A Woman Rides the Beast - Roman Catholic Church

Here is some info on Rome. A little bit of everything. Prophecy, you name it.

Any who like to gripe about all the wars waged by "christians". Take a look.

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Yeah the possibility that the vatican and the jesuit order are behind the NWO is something im starting to look into.

check out the website spirituallysmart.com

i'll redirect you to something: your own ignorance. the catholic church is no less christian than any other sect of christianity. in fact, i'd say protestantism is far more removed from the early teachings of christianity the catholicism, which is quite obvious when you look into the history of christianity.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i'll redirect you to something: your own ignorance. the catholic church is no less christian than any other sect of christianity. in fact, i'd say protestantism is far more removed from the early teachings of christianity the catholicism, which is quite obvious when you look into the history of christianity.

I was raised catholic and have practiced at least for 15 years of my life. The catholic church is guilty of many things that are "unchristian." In fact, the roman catholic church has one of the most corrupt, violent, and intolerant histories i can think of.

Originally posted by Meatclown
I was raised catholic and have practiced at least for 15 years of my life. The catholic church is guilty of many things that are "unchristian." In fact, the roman catholic church has one of the most corrupt, violent, and intolerant histories i can think of.

we aren't talking about the past here... we're talking about current theology.

and intolerance is something inherent in all religions, i should just point that out. jesus was intolerant of samaritans and gentiles, specifically instructing his followers not to preach to them

Wisesheep,

Very good! I've read the book too.
It's much more in depth. VERY TRUE!!!

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

we aren't talking about the past here... we're talking about current theology.

Yes, even in their current practice many aspects of their dogma could be considered unchristian. The biggest one being the receiving of the Eucharist and the worship of mary "mother of god." This worship is an extension of the babylonian mystery religion. She represents the egyptian godess Isis, mother of horus.

and intolerance is something inherent in all religions, i should just point that out.

I agree with you here. This is precisely why i don't go to church.

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I've read a lot of your posts and you seem to make these blanket statements against Christianity without any substantial backing. Your statements appear as though you expect them to be true because you type them. Why don't you ever back your statements up with evidence? Is it because you're just stating what you are told to state, because you think we're too dumb to understand the evidence, or some other reason?

For those of us who don't want to sit through a movie, is there a short version? I'm wondering if this is just a rehash of the same old discussion we've had before, with nothing new in the movie... the only change is that golly-gee, someone put music and voiceovers to it so you don't have to read.

Jesus have mercy ... yet ANOTHER freak'n anti-Catholic thread with wide-eyed hanger-ons all posting inaccurate drivel.

Originally posted by Meatclown
The biggest one being the receiving of the Eucharist and the worship of mary "mother of god."

Read the catechism ... Mary is not worshipped. As the Catechism states - worship belongs to God alone .. and that is the only worship being done in the Catholic Church - to GOD.

BTW - Mary IS the Mother of God. Christ was God and she is his mother.
Just as ANY human mother is the mother of her child. The human mother doesn't generate the soul and neither did Mary generate Christ's soul.

She is the Mother of God because Christ is God. It in no way makes her divine.

All you anti-Catholic rabble out there really ought to actually read the Catechism of the Catholic Church as well as the theology instead of getting your education from Jack Chick tracts.

:shk:

Originally posted by Meatclown
Yes, even in their current practice many aspects of their dogma could be considered unchristian. The biggest one being the receiving of the Eucharist

jesus said: eat my body and drink my blood... (do i need to cite this?)
that's the whole basis for the eucharist.
i don't see why this is unchristian

and the worship of mary "mother of god."

catholics don't WORSHIP her, they revere her. in the same way that muslims view mohammed, not as someone to be worshiped, but someone that's held up as an example

This worship is an extension of the babylonian mystery religion. She represents the egyptian godess Isis, mother of horus.

...you have a fair misunderstanding of mythology here. isis and horus are egyptian deities...

Originally posted by IRTehBomb
I've read a lot of your posts and you seem to make these blanket statements against Christianity without any substantial backing.

ad hom attack.... you don't provide anything that you want to specifically question. i'm not going to back up each statement i make in response with evidence unless i'm asked for it. if you want to question it, i'll bring up arguments and evidence in response.

Your statements appear as though you expect them to be true because you type them.

again, ad hom, you have nothing cited to show this... which is actually comic irony

Why don't you ever back your statements up with evidence?

...um, i have. look at every time someone claims einstein was a theist, i repeatedly quote HIM saying otherwise. i've brought up evidence when asked for it. if someone doesn't believe a statement i make, i can support it. otherwise, why waste time posting evidence?

Is it because you're just stating what you are told to state, because you think we're too dumb to understand the evidence, or some other reason?

it's because i don't see the point in just throwing evidence out until i'm asked for it. if you want evidence, go ahead an ask.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Jesus have mercy ... yet ANOTHER freak'n anti-Catholic thread with wide-eyed hanger-ons all posting inaccurate drivel.

Read the catechism ... Mary is not worshipped. As the Catechism states - worship belongs to God alone .. and that is the only worship being done in the Catholic Church - to GOD.

Actually in the catholic church, you prey to mary all the time. "holy mary, mother of god, prey for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death"

What it is about mary that makes her devine?

