How will schizophrenic, bi polar people survive?

[Being a self-reliance type myself, I read around the net to try to learn more pretty much non-stop. While I'm not sure about specific Rx drugs,
I found this site www.equipped.org...
which has suggestions and links to doctor's groups who help survival minded people build a stock of basic first aid meds. I haven't used these services yet so I can't vouch for anything, but I thought I'd put the info out there. Also, I know people who buy meds in three month supplies across the border (Mexico and Canada) to stock their shelves with in case SHTF.
hope this helps,
~anahna

Thanks alot... Good help for all of us, as we're in the same basic boat.
Thought it was quite interesting that one of us stated that there were no more asylums- just therapists offices. BE AWARE! You are marked! You will be incarcerated, not in in cushy therapist office if the SHTF. Know how to disappear!
Just watching out for my fellow "crazy" folk...
B.

I used to be a social worker in a state hospital, and I honestly believe that most people that suffer from schizophrenia are for the most part extremely intelligent people that become overloaded by the burden of reality. They're hypersensitive to the World around them.

So-called "Normal" people on the otherhand, tend to filter out all the extraneous bits and pieces of information that don't make sense to them , and go about their merry way. Schizophrenics seem unable to do this.

I believe schizophrenics tend to see the World for what it really is, and it literally drives them over the proverbial edge. They realize what's happening around them, but at the same time feel helpless to do anything about it. i.e. corruption, senseless violence, war, religious deceptions, etc.

Bi-polars I believe tend to suffer primarily from a serious chemical imbalance that's organic in nature, and even with medical compliance tend to go off the deep edge periodically.

As for what to do without meds, I wouldn't concern myself overly much. You'll probably end of being messiantic pariahs, and for the most part be overlooked or avoided.



[edit on 1/20/08 by LLoyd45]

In a disaster, who's to say that neurotypicals would be the strongest and fittest? They might well not be. It could be that the moderately "crazy" and paranoid, by normal NT standards, might have a survival edge in a crisis, and the persistence of such genes despite social persecution makes population survival possible.

It seems that a large part of NT existence consists of following artificial, arbitrary, ever-changing social rules; and that for some people, such rules are paramount, more so than physical laws. (I'm so f-in' cool guzzling six beers in my sports car, cruising along at 120 ... CRASH!)

Well, if my heart will stop thumping so hard let me tell you what just happened to me. I just got a call from a cop in the city about an hour or so away from me where my 13 year old disabled son was and is visiting his Mom for the weekend. I get him back tomorrow at 3 pm. Anyway, the cop said that he was missing; my ex had given him his PM meds, ( he has Aspergers, ADHD, ODD, some psychizophrenic traits as well like minor paranoia. He takes 4 pretty heavy meds.

Of course my heart almost stopped with fear and worry but he was dressed well ( it is well below freezing here in western NC tonight ) and had his Mom's cell phone with him. She had put him to bed and he decided he was frustrated about something or other and went for a walk..snuck out. Of course as soon as she checked on him some minutes later he was gone and she called the cops right away.

just when they were talking about calling out the fire dept. and a dog he called from the Pizza Hut a few miles away letting her know he was OK..naturally the cops were there and raioed to a car to get him, and as they were pulling up he was calling me to tell me why he should not get punished when he gets home!! Slick kid but not thinking well and making good decisions.

Thanks God he is OK and safe tonight..and I thank all the cop that I am normally so hard on for their fast response. Good cops doing their job are a necessity for society to function. I am grateful.

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Glad it turned out well for you and your son. Breathe a deep sigh of relief, then get some probably much needed rest.


[edit on 1/20/08 by LLoyd45]

Thanks much..I did get some sleep and now in the AM I am so thankful..I could have been out scouring the brush on a freezing mountainside all night..many thanks for all the good wishes. When I get him home I will get him to his doctor right away and see about his meds and how they are affecting him. But for now I am one very happy Dad!!

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Just read this and my heart ached. I too have an 11 yr. old with Aspergers,Ocd, ADHD, bipolar and other problems. I have often
wondered how he would cope or how we could help him knowing
he could not get his meds. Thank God your boy is alright!! If my son
had done this we would not find him for days. He has no concept of
time. I pray you never go through a night like tonight again. I really believe we will not have to worry about this. I know God will provide all
we need. God Bless!

There is some sort of law to order those types of meds under a valid prescription. For folks that require them they should ask their doctor how that works. Beware to stay on the right side of the law though.

[edit on 8-3-2008 by Illahee]

You could always approach this subject with a depressive fatalist point of view. If I die, I no longer have to battle constant anxiety, constant loneliness, or feel bad about myself ever again.

