Russia Tests 'World's Most Powerful Non-Nuclear Bomb'

Originally posted by Sky watcher
Stellar what are you talking about lol. Have you been watching to much south park?

Glad you asked.

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Yes on their front and we took the whole European theater plus Africa.

Which was possible because they fought and destroyed the vast majority of Germany's capacity to resist. Despite all that the allies still had major setbacks in North Africa, Italy and finally almost in the direct aftermath of D-day. Without the massive attrition the SU inflicted on Germany non of that would have been remotely possible.

I cant believe you made that statement.

Well it's true so why wouldn't i say so?

Russia got what it deserved for siding with Germany in the first place,

It was a NON AGGRESSION PACT they were forced into signing because Britain, France and Poland refused to sign a common defense pact with Russia against Germany. Stalin no more wanted to sign agreements with Hitler than Hitler wished to do so with Stalin but both were isolated and both did what they could to avoid a war with each other as long as possible.

They should have defended their neighbor Poland.

Stalin wanted to but the Poles refused such a deal as they feared Russian troops might never leave once there. I have sympathy with that view but given the fact that neither France or Britain wished to involve Russian i a common defense pact it's pretty obvious that they hoped Hitler would go East and knock of Poland and the USSR. Hitler were a bit smarter and managed to make a deal with Stalin giving him the opportunity to stage impossibly successful invasion against the low countries before Stalin had the chance to exploit the situation and invade Germany.

I know they do not teach these things in US ( and most western text books) but it's the truth and you should begin to inform yourself.

Stellar

Maximum speed is estimated to be Mach 1.72 in supercruise mode and without external weapons;

The ability of the airframe to withstand the stress and heat from friction is a key factor, especially in an aircraft using as many polymers as the F-22.

From your link.

And yes, the Su-30 has vertical tail fins which are radar reflective, however, the positioning of them combined with the small size of the aircraft contribute to it's low radar signature.

Just as an FYI, I was invited to work on a military design contract some years ago due to my ability to research and understand such things as particle/wave physics (ie, radar/stealth technologies), human interface, and coast effective engineering. I turned down the position for moral reasons, but I do know what I'm talking about.

This could mean mass destruction has more open doors of use if nuclear waste does not harm afterwards. Making the future in a way less safe because the after effects do no make an enviromental impact on the earth hence the usage will be more legitamate and not seen as a having guilty impact for the rest of the world to contaminate.

I bet Iran will regret buying off Russia nuclear reactors if their long term plan was to make a bomb towards Isreal, or worse still maybe they will buy this bomb as a greater trust to use with the Russia since they trust in spending and buying these days.

I was saying that myself.

A mass destruction weapon that uses no nuclear materials nicely fits into the category of conventional weapons.
Of course, this will spark the US to try to compete, and then we have yet one more reason to keep a close watch on that trigger happy government.

Originally posted by Moistur
the B-2 has the ability to detects the range and motion of all radar frequencies and then pilot around while at night to reduce visibility even more, it's radar crosssection even if,

It can only fly at night because at day anyone can see it miles away. As to what it can see and cant see i don't know but i suspect you are going to provide me with some sources?

once again even if it was detected is smaller than a bumble bee.

Which i suppose is why it flies with the very same support jammers and the like as any other plane in the USAF? Fascinating how you spend all that money and you still need to send in the same old countermeasure aircraft...

IT CAN PENETRATE DEEP INTO THE HEART OF RUSSIA CHINA OR ANYONE.

Maybe but then because it's flying at tree top level hoping there is no optically sighted or IR short range SAM'S to blow it out of the sky. Many other aircraft could manage that same feat so it's a bit of a joke to pay that much for it.

dont forget bahgdad was the most heavily air defended city in the world at the start of gulf war one,

Not true...

yet we used at that time, 10 year old technology that was just publicly released.

And they used thirty year old air defenses and then very badly at that?

This year alone we have 18$ billion in classified pentagon projects....

Source please.

we have no idea what we are capable of, let alone the 16 years after teh cold war and with moores law and all.

Lol.

THe US hands down can take the whole world at once if it wanted to and thats really no joke, we have the means the money and the no how to do it.

