discredit anybody. I have said before that i visit Earthfiles regularly and i wholeheartedly agree that Linda's reporting is second to none.

I just found it uncomfortable that more information was to be produced through C2C and was pulled at the last minute which felt strange to me. My email to Earthfiles was not intended to trip anybody up, i was genuinely suprised at the shortness of the response.

As for your comment that Wildone made some valid points..... well we will have to agree to disagree on that one.

I have to admit I was convinced that they were real objects hanging in the sky when I first saw the drone pics, but I'm not ashamed to say that. If it's all a hoax, I'm not disputing it, I believe you, I still think they're smashing pics and I'm still impressed when I see them.

Originally posted by Dallas
be kind-enough to share a link to that proof, or some sort of info pointing to acknowledgement from the 1/2 dozen claiming they witnessed and/or had taken pics of the thing in various forms.

That surely would be nice, wouldn't it? Except that these witnesses are anonymous. We don't know who they are, so it's kind of difficult to ask them more questions. And LMH, who says she knows who they are, isn't talking.

So there's one of your very serious problems with the story in the first place--anonymous witnesses. I'm sure it is appreciated that you are an LMH supporter and have been for a long time. That's what you are doing here, supporting her, and that's fine. No problem.

But I, for one, don't share the opinion that she is a top-flight reporter. In fact, she's sloppy. Her buying into the overtly admitted fake drone flight posted on YouTube as a test on how it could be done in CGI is a good example (and a howler). There is no good excuse for having blown it so big on this issue. I'm sure she wishes it would just go away, but that shows extremely sloppy journalism. That coupled with anonymous witnesses and the unusual behavior about the drones recently on C2C is all highly suspicious activity.

I don't mean to imply that either Linda Moulton Howe or Coast to Coast have done anything overtly wrong, unethical, untruthful, etc. Instead, I think they are perceived as credulous and gullible news outlets who will jump at nearly anything anyone says, whether it is "Dr." Jonathan Reed's alien in his refrigerator or a fake Area 51 employee calling in. They have never met a conspiracy they didn't like. Because they are so easy to fool, Linda Moulton Howe and the Coast to Coast crowd have inadvertently set themselves up as patsies. If anyone were to concoct a nationwide or worldwide hoax, using these two to do the heavy lifting would be an intelligent way to get the hoax off the ground. That Linda Moulton Howe and Coast to Coast have basically refused to deal with the drones any further--no dicussions, no questions, no calls, indicates to me that they realize they have been duped and are attempting damage control. The less said the better.

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Nice job touching on the salient points Shuyler. Indeed, she climbed all over every aspect of this indiscriminately. Remember the Maine photos--photo one with buildings in the background, photo two with buildings photoshopped out? Embarrassing. Research means asking an expert if you don't know yourself what the evidence means, not posting everything someone emails to you--especially regarding ufos for crying out loud.

And it's troubling that she said she knew the real identities of these witnesses. Did she? Or did she just say that to add authenticity to the witness accounts? I don't want to make any accusation--but that's the problem with being sloppy and sensationalistic. Now all her assertions are called into question. Was it worth it Linda?

Looks like you got the old copy/paste response, October. Don't feel bad, I'm sure you're not the first.

All you guys can do with reading, and sounding like you have read, the 6/22/07 article on earthfiles, "Dragonfly 'Drone' seen October 1995 in Arizona". The lorry driver's observation is quite complex,
but my point back to Linda was fairly simple, due to a former MI5 contact friend of mine having a thing about "truth referentiality in Western films", I try to watch films bearing that in mind, and I had for a long time thought that there was an odd vibe about dragonfly images; I had long thought, like the film Dragonfly, the Men In Black dragonfly image at the beginning, if there are secret society symbols, a dragonfly is one of them, going by simply watching films. So I was very interested in the lorry driver George's observation when Linda put that article up. The most recent dragonfly image is the way a statue of a dragonfly is frequently panned across, happening to be on someone's mantelpiece in the film The Lives Of Others. There's just simply an odd vibe about the way it happens.
Martin Heth of www.phonedupnshutup.com

if LMH was trying to distance herself from the drone episodes, why would she reply to the the original email by outlining every single contribution - & the dates - that were posted on her site in regards to this very subject matter???