I hope I get a minus 2000 points on this post this time to drive that depression and poor self image up a few levels

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i generally agree with your take on schizos'


now here's the other-side of-the-coin........
when the social-economic-political (worldly/mundane) paradigm
is under so much deteroriation that meds are not available...

then the schizophrenics, who used to need meds to fit into that world paradigm... will no longer need them to be self fufilled persons...

in fact they might become the wise-men of the time, because they tend to see the many-many-many layers of human interaction that is in play,
even when doing such trite stuff as choosing 'plain' or 'buttered' popcorn at the movie theatre.


since all the constraining 'norms' are thrown out-the-window when the collapse of the social oder occurs,
the need-for-Meds ~to fit in~
is no longer important

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Too bad 'fastwalker23' ---

i just did a 'Star' for ya,

about 3 more will get you a 'Atta Boy' from the mods......
and a couple of positive points !



[edit on 8-3-2008 by St Udio]

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Thanks alot. I think you might be on to something with the idea that if there is no silly value judgements and cliquish games that society engages in day to day, the ones deemed mentally will get better.

The paradox:
Perhaps the ones that engaged in the value judgements and cliquish games in society might realize "wow..it was me all along that was mentally ill...not the ones with mental illness diagnosis"

I feel better already...ty for the pat

Hi Schizoflux,

I understand what you are hinting to.
I have a B12 deficiency, within 3 months, give or take, I will become a veggie, with barely any recollection of who I am.
I have often thought of what would happen to us who depend on aid from an external source.

Naive as I am, I pray some will have compassion, some will be healers, We will redefine our relationships and dig up "old" ways of medicine.
WIS

[edit on 8-3-2008 by WalkInSilence]

This is an important issue and I have considered the possibilities for some time as the drugs being handed out today like candy to children on easter morning, are part of a much larger plan to depopulize the world. What I suggest you do is to go to your local health foods store and talk to the manager and ask what are the natural remedies for the same medications you currently take. Start stock piling those very privately, as most psychiatrists are trained to send up a red flag against anyone taking herbal or natural medicines even simple things like vitamin C. Get to know your local pharmacy and ask what the protocols will be in a major catastrophic event. They may look at you strangely as most people live in a fantasy world where nothing ever happens, so no need to think ahead, thats just crazy. And see if they would release your meds to you early so as to be more secure during the aftermath of a dire situation. The other possibility would be to talk to your Dr. and let them know that you would like to have a months worth of your medicines put back for any possible future emergency. It is suggested on the FEMA website that all people have one months supply in your emergency supply kit. Along with a spare set of eye glasses, denture repair kit. It is not crazy to want to be prepared, then you can relax, if nothing happens you rotate your stock.

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There will be natural healers, but that system will take time to implement as the healers and wholistic practitioners will be silent at first so as not to get raided.

Originally posted by Mainer
Survival has a way of focusing the mind.

And putting up with the alarm clock, getting the kids to school, getting to your work, dealing with all that crap, paying bills, blah, blah, blah is also a lot more complex than basic survival, really. (And probably more stressful, considering the environmental factors and lack of physical exercise.)

Originally posted by Schizoflux
Medications to schizo, bi polar people are as vital as food. Where would we go, or how would one prepare a stockpile? You can't stock any needed meds because the only way you can get it is over the counter through a doctors prescription. 1 month supply maximum, usually. Is there any way I could stockpile 1 year supply of lithium carbonate or anti-psyhotic? Depending how long the disaster endures, after 3-4 days no medication a mentally ill person starts receiving delusions, hallucinations, and psychotic episodes. There's no telling what he or she will end up doing, it is very possible for them to end up doing something life threatening. I don't think a mentally ill person would survive long.

Most prescription plans allow you to get up to a 3 month supply if purchased directly through them. I get a 3 month supply for the cost of a 2 month supply.

Just something you may want to look into.

Originally posted by GENERAL EYES
Speaking as someone who deals with schizoaffective disorder (a mild version of schizophrenia) and bipolar - I'd have to say that depending on the survival situation at hand I might actually do alright.

As far as medications, I find that if I am far from the general populace and surrounded by nature almost constantly, my episodic breaks and depression/mania almost cease to be a factor entirely.

*two cents*

Bravo for a brilliant two cents.

After working with the mentally ill for 8 years - I have seen the same phenom.
The stimulus alone on this planet can set anyone ablaze and has and does.
It is my contention many of the "mentally ill" are just set very high on the "sensitivity to stimuli" scale. And - clearly we see a different kind of mental illness displaying itself in politics - fanatical sects of a religion - etc... We just don't label them the same. But someday... we will.




[edit on 17-1-2009 by spinkyboo]