It's easy to 'take on the world' but how will you 'win'? It's funny that you believe something like that when the US people can not even protect their own economy from foreigners and locals who are bent on destroying it.

we can feed our troops and supply them en mass with the very best we have to offer.

Which is why they went to Iraq without proper body armor and without sufficient armored transport to even keep up resupply efforts?

what can china do but give rice and an AK-47 to its army, it doesnt have the means to feed and hold that massive of an army. WE DO.

Last time they practically ran the US out of Korea without using much other than light mortars, automatic rifles and rice; they are far better armed this time round.

All American factories would be converted to the war effort,

What American factories? You must think there are still that many left i suppose?

our economy would freeze and if your not fighting ur building things that support it. lets not forget poeple we went in to WW2 as a very poor very weak nation, just barely starting to pull itself out from under the Great Depression.

Right and Germany, Russia, France, Japan and Britain were all just doing fine before the war? Do you realise that Britain was completely bankrupt before the first shots were even fired and they still managed to ride out the war? You think it's some kind of a achievement that a nation that outnumbered Germany in just citizens 2 to 1, to say nothing of wealth and resources, WON ? What about the fact that the SU did 80% of the Allied fighting in that war?

Now we have the wealth, the technology, and the means to raise and maintain a highly sophisticated, highly advanced, superior war fighting machine.

That is being run into the dirt in Iraq just as it was in Vietnam. Sure the US have all those things but can you explain why it's being squandered in such terrible fashion?

It bogglings my mind to here poeple say how weak we are, obviously they dont no there history and what the american poeple are capable of.

Attacking and brutalizing third world nations is all the US have ever done on it's own as the last major war was won by the Soviet Union.

BTW anyone heard of Future Combat Systems. Imagine that on a massive US army, and the types of technologies we would develop to bring it to mass scale. I'm honeslty scared for other countries if they try to attack or declare war with us.

Well right now the US government and people are in debt to the tune of 70 trillion dollars and while the spending might go right on when the house of cards comes tumbling down it wont be pretty.

Even if the world turns on us economically, we are America, the poeple will unite and we wil get through by any means nessecery,

So you did not notice that wages for college and high school graduates have been stagnant or declining since the mid 70's? The world has long ago turned on the US but it's hard going as there was tremendous wealth and power there.

everyone underestimates the US only because its been on such a high level of superiorty that it seems normal and average to the US population.

Huh?

We have been the worlds sole superpower economically and militarily for the past 16 years.

In my opinion the US were the preeminent world power till around 1977 when they were overtaken hence the current troubles.

Our name, America, symbolizes freedom, everyone knows it, Democracies dont go to war with each other, thats proven...

And that is widely believed only in the US schools where they have not been teaching history for decades now. The US national security state have overthrown or assasinated dozens of democratically elected leaders in just since the second world war and there is NO government which has such a anti democratic record.

Stellar

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Dude common are you that stupid?I know your not. You cant see a fricking 747 at 30,000 feet unless its contrails are visible witch a b-2 is not going to have any. Stop arguing just because you are a neo Nazi raised communist who is in a god forsaken country.
Bit you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground and you have proved that often so don't try to say that oh i am so smart because I refused a job because I'm a tree hugger.
Who's air force has won every major combat since WWll? I rest my case, Oh the Israelis won two with our jets and our training.
Goodnight ladies.


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Are you kidding? The U.S. Marines fought off one million Chinamen at the Chosen reservoir and it was only 40,000 against one million. China is lucky that we didn't kick their ass when we had the chance, We had already chased the North Koreans to the Chinese border. We save them from Japan and thats the thanks we get. We should have nuked them, Its a shame that Mac lost his job to politics because he was a great man.

To a lighter note, I think Russia and the U.S. could have been great allies after the Soviet dream fell flat on its rear but I guess they just like being losers.

