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Originally posted by umbr45
all i know is
Revelation "Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast:for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred threescore and six."
But it's a wrong number. In 2005, a new translation of the earliest know copy of the book of revelation clearly shows it to be 616 not 666.
A fragment from the oldest surviving copy of the New Testament shows that the number of the Beast of Revelation 13 is 616. Ellen Aitken, a professor of early Christian history at McGill University, states that “the majority opinion seems to be that it refers to [the Roman emperor] Nero.”1 The early fragment supports the view that Revelation was written prior to the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70, and whether the number is 666 or 616, the number is a reference to Nero and not some end-time antichrist figure. Only time will tell how this discovery will affect dispensationalism.
The first readers of Revelation were told to “calculate the number of the Beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six” (13:18). Since Revelation was written to a first-century audience, we should expect the first-century readers to be able to calculate the number with relative ease and understand the result. They would have had few candidates from which to choose. Notice that the number is “six hundred and sixty-six, not three sixes.” Tim LaHaye misidentifies the number when he writes, “The plain sense of Scripture tells us that it comprises the numbers: six, six, six.”2 The three Greek letters that make up the number represent 600, 60, and 6.
Professor David Parker, Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism and Paleography at the University of Birmingham, thinks that 616, although less memorable than 666, is the original. He said: "This is an example of gematria, where numbers are based on the numerical values of letters in people's names. Early Christians would use numbers to hide the identity of people who they were attacking: 616 refers to the Emperor Caligula."
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The truth is that the key to mystical secrets are not in any book, they're in your heart. Even if someone "reveals" a "kabbalistic secret," it remains a secret as long as you are not able to understand it. The number 666 has significance as the numerical value of the Hebrew verse: "Ata yigdal na koach Ado-nai -- Now, I pray, let the Power of my Lord be great." (Numbers 14:17). This was Moshe's prayer invoking Divine Mercy on behalf of the Jewish People.
"Mosad Hayesod" cites the Vilna Gaon's commentary on the Zohar that "the number 666 contains hidden within it exalted and lofty messianic potential." No other explanation is offered there. We do know that the number six represents the physical world. The Torah describes the creation of the universe as a six part, six day, process. Our ancient sources describe the universe as emanating in six directions -- north, south, east, west, up, down -- from a central point. All physical space and all physical objects have these six dimensions.
666 is six repeated three times. Repeating a concept three times represents the affirmation and strength of that concept. The number 666 could thus represent the strength and perfection of the physical world, which Judaism teaches will occur in the messianic era, when the physical world will reach its ultimate purpose, to be a vehicle through which the created experience the Creator.
Originally posted by TheoOne
Here's the thing.
I wanna know what name has the number "911" involved.
That would be interesting.
Originally posted by Sekhemet
People are worshipping the image of 'Jesus'.. and 'the number of its (image) name.. is 666'
False image (what race is Yeshua?) Jes'us 5/ Ven'us 5/ bright morning star =Lucifer... some say its Jesus,, well that makes sense too
Originally posted by Funkydung
As it was shown on a previous page, the name for Jesus in Greek has a numerical value of 888. If you cut 888 in half, it comes out to 444. If you cut 444 in half, the number is 222. And half of 222 is the number 111. This number 111 is very predominant in reference to Jesus. But it is by no means the only key number to do with Christ ~ there are many numbers that relate to all the names and attributes of Jesus and God. But the number 111, in some instances, is absolutely pervasive, especially in those references that speak concerning His conception and birth.
Let us begin with Matthew’s account. Here is the very first reference. The entire passage as quoted has a value of 111 x 66.
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[edit on 13-9-2007 by Funkydung]
Originally posted by umbr45
all i know is
Revelation "Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast:for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred threescore and six."
But it's a wrong number. In 2005, a new translation of the earliest know copy of the book of revelation clearly shows it to be 616 not 666.
Originally posted by addvantage666
Since the text that gives us the number 666, applies it to a "man" and to a "beast" and these are one and the same, when the last "man" takes his place, he will also be the beast. Rev 17 refers to this same person as an "8th" that follows a succession of seven heads before it.
So, where in the Bible does it refer to Jesus as a "man" OK that is clear. Now, where does it say that Jesus is a "beast"? or the "8th"? Clearly is it demonic to suggest that Jesus is the one whom the number 666 is to apply.
Originally posted by Sekhemet
People are worshipping the image of 'Jesus'.. and 'the number of its (image) name.. is 666'
False image (what race is Yeshua?) Jes'us 5/ Ven'us 5/ bright morning star =Lucifer... some say its Jesus,, well that makes sense too