BTW - Mary IS the Mother of God. Christ was God and she is his mother.
Just as ANY human mother is the mother of her child. The human mother doesn't generate the soul and neither did Mary generate Christ's soul.

Exactly, she gave birth to the man, not to his divine soul. She is NOT the mother of god. Nobody is.

She is the Mother of God because Christ is God. It in no way makes her divine.

Then why all the statues? Theres more statues of mary in my old catholic church than there are of jesus. Why all the prayers?

Also, if jesus already died for our sins, why is that sacrifice replayed every week in the catholic religion? Why do we have to go through a priest to be forgiven by jesus? Seems like well disguised paganism to me.

All you anti-Catholic rabble out there really ought to actually read the Catechism of the Catholic Church as well as the theology instead of getting your education from Jack Chick tracts.

Spare me the personal insults, i was raised catholic, my whole mother's side is catholic, i know what it is.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
you have a fair misunderstanding of mythology here. isis and horus are egyptian deities...

Correct, a typing error on my part. I think you will find though that alot of the seemingly isolated pagan religions have striking similarities so it wouldn't be much of a surprise to me if all had the common origin in a place like ancient babylon.


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Originally posted by FlyersFan
BTW - Mary IS the Mother of God. Christ was God and she is his mother.
Just as ANY human mother is the mother of her child. The human mother doesn't generate the soul and neither did Mary generate Christ's soul.

She is the Mother of God because Christ is God. It in no way makes her divine.

This is very confusing. And, my questions are genuine, no ridicule intended just open exchange...

Mary is the Mother of God because Christ is God? Was Mary the conduit through which God passed through from heaven to earth? Or was she physically impregnated by a divine action? Or did the spirit of God pass into the child she was carrying? Or none of the above if you wouldn't mind explaining this to me.

I started watching the clip but as soon as I saw it was yet another US-WASP prophecy-fulfillment escapade I turned off. In my opinion the greatest load of drivel comes out of that store. They quote the Bible as though their interpretation is FACT. If they're not attcking the Catholics/Jesuits, its the Freemasons or the Zionists and it all comes back to Revelations. I personally find it completely alien that people can even believe that, but I am assured they do. Everything is possible in my mind - though not necessarily probable.

I think much of the problem is the fact that for every given passage in the Bible there have been multiple translations and interpretations and it seems so important to some that everything means something.

I am a typical agnostic, I happily accept that I can neither prove nor disprove the existence of a God. I do not pray or speak to a God, but I behave as though there could be someone watching and I listen to my conscience. Cheesy, but I find it so frustrating that people cannot just accept each other as individuals, why the need to bracket and spread doom and gloom. The world is in a mess - perhaps less talking and more spreading faith, hope and charity.

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I agree with madness, good post buddy!

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I have nothing against catholics man. Some of my best friends I met through the church. Its establishment where my beef resides. I know its easy to take personally, but please, don't. I don't mean ill will towards anybody on these forums.

Originally posted by Meatclown
Correct, a typing error on my part. I think you will find though that alot of the seemingly isolated pagan religions have striking similarities so it wouldn't be much of a surprise to me if all had the common origin in a place like ancient babylon.

that horrid hypothesis was brought up by poster sunmatrix several times... and has been shot down repeatedly.

it's more likely because of the similarity in the average human psyche, not a common origin.

just like why christianity has pagan influences...

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Shot down in your dreams maddness. I expect you to cut and run as usual when specifics get mentioned.

Originally posted by Meatclown
Actually in the catholic church, you prey to mary all the time. "holy mary, mother of god, prey for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death"

We are not worshiping Mary, we are asking for her intercession on our behalf.

There is biblical proof of her intercession, if you would only read the bible, you would see why it makes sense.

I will show you the biblical proof that she can intercede for us, take a look:

John 2: On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus' mother was there, 2 and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding. 3 When the wine was gone, Jesus' mother said to him, "They have no more wine."

4 "Dear woman, why do you involve me?" Jesus replied, "My time has not yet come."

5 His mother said to the servants, "Do whatever he tells you."

6 Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing, each holding from twenty to thirty gallons.

7 Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim.

8 Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet."

They did so, 9 and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside 10 and said, "Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now."

11 This, the first of his miraculous signs, Jesus performed in Cana of Galilee. He thus revealed his glory, and his disciples put their faith in him.

As you can see, Mary interceded in this miracle, look at what Jesus said in verse 4, "Dear woman, why do you involve me?" Jesus replied, "My time has not yet come."

Yet by the intercession of his mother Mary, he completed the miracle.

Now that I have proven myself beyond doubt, say that you're sorry to all us Catholics.


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O.K.,
The communion, which represents Jesus as the passover lamb,
took a whole new meaning for the
roman church. (the priest performing transubstantiation, whereby he supposedly changes the wafer and wine into the body and blood of Jesus. Non-adherants have been burned at the stake, skinned alive,etc..see Halley's writings.
Also Pope John Paul the second wrote that indeed Mary was the immaculate mother of God, because the divine blood first flowed through her.
He also was vigorously trying to make the virgin mary, Co-Redemptrix on the same level as Jesus...