Originally posted by Sky watcher
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Dude common are you that stupid?I know your not. You cant see a fricking 747 at 30,000 feet unless its contrails are visible witch a b-2 is not going to have any. Stop arguing just because you are a neo Nazi raised communist who is in a god forsaken country.
Bit you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground and you have proved that often so don't try to say that oh i am so smart because I refused a job because I'm a tree hugger.
Who's air force has won every major combat since WWll? I rest my case, Oh the Israelis won two with our jets and our training.
Goodnight ladies.

Go look at Steller X's posts and you'll see 95% of his links are U.S. military and other U.S. Sources that addmitt Russia's military is better prepared for war against U.S.A. than U.S.A. is against Russia, just go look at his posts.
1. He's from S. Africa not a Communist nation, just because some one says Russia's military is better doesn't mean they're Communist, this is the typical "SIMPLISTIC" thinking 98% of Americans have.
2. BTW of the allies in WWII The Soviet Union had the most aces, next came England, and 3rd came U.S.A. go look it up for your self.

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Originally posted by Sky watcher
Are you kidding? The U.S. Marines fought off one million Chinamen at the Chosen reservoir and it was only 40,000 against one million. China is lucky that we didn't kick their ass when we had the chance, We had already chased the North Koreans to the Chinese border. We save them from Japan and thats the thanks we get. We should have nuked them, Its a shame that Mac lost his job to politics because he was a great man.

Sources please, I have NEVER seen any reports that said 1 MILLION Chinese soilders were in N.Korea in that war.

[edit on 15-9-2007 by YASKY]

Please stop talking # about Russia. I live in Russia, Moscow and I can tell you that nobody gives a # about Iran and Iraq here. 80% of Russian people know about NWO and all that stuff very well so forget it. Russia is one of the biggest oil and gas exporters and Iran is the last thing Russian government could think about. If they support "terrorists" so USA will bomb them and that's it.

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Very interesting, your input could be very welcome here.
Are you Russian by birth or are you a foreign national living there?


I've got a few questions I'd like to pose to you...

According to most things I've read and heard, Russian and Iran have been very strong economic and trade allies since at least the Iran/Iraq war (and presumably longer). Their relationship seems much like that of the US and Saudi-Arabia. Would you say this is a true portrayal or is it a popular image?

Why did Vladimir Zhirinovsky urge for a quick deployment of the S-400 air defense system in Iran? This is a very new piece of Russian hardware and it's been announced that will not be ready for international sales until 2009.

Why has Russia suddenly started flexing it's muscles on the world stage with comment about it's ability to fight terrorism and the production of this new bomb?

There simply seems to be a lot of conflict between the portrayed Russian stance on Iran and this "no body cares" attitude that you present. Can you help us to understand what's going on here?

My God...... what is this planet coming to....

not another arms race. And with the current administration in place in the US / Russia it wont take long before they decide to test each other. And for all our sakes .... i hope that never happens.

Why the hell cant every damn contry STOP trying to out do one another and just *SNIP get along. Its all politics, if those people were not in place everyone would just live in harmony.

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ooops sorry mod, tried to edit the post to remove it but but couldnt. will watch my language next time !

subject got me a little carried away

Originally posted by Sky watcher
Bend radar lol. More Russian BS Like plasma stealth.

Why do you think Plasma Stealth technology isn't real?

www.defensetech.org...
www.spacedaily.com...
iron-eagles.tripod.com...
www.air-attack.com...
www.air-attack.com...
www.space.com...
www.aviationnow.com.../081103top.xml

Not sure if i buy into it yet but it WOULD explain why Russian aircraft are flying over US carriers without escorts....

How do they know how to defeat stealth when they cant even figure out how to make one?

Why do you think they can not build stealth aircraft?

Ok well the original SU-30 did not have vectored thrust till they made the SU-30MK version. They have to many versions of that dam plane, I can tell you that. I cant find out how many they have but from what I have seen they don't have allot yet.

Funny stuff. The Russians are apparently happy simply exporting hundreds of SU-27 varieties...

It is a cool plane but its not stealth so that is a huge disadvantage.

Presuming that stealth over the FEB works all that well. What if the Russians really could and did add 100 Kg devices that lowered their RCS 100 fold without suffering all the design penalties?

The SU-30s wouldn't know they had company till they had a missile smoking their ass.

