Gigantic Alien Craft Photographed By Cassini! NASA’s Cover-Up Blown?

Mike, I just wanted to say thanx for this thread, and all of your posts. You have clearly done plenty of homework, and judging from the high-volume of compliments from the ATS community in general for your contributions, I'm not the only one enlightened by the fantastic information you have shared, and continue to share.

Is it really possible to ignite Jupiter with a nuke from Earth? That's incredibly delicate . . . would ET allow it?

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I think Mike will start us a new thread on this topic... maybe Terrapop will share more on that Project Lucifer

One thing that I have found lately is that Artur C Clarks name comes up a lot

We are tracking some more info on 'space colonies' and he popped up. There are rumors he is ex CIA and I always thought he was just a sci fi writer... I now know where the idea "Rendevous with Rama' came from and 2001 shows exactly what we are talking about here Ignition of Jupiter...

Now I also have heard that the monolith on the moon was real and that's where the link to the CIA comes in ...

This is getting crazy... I can't keep up with the data overload...

seems in fact ACC does more than right sci-fi

Clarke, A. C.: Electromagnetic Launching as a Major Contributor to Space Flight. J. British Interplanetary Soc., vol.9, 1950, pp. 261-267.

1950????

I must have stepped into another dimension...

Zorgon, you have waaayy more access to insider-info than I could ever hope to have, one could imagine your brain cells planning a strike if this doesn't simplify soon --like GM from new info overload.

I literally had to take a few days away from it all just to understand that I don't understand anything, really, over the weekend. Common folk think I've really delved into all of this far too deeply, but then these are quoters of world-status ala MSM, who still think we can vote our way out of this mess. 30,000 mile long ships? And someone mentioned earlier in the thread they may belong to the Reptillians? There goes the solar system!

And now it appears that Clark's Fed? But thinking about it, how else could anyone acquire those high levels of intel such as ACC seemed to have been privy to, unless they had reach beyond the average Joe (or Jane)? Messages to those who have ears to hear, I guess. Not exactly sure about now that we know, what do we do, but I would much rather be in the know than shocked to pieces when a mothership materializes over The Galleria.

I need to do some more study of Undo's Abzu books, we seem to be in that turbulently controversial period of time referenced by the Book of Revelation. While I don't biblethump, my science mind can't help but notice extreme correlations between what is supposed to happen (Revelation, other prophetic books) and what actually is happening.

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You claim to have worked on Cassini's power systems? Good for you! Then you're probably mixed up with NASA/JPL.

Please re-read my response. I did not claim to have worked on the power systems (duh) only that I know someone who has/did. You inability to read and understand my post pretty much makes any response you give a mute point, does it not?

Project Lucifer, lol.

So wait... how did this picture even get out? If they were alien craft, you think NASA would not have released this picture without some "airbrushing". Did they screw up? If they did, shouldnt it make bigger news then a French tabloid?

Alright, I'm just stumbling across this massive thread, it would be too cumbersome to claw through it all, so I have a question:

Has anyone raised the possibility of photo manipulation? Has anyone analyzed this for signs of photo manipulation?

I'm not ready to say we're onto something here until someone can rule out manipulation.

Originally posted by uberarcanist

Alright, I'm just stumbling across this massive thread, it would be too cumbersome to claw through it all,

And certainly not relevant to the post......

so I have a question:

Has anyone raised the possibility of photo manipulation? Has anyone analyzed this for signs of photo manipulation?

Many photos have been posted in this thread. Did you have particular photo in mind? Also, photos are manipulated from the time the image enters the lens, is there any particular type of manipulation you were interested in?

I'm not ready to say we're onto something here until someone can rule out manipulation.

Of course not. Can anyone rule out manipuation? Hello? Hello out there?
Anyone? Nope. Guess not. Sorry uberarcanist.

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Ohhh...a really catty post by johnlear. 'Smatter, still stinging from your poor showing on the latest Lear disinfo exposee thread?

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OK I will read the thread, but the post was honest. I'll look for the NASA responses. Even NASA does not know much about ring dynamics. Mostly theory based on observation. Could still easily be an unmapped shepard moon. NASA, while there are some very smart people there, are pretty much clueless about much of what they see. I've worked with NASA on site and they are doiks like the rest of us.

I believe that there are possibly generation ships or colony ships in many places. Around the solar system or even "in" the Moon. Under sea Earth for that matter. I think it is so much harder to find a cotton ball in a cloudy sky that I usually cut bait and go to the next best case. I am quite interested that NASA responded with a question mark.

GMM

Doesn't it bother anyone, that through a telescope (a large one at that) all appears well in the Saturnian sysetm? No purtabations of moons, no discolouration in the rings or Cassini Division, nothing...

