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Originally posted by HowardRoark
The building was structurally damaged by the collapse of the towers. There was a visible "kink" in the side of the building hours before it collapsed. If burned for SEVEN hours. very few buildings have burned that long and survived.
If the structural failure started in a core area, then yes, the collapse would have been just as it was.
WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE OF EXPLOSIVES!!!!!
Explosives powerful enough to cut the steel make noise. a lot of noise. As I posted earlier, I have witnesses intentional implosions. You not only hear the explosives, you feel them in your chest. Even as far away as the video cameras that depicted the collapse of 7, they would have heard the explosions. they would be on the tape. but they did not. Why, BECAUSE TRHERE WERE NONE.
No matter how hard you try to twist what you think "should have happened" to fit your theory, you can not escape the fact that there is one piece of evidence lacking, The sound of the explosives.
Hushaboom anyone?
Originally posted by billybob
eyewitnesses report explosions. LOTS of witnesses. including firemen. (click me)
wow, a gag order to stop firemen's opinions from being published. that's weird! i thought they were the heroes of the day?
where's the fire? (click me)
god loves science. so do i.
i don't know if those links are already on this thread, but they're great links.
WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE OF EXPLOSIVES!!!!!
Explosives powerful enough to cut the steel make noise. a lot of noise. As I posted earlier, I have witnesses intentional implosions. You not only hear the explosives, you feel them in your chest. Even as far away as the video cameras that depicted the collapse of 7, they would have heard the explosions. they would be on the tape. but they did not. Why, BECAUSE TRHERE WERE NONE.
Wow, things exploding in a fire. bet thats never happened before!
I count at least 33 perimeter columns SEVERED and a half dozen more that appear to be damaged. In addition it appears that at least three of the floor slabs are partially collapsed. and that is just by looking at the photograph. I'm quite sure that there is also significant damage to other structural members that we can not see in the photo.
That is quite a lot of damage. Are you willing to risk your structural engineer's license and state that it was impossible for this building to colapse?
[edit on 20-7-2004 by HowardRoark]
Oh and I have another question for all you 'debunkers'.
Why do demolition crews spend all the time and money rigging buildings to fall in their footprint, when evidently all you really need to do is poor some kerosene in there and you get the same effect as people with degrees and years of experience?
I cant believe the demolition companies have been fooling us all these years, telling us its a science, telling us that one small mistake can cause a building to fall where they dont want it.....
THOSE LIERS! All they really need is kerosene to bring a building STRAIGHT DOWN....It worked three times on 911.
Its a wonder there are any demolition companies in buisiness still.
Suddenly the hallway began to shudder as a terrible deafening roar swept over them. That's when Will saw the giant fireball explode in the street.
The team moved ahead. Scant minutes passed. Suddenly the hallway began to shudder as a terrible deafening roar swept over them. That's when Will saw the giant fireball explode in the street. That's when Sarge shouted, "Run! Run to the left!"
Seconds later the team's entire world began to crumble. It was precisely 9:59 a.m. The Trade Center's South Tower had just collapsed.
As he left the building, [Ronald DiFrancesco] saw a fireball rolling toward him. He put his arms in front of his face. He woke up three days later at St. Vincent's hospital. His arms were burned. Some bones were broken. His lungs were singed. But he was alive -- the last person out of the south tower.
David Handschuh: "Instinctively I lifted the camera up, and something took over that probably saved my life. And that was to run rather than take pictures. I got down to the end of the block and turned the corner when a wave � a hot, solid, black wave of heat threw me down the block. It literally picked me up off my feet, and I wound up about a block away".
He photographed the second plane as it crashed through the south tower, then felt the rumble of the collapsing building.
"Instinctively I lifted the camera up, and something took over that probably saved my life. And that was to run rather than take pictures. I got down to the end of the block and turned the corner when a wave � a hot, solid, black wave of heat threw me down the block. It literally picked me up off my feet, and I wound up about a block away," he told PDNonline.
"Tower two has had major explosion and what appears to be a complete collapse"
* Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've just had another explosion.
* Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've had additional explosion.
* Dispatcher: Received battalion command. Additional explosion.
* [...]
* Dispatcher: Battalion 5, be advised we're trying to contact Battalion 3 at this moment to report north tower just collapsed.
Some eyewitnesses reported hearing another explosion just before the structure crumbled.
I hear a second explosion in WTC 2, then a loud, low-frequency rumble that precipitates the unthinkable -- a collapse of all the floors above the point of explosion.
I hear another explosion followed by a now all-too familiar rumble that signaled the collapse of WTC 1
�The top part was totally involved�the weight at the top collapsed the building�there was no explosion at the bottom.�
Louie Cacchioli, 51, is a firefighter assigned to Engine 47 in Harlem.
We were the first ones in the second tower after the plane struck. I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there was bombs set in the building.
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The team moved ahead. Scant minutes passed. Suddenly the hallway began to shudder as a terrible deafening roar swept over them. That's when Will saw the giant fireball explode in the street. That's when Sarge shouted, "Run! Run to the left!"
Seconds later the team's entire world began to crumble. It was precisely 9:59 a.m. The Trade Center's South Tower had just collapsed.
The fireball was the South Tower collapsing. No conspiracy here.
Originally posted by elevatedone
IT"S ALIVE... IT"s ALIVE...
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Originally posted by elevatedone
IT"S ALIVE... IT"s ALIVE...
argghhhhhh why won't you die, just die !!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by rkrause
Hello, I just wanted to followup that as many people already know, the first tower to collapse was a) minimally damaged from the initial impact and b) had the vast majroity of fuel payload expelled outside of the building.
Unfortunately, I have found no explanation as to why this was the building to collapse first. The integrity of the remaining supserstructure and the lack of fire evident in the video footage, does not seem to suggest that conditions were necessarily imminent for such a short time frame before catastrophic failure. Even eyewitness reports from workers that fled the building from the floor directly ABOVE the point of impact, detailed the degree of damage which was not significant enough to even take out their own floor nor the floors below. In fact, it is quite conceivable, as depicted analyses I've seen, that the core itself was mostly unaffected by the travel of the jetliner into the building.
--Randall