Palestinian rocket blast wounds 50 Israeli soldiers

Sorry if this has been covered but isn't the West Bank controlled by Fatah and Gaza controlled by Hamas? The Palistinians seperated by political entities?

Originally posted by intrepid
Sorry if this has been covered but isn't the West Bank controlled by Fatah and Gaza controlled by Hamas? The Palistinians seperated by political entities?

Yes.

Fatah = secular party who want peace with Israel.

Hamas = Islamic party, want an Islamic state and don't recognise Israel.

Originally posted by Beachcoma

Originally posted by Bunch

But if we talking about options what about, sit down at the diplomacy table, forget about religions and come down with something in which both states can coexist peacefully with one another for the sake of their citizens.

I think that's too much to ask.

Have you forgotten? Israel won't acknowledge them. Apparently it is too much to ask.

Israel acknowledged them as a Terrorist cell, because they are..

Hamas does not recognize Israel actually.

It must be to much to ask for both sides. I would say its safe to assume the hatred on both sides of the wall is going to be to much to get over. To much bloodshed already, and people often take long to forget.

Originally posted by Kacen


Israel is the only country in the middle east with freedom of religion, among other things.

It's the only country where you can live in and believe whatever you want. In Palestine I'd be killed for being an atheist.

When did Lebanon get removed from the Middle East?

Seriously - whenever someone starts honking on about "Israel is the only #### in the Middle East", their statement is almost always applicable to Lebanon (at least).

reply to post by vox2442


That might be true, with the difference that Israel don't provide safe heaven to a recognize international terrorist organization like Hezbollah.

Other than that yeah.

Originally posted by Beachcoma

War or not, an occupying force is a target to combatants on the other side. And I would assume the targets for the occupying force would be combatants of the land they are occupying.

I'm confused, who is the occupying force you are talking about? It sound like you are saying Israel is an occupying force.

W00T!

Score one more for the Palestinians.

Revenge can be so sweet. It's just a shame that non psychotic, non Zionist Israelis get hurt in the process.


Jasn

Originally posted by bodrul

its jokes when people say Israel is so innacent.

unless you consider military personale that attack palistinians not to be ligit targets,.

for israel hamas would be a ligit target such as their forces are to hamas



[edit on 11-9-2007 by bodrul]

Maybe if you read the post you would see I was asking the question that if the 50 Israel were totally illegitimate targets then that means they must be at war.

Here’s a question, Why is Israel an illegal occupation of land where Jordan, Syria, and Iraq are all legal countries?

Syria was under French occupation until they gain their independence in 1944.

Iraq was carved out of the Ottoman Empire by the French and British in 1920 at which time it became Iraq.

Jordan and Israel as a Palestine state was under British rule. Now in the Palestine state there were both Jewish and Arabs, and the British divided it up 75% that was to be Jordan and 25% becoming Israel. In 1945 to 1949 Jordan reached independents, as Israel did too in 1948.

Now all these new countries didn’t like an Israel and so there was a war in 1948 and armistice in 1949. Then in 1967 all those Arab countries attacked Israel again and basically lost thus giving up the west bank. (and much more that Israel gave back)

Then after a few more little wars, Jordan in 1988 renounced all claims to the west bank, and soon followed with the Israel-Jordanian peace treaty in 1994 that lead to no more hostilities to this day between the two countries.

If Jordan as the other part of the old Palestine state sees them as a true country why doesn’t everyone else see it. I see them just as legit as all the Arab countries around them, and they could have been a lot larger if they wanted to keep/take more land from every war they won…but they didn’t.

So just what is your beef?

Originally posted by Bunch
reply to post by vox2442

 

That might be true, with the difference that Israel don't provide safe heaven to a recognize international terrorist organization like Hezbollah.

Other than that yeah.

Six nations (6) class Hezbollah (or one of it`s affiliates) as terrorists. Six.

Roughly the same as considered Irgun terrorists. What did the Israelis do with them? Oh yeah, they elected Menachem Begin, commander of Irgun from `43 to `48. That`s going far beyond "safe haven".

Six of one, half dozen of another.

All in all, as a non-jewish atheist, I`d prefer to take my chances in Lebanon. Better beaches.

Originally posted by Kacen

Israel is the only country in the middle east with freedom of religion, among other things.

It's the only country where you can live in and believe whatever you want. In Palestine I'd be killed for being an atheist.

Could you explain how a state formed out of nothing other than a strict religious ideology can be free with its religion? In Israel at the moment, Jewish Israelis have more rights than any other people there, apart from maybe American Jews. It's nonsense. And since before Israel appeared, Palestine had been a place where Muslims, Christians and Jews all lived together. Palestine still has a multi-religious background.

Also, in reference to Hezbollah in Lebanon, that group started in the Palestinian refugee camps, camps that were started due to Israel kicking the Palestinians out of the West Bank and Gaza in their expansions, to make way for settlers. Your reap what you sow.

Originally posted by Subcomandante
Also, in reference to Hezbollah in Lebanon, that group started in the Palestinian refugee camps, camps that were started due to Israel kicking the Palestinians out of the West Bank and Gaza in their expansions, to make way for settlers. Your reap what you sow.

So what do you do with a 10 mile by 5 mile strip of land centered within Israel on three sides? I know of an Arab Palestine state, and it is called Jordan.

reply to post by Subcomandante


Its also funny that you mention that because as you said they are refugees, most Palestinian refugees in Arab countries are considered second class citizens and are given no rights, and basically live out the work of charities.

That says a lot about the other Arab countries, at least before the second Intifads started Israel used to allowed a significant portion of the Palestinian population to go and work in Israel, until the terrorists mess up the oportunity for the regular folk to make a living.

[edit on 12-9-2007 by Bunch]

The Arabs are going to pay dearly for this, The plan is already in play. I bet the Israelis hit something very nice in Syria the other day. It had to have posed a major threat or they wouldn't have bothered. It sure did show the weakness of Syria's air defense.

Originally posted by Bunch
reply to post by Subcomandante

 

Its also funny that you mention that because as you said they are refugees, most Palestinian refugees in Arab countries are considered second class citizens and are given no rights, and basically live out the work of charities.

That says a lot about the other Arab countries, at least before the second Intifads started Israel used to allowed a significant portion of the Palestinian population to go and work in Israel, until the terrorists mess up the oportunity for the regular folk to make a living.

[edit on 12-9-2007 by Bunch]

They allowed a small number to pass through, after going through a half dozen checkpoints. Not exactly a free passage. Regular folk have been unable to make a living in Palestine for many years. Since trade embargos and funding was cut off for Palestine, they have been without any real economy. Almost all government offices, plus the police force, haven't been paid in years. Hence why criminal organisations had such power in both Gaza and the West Bank.

And as for Jordan, I've not heard of them being involved properly since they extradited the PLO on Black Sunday back in the 70s.

i hope israel destroys the dome of the rock and rebuilds the temple where it should rightfully stand. then round up all the palestinians and put them where they were...lebanon.

AM YISRAEL CHAI