Dean Vs. Clark

Hey everyone...This is going to be the first presendtial election I am voting in. Right now I am torn between Howard Dean and Wesley Clark. (my signature says clark but ive been reading on dean as well) Anyway, I'd like to hear your thoughts on each of them...In the end it depends on which one is chosen by the dems i guess but I'd like to have some info before then. Thanks for all your input in advance!

It really won't matter which one you vote for. Neither one will win LMAO!!!:

[Edited on 20-1-2004 by KillerT]

Howard Dean! Howard Dean! Howard Dean!

Look into the comments former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Hugh Shelton had to say about his underling Clark. VERY telling. (Clark was fired from his post in Kosovo for almost starting a war with Russia.)

Take this to the bank - 30 years in the military does not make a president. Makes a helluva dictator, though.

When at a forum in September, retired Gen. Hugh Shelton was asked if he would support retired Gen. Wesley Clark for president, Shelton, the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, quickly took a drink of water. "That question makes me wish it were vodka," Shelton said. "I've known Wes for a long time. I will tell you the reason he came out of Europe early had to do with integrity and character issues, things that are very near and dear to my heart. I'm not going to say whether I'm a Republican or a Democrat. I'll just say Wes won't get my vote."

Which was bad enough, but on November 6, retired Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf appeared on CNBC's Capital Report, hosted by Gloria Borger and Alan Murray, who asked him what he thought of Clark. "I think the greatest condemnation against him . . . came from the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff when he was a NATO commander. I mean, he was fired as a NATO commander," Schwarzkopf replied, "and when Hugh Shelton said he was fired because of matters of character and integrity, that is a very, very damning statement, which says, `If that's the case, he's not the right man for president,' as far as I'm concerned."
www.usnews.com...

I think Dean is probably the lesser of the two evils. It say's alot if is own kind won't even endorse him





[Edited on 20-1-2004 by KillerD]

In my opinion a good president needs to have both political expertise and a good background in how to keep a powerful military running. Clark has military experience. Dean has uh, well, not exactly a fan of the military, and judging by his performance last night, he's not exactly very politically astute either. People really don't like to see a presidential candidate blowing up like that.

The response to that is hey he has a personality he's human. True. But do we want the guy yelling and screaming and blurting out uncontrolled statements at diplomatic functions or in the face of other world leaders? I don't think so.

The only way i would say to vote for Dean would be if he released a statement and printed medical records showing that he attended anger management classes.

Don't forget, you're not voting for the best man to overthrow Bush here. There's a step beyond that which so many of us have lost sight of. We have to elect the best person to represent the entire country. I don't think a man who can't control himself is the best man for that.

Piss on those GOP generals. Wes put the question to all of them directly when they first started this smear campaign against him. It shut em all up. They came with these vauge inferences that they couldn't back up with fact. (all of it coming from the whitehouse--if it's a lie you know who told it). No one has one bad word to say about Clarks record, and they sure didn't have a problem with him before he decided to run he was invited to all things GOP.

And he's explained the thing with Russia. He was there to save lives and he didn't care who stood in the way. He was going to stop the genocide. Over 500,000 ethnic Albanians had been murdered. Clark is a man of great conviction and honesty. He didn't hide the fact that he was ready to blow up some Russians to get the job done.

Here's a look at all the misrepresentations that have been passed around about Clark's time in Kosovo:

link

It's a place to start if you really want to get a look at who Wes Clark is, and why so many lies and rumors and smears have been directed at him.

Thanks for the good responses guys. I know its a little early to be thinking about this since a democratic candidate hasn't even be chosen and thers a likely chance it wont even be dean or clark. I just want to get as much information as I can so I can make an informed choice come November. Im sure a lot will change between now and then. Right now, I'm leaning towards Clark.

Originally posted by Garon
Hey everyone...This is going to be the first presendtial election I am voting in. Right now I am torn between Howard Dean and Wesley Clark. (my signature says clark but ive been reading on dean as well) Anyway, I'd like to hear your thoughts on each of them...In the end it depends on which one is chosen by the dems i guess but I'd like to have some info before then. Thanks for all your input in advance!

Personally, I'm pulling for Wes. Just thing that he could be the man for the job. My other choice is Edwards.

There's a lot of misrepresentation and lies floating around out there about the canidates, as well as the incumbent. Inform yourself, then choose.

Fact Check

The General just dropped to third place in New Hampshire where he's been campaigning for weeks ALONE since conceding Iowa to DEAN.

Keep in mind he gave up on Iowa while tied with Edwards, who crushed Dean (along with Kerry).

Now that Kerry has passed the General in NH, he's bashing the naval officer as he's no General.

Clark and Dean are both negative campaigners. Clark won't survive NH and SC, and Dean won't survive March Madness.

Dean and Clark need to team up and ensure Bush's defeat.

Something this important should not be left to chance.

Dean and Clark need to team up and ensure Bush's defeat.

My sentiments exactly.... While I like Edwards...I don't think he'll have the pull to go the distance... I think the Dems really need a Dean/Clark team to have a chance, though a Kerry/Edwards team would be closer to my political views....

There is a conspiracy going on that Clark, whom I like and respect, is a plant by the Pentagon inorder to have a foothold in any possible Democratic victor.

While, sometimes informative, the progressive news websites where I got that from, can sometimes be given to disinformation and paranoia. Or, they can be hikacked by establishmentarians hoping to scare off potential Clark advocates.

Originally posted by Garon
Hey everyone...This is going to be the first presendtial election I am voting in. Right now I am torn between Howard Dean and Wesley Clark. (my signature says clark but ive been reading on dean as well) Anyway, I'd like to hear your thoughts on each of them...In the end it depends on which one is chosen by the dems i guess but I'd like to have some info before then. Thanks for all your input in advance!

wont be dean i can tell you that

I don't want to see Dean in there. He seems to have little that is clear thinking about foreign affairs. You can't talk to terrorists and zealots - the things that drive them are not based in reality.

We ARE in a war, and they WILL be trying to come here. I want someone who can handle the military and knows about foreign affairs. Clark can get advisors for the economy. I'm afraid Dean would get like-minded fools for foreign affairs advisors.


Our greatest threat and danger is foreign psychopaths - and Dean wants to 'talk nice' with them?

The war in iraq IS drawing al Quaida psychos to it like a magnet : better there than here.

Nope, I don't want Dean, no way, no how.

I like and respect Joe Lieberman, but I'm worried about what the psycho faction of the world moslem population would think about a US president who is Jewish.
Would that throw fuel on the jihadi fire and get even MORE moslims to become radical militants? Probably some would join up, but not enough to make a big difference.

You can bet the US would then be accused of being Isreal's puppet!

Back to Dean: He can stay in Vermont.

Just because Dean is President doesn't mean the military brass running it will change.

I mean, look who you've got now. Rumsfeld and Cheney?

You'd rather have Cheney and Rumsfeld than a Democratic appointee?

Oh this website is chock full o' Republicans!