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Originally posted by OptionToChoose
Mike, I just wanted to say thanx for this thread, and all of your posts. You have clearly done plenty of homework, and judging from the high-volume of compliments from the ATS community in general for your contributions, I'm not the only one enlightened by the fantastic information you have shared, and continue to share.

Is it really possible to ignite Jupiter with a nuke from Earth? That's incredibly delicate . . . would ET allow it?

Thanks OTC!

Regarding the nuking of Saturn, igniting it into a sun to warm the outer moons in the Solar System, in order to make them habitable for human habitation, there's a thread of mine here...

There are a few more threads on the topic on ATS, but this one's the latest.

Cheers!




[edit on 25-9-2007 by mikesingh]

Originally posted by ZeroGhost
NASA, while there are some very smart people there, are pretty much clueless about much of what they see. I've worked with NASA on site and they are doiks like the rest of us.

Bingo! At last someone who has worked with NASA itself, to reinforce our suspicions that there ARE Doiks a dozen out there at NASA!!

This calls for a beer! Cheers!


[edit on 25-9-2007 by mikesingh]

Originally posted by timelike

Doesn't it bother anyone, that through a telescope (a large one at that) all appears well in the Saturnian sysetm? No purtabations of moons, no discolouration in the rings or Cassini Division, nothing...

[edit on 25-9-2007 by timelike]

yes, this bothers me greatly. Almost like there is a giant sheet covering the sky? We view a holograph in the nighttime sky every night?

it is the 10k lb elephant in the room, i think. There are other big elephants, too. Like someone saying above that if that picture was such big news, would it not have appeared in the tabloid?

Interesting question. Does it not seem that news organizations ignore the truly newsworthy items in lieu of political misdirections provided to keep the masses confused and looking in the other direction?

What you "know" is likely not true. The truth, it would seem (when we get peeks behind the curtain), is wierder than anything you would consider possible.

then again, perhaps not.

Originally posted by OptionToChoose
Zorgon, you have waaayy more access to insider-info than I could ever hope to have,

Option... I have 'waaayy more access to insider-info' than I want to have but if you want that access just U2U me... but that access comes with a price... there is no going back

While we are peeking in on AC Clarke... lets toss Carl Sagan into the ring shall we?

Most here accept Space.com as a more mainstream source of info... so I find it ironic that they ran this story... but in fairness they do report the truth yes?

Air Force Had Plans to Nuke Moon

Part of the team researching the hypothetical explosion was a young Carl Sagan, who was recruited to study how the mushroom cloud would expand and collapse under the moons lighter gravity. Sagan proposed that a legitimate scientific purpose for the explosion could have been examining the cloud for possible organic material.

Years later, Sagan apparently presented some of the results of his research on the project in an application for an academic fellowship. Reiffel believes that by doing so Sagan breached national security, as the primary secret of the project was its very existence. This breach of security was discussed in a recent biography of the astronomer, but was not detailed in that book.

www.space.com...

Ummm okay so they just write science fiction huh? So Carl Sagan thought it a great idea to drop an Atomic Bomb on the Moon to search for ORGANIC MATERIAL? What was he going to do... scrap up the vaporized parts of critters? And just how was he going to get up there to do that? And they called this a legitimate scientific purpose

How is THAT one for your brain cells? And you know what I think of SG1 Sorry to mess up your reality... and to think our taxes actually PAY these guys to do stuff like this...

NASA's new 'scientific method' Smashing spacecraft deliberately into objects (Galileo and Cassini each carried 34 lbs and 72 lbs of Plutonium, Fat Boy that nuked Nagasaki had 'only' 12 lbs) and doing "Flyby Shootings' of Venus with Lasers...

NASA's New 'Sport"

I hear tell Space.com doesn't approve of my analysis of this "Sport"

And someone mentioned earlier in the thread they may belong to the Reptillians? There goes the solar system!

You know... I used to be very skeptical about the Reptilians... other than their possible connection to Sumeria but a recent letter had this...

Thanks, Ron. I got a kick out of reading your note! YES..MIB's do exist. Did you get a chance to read my story about the 'visitor' I met at MacDill? He had 2 sets of eyelids...honestly...reptilian! I about # my pants when I saw his eyes...never forget them!

Sorry I can't say who that was from... but for ME that was a rude awakening

Now that came after Jack had told me his story...

I would strongly suggest anyone interested read this one

www.thelivingmoon.com...

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Originally posted by mikesingh

Regarding the nuking of Saturn, igniting it into a sun to warm the outer moons in the Solar System

Mike and John... there is one thing that caught my eye immediately in the "Lucifer Project" information...