I am not sure how the F-22 are going to get past the Su-27's or remain unseen by ground stations but i suppose anything is possible if either the Russian pilots or their ground controllers are fast asleep or just very incompetent

The F-15 and F-22 can out run it when the 30mk cant match the Mach 2.5.

Both the F-15 and F-22 are slower than the Su's as far as i know and i have provided that numbers on many occasions. We might not be sure of the F-22's top speed just yet but it's unlikely that it will be faster than the F-15 or Su-27's.

Originally posted by Sky watcher
Dude common are you that stupid?I know your not. You cant see a fricking 747 at 30,000 feet unless its contrails are visible witch a b-2 is not going to have any.

B-2's leave contrails like any other planes ( and you can see those on moonlit nights) and in daytime they are visibile with either the naked eye and far more so with the type of optical equipment that are deployed on SAM systems.

Stop arguing just because you are a neo Nazi raised communist who is in a god forsaken country.

That would have been insulting but i suppose i not having any respect for your opinion negates that sort of feelings.

Bit you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground and you have proved that often so don't try to say that oh i am so smart because I refused a job because I'm a tree hugger.

Does that even logically follow?

Who's air force has won every major combat since WWll? I rest my case,

What major combat? Which major wars have there been since the second world war?

Oh the Israelis won two with our jets and our training.
Goodnight ladies.

They would have lost their pants if they fought the way you did but luckily they had their backs against the wall and couldn't get away with the stupidity that earmarked USAF combat operations for most of the last sixty years.

Stellar

[edit on 17-9-2007 by StellarX]

Originally posted by Sky watcher
Are you kidding? The U.S. Marines fought off one million Chinamen at the Chosen reservoir and it was only 40,000 against one million.

The Battle of Chosin Reservoir was a battle in the Korean War, in which 30,000 United Nations troops (nicknamed the "Frozen Chosin" or "The Chosin Few") under the command of American General Douglas MacArthur faced approximately 60,000 Chinese volunteers.

Shortly after the People's Republic of China entered the conflict, large numbers of Chinese soldiers swept across the Yalu River, encircling the United Nations (UN) troops in the northeastern part of North Korea at the Chosin Reservoir. A brutal battle in freezing weather followed. Although they inflicted enormous casualties on the Chinese forces, the UN troops were forced to evacuate North Korea after they withdrew from the reservoir to the port of Hungnam.

en.wikipedia.org...

Fact is the marines had some tanks and the overwhelming air support of USMC and the USN while the Chinese fought with nothing but rifles/machine guns and light mortars. To attack against artillery, tanks , air support and well armed marines, without the benefit of any of those means, is always going to be very costly and these casualties are not in my opinion unexpected.

China is lucky that we didn't kick their ass when we had the chance,

The USA could have taken on China with nuclear weaponry but a continued ground war against China was clearly not something the USA could afford to involved themselves in at that time.

We had already chased the North Koreans to the Chinese border.

And why wouldn't the 'UN' forces be able to do that when they outnumbered the North Koreans 2 to 1 and were intensely well supported by aircraft, artillery and tanks?

We save them from Japan and thats the thanks we get.

You installed a terrible dictator in the South that were a Japanese collaborator while the USSR sent back one who had his wife killed for fighting the Japanese? Why would you government sponsor someone who had virtually no support in Korea while the USSR chose to pick someone who would have won any democratic election for the entire country with a massive majority? Why did the US administrators refuse to hold such a nation wide election if they had the best interest of Koreans at heart?

[quote[We should have nuked them, Its a shame that Mac lost his job to politics because he was a great man.

Mac were not doing his job ( defeating a army who's only support consisted of light mortars) and he in my opinion deserved exactly what he got for wanting to nuke China instead of win the battle's he was assigned to.

Stellar

We are stepping into a new arms race. With this new non-nuclear bomb they won''t leave the land uninhabitable. But chances are to destroy one of our largest cities, most likely they would use the Tsar. I honestly think we have something to worry about when it comes to Russia. They are allies with Iran and obviously knew about the nuclear program from the start.

This new bomb is just a way of saying, guess what.....we are still a superpower.