NEW 9/11 VIDEO - FLIGHT 93 Fraud - #1 Smoking Gun evidence

reply to post by Spoodily

I agree 100%
Someone could easily have gone in even a day or two before 9/11 and dug the trench out.

Is anyone else noticing how small the crash looks in NovusOrdoMundi's picture?
It looks as if its the width of the road beside it x3. Anyone have any photographs of similar airplanes crashing and the width of the crash?

Originally posted by CyborgPirateNinjaJesus
I find it absolutely amazing that people still debunk "911 inside job" concept.

I don't. There's a lot of disjointed hand waving and doodling on pictures and videos and slapping ad hoc pods, holograms and scars into a mish-mash of unsubstantiated claims surrounding the "inside job" concept. I find it absolutely amazing that the entire mess can be taken serious by anyone at this point.

BUT, with that said, and putting out the REAL tragedy here, there appears to be a lot of cover up surrounding the events of 911 and a lot of tax dollars spent on analyses and investigations that presented final reports in opposition to the data they list...and that's the reason I keep reading these threads.

So don't go getting uppity with people who won't jump on your particular band wagon. That just means some of us, in fact, do need more (and in a lot of cases SOME) evidence.

[edit on 9-6-2007 by Valhall]

reply to post by CyborgPirateNinjaJesus


I think you hit the nail on the head. After all Mexican trucks are coming in the US today. 9-11 paved the way to the North American Union. If you say I'm crazy then why did Bush and the PM and the President of Mexico had a meeting behind closed doors- I have a transcript btw incase people are interested.

Cyborg people will debunk this for the next hundred years. We hear so much our truth beomes clouded and some would believe a fake video showing a b-52 flown by bigfoot bombing the pentagon. (example)

Its a shame that we can't put our heads together and piece this together without getting debunked evrey two seconds. People refuse to accept the fact that we lost over 3,000+ people. Lost wtc's 1,2 and 7. They want to blame it on jet fuel.

Remeber Bush's reaction when the aide told him of the attack? He did nothing. He just sat there. And if anyone makes snide comments to this why don't you join the traitors Bush and his crew.

I'm fed up too. While people are asleep America is edging closer to the NAU. And nothing is being done about it.

so you mean flight 93 did not exist ?? I just seen a movie on it on the discovery channel...just Hollywood B.S. people getting cell phone calls that day form 93 please step forward .. I am so confused !! :puz

Ummm Ill debunk it.

My proof? THE DEAD PASSENGERS WHO'S FAMILY'S STILL DON'T HAVE THEM SITTING AT THE DINNER TABLE AT THANKSGIVING.

DERRRRRRR!

Originally posted by 12SeVeN34
I remember seeing somewhere that the manifests for the planes were all screwed up and the members of two planes that were mis-numbered had been evacuated from their planes into a security bunker. anyone remember where that was?

Think you talking about this...

256.com...

Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:19:40 EDT
Subject: A close brush with death and happy to be alive

Dear Friends,

Many of you knew that [my spouse] and I and many [fellow] employees were on an 8 am flight from Boston to LA on Tuesday morning. I am happy to be alive and to be able to tell you of the events of our harrowing journey. Even though it has been only 48 hours since we departed Logan, it feels as though a lifetime has passed.

[My spouse] and I and six