This is a documentation and study of the feasibility of creating a sustainable fusion reaction from an initial fission reaction on Saturn caused by a significant quantity of Plutonium-238 being inserted deep into the atmosphere. A fusion-ignited Saturn-sun would be the key to creating a human-habitable area on Titan. This report is the result of my intensive research on this subject since late 2002. I could not be so confident in my assertions if it were not for the additional key research of Jacco van der Worp, a Netherlands physicist,

There is that damn Netherlands connection rearing its head again...

So the question is did AC Clarke write a cool story and THEY thought "This is a cool idea..." or did he write the script



does the name "Bilderburg" ring any bells?

Before you all continue on speculating about the Lucifer Project, I think you should know that Tom Bedlam has shown how it's highly improbable for it to work in this post.

Sorry to rain on the parade.

Originally posted by Beachcoma highly improbable

Maybe true..

But my question stands... WHY?

Why drop 6 times the plutonium of the Fat Boy bomb into Saturn? Why not just leave it in orbit for future generations to collect?

I guess plutonium is so plentiful that it has no value...

Or are they worried the Aliens might send it back



And no one has yet explained to me what caused the secondary explosion that ignited the comet Tempel 1 for over 19 hours?





If this kind of 'target practice' is 'scientific research' I pity the human race. IF there are any ET watching these shinnanegans, what kind of message are we sending

Carl wants to 'nuke' the moon to look for signs of life by blasting it to kingdom come
Messenger does a Venus 'flyby shooting' with high power lasers
And now they are planning a new mission whose sole purpose is to smash two more spacecraft into the moon to 'hunt for water', something Clementine already found according to the DoD

Well all you amateur astronomers.. mark your calenders

NASA to crash probes on moon in water hunt
Impact should be visible from Earth via telescope

NASA’s next mission to the moon will not merely orbit the gray satellite, but crash two vehicles into its South Pole to hunt for water ice, the space agency said Monday.

In addition to mapping the moon to support future astronaut missions, NASA’s Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) spaceflight will also aim a spent fuel stage and impactor probe at a southern crater rich in hydrogen and, possibly, ice.

“I think aggressively touching the moon is an understatement,” said Scott Horowitz, NASA’s associate administrator for the Exploration Systems Mission Directorate, in a Monday press conference. “What this mission buys is an early attempt to know what some of the resources we’re going to have ... we know for sure that for human exploration to succeed we’re going to have to essentially live off the land.”

www.msnbc.msn.com...


Crash Landing on the Moon

NASA to Crash Probe Into Moon in Search of Water


Sounds more like kids playing with firecrackers than 'scientists' 'exploring' our solar system, only they are using YOUR tax dollars

I don't know about you, but I think its time to write congress

[edit on 25-9-2007 by zorgon]

Secondary explosion? You say you have a lot of astronomy contacts and such, rather than insinuating that we may have hit something "artificial" why don't you ponder the object that was hit, what it's properties are, what the likely impact would produce, possible prolonged ejecta possibilities (remember what it is we hit) and you could come up with some much more plausible reasons. I could list some things that make a -little- more sense, but if you sit and think about it for a while you will get more out of it.

Why is it you always want to jump to the farthest out there conclusion on everything? I know, i know, you will say I am some blind denier and debunker that must always try to use logic, reason, and common sense to throw mud.

Originally posted by zorgon

I guess plutonium is so plentiful that it has no value...

Yeah. Being that it's a by-product of spent nuclear fuel.

Britain has enough plutonium for 1000s of Nagasakis: report

That's just Britain alone.

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
Secondary explosion? You say you have a lot of astronomy contacts and such, rather than insinuating that we may have hit something "artificial" why don't you ponder the object that was hit, what it's properties are, what the likely impact would produce, possible prolonged ejecta possibilities (remember what it is we hit) and you could come up with some much more plausible reasons. I could list some things that make a -little- more sense, but if you sit and think about it for a while you will get more out of it.

Why is it you always want to jump to the farthest out there conclusion on everything? I know, i know, you will say I am some blind denier and debunker that must always try to use logic, reason, and common sense to throw mud.

I would ask anyone to explain what comets are made of. There is so much conflicting evidence out there, the textbook model surely must be wrong:

thunderbolts.info...

Where is the ice?

Here is another view:




If you present your ideas in a way that leaves out smugness and insult, you tend to get a lot further. I happen to think that just about everything man knows (or thinks he knows) is incorrect. We are shown evidence of this everyday (for example, the NASA guys not expecting the large second flash, or being able to explain it). This would tend to make me equally skeptical when considering soul towers or something seemingly mundane like the "Accretion Disk Theory" of solar system formation (still wanting to see picture evidence of THAT process in action). Speaking of which, using the Accretion Disk Theory, how would you explain this:




The small brown blob is the star, the big white blob is the planet. Critical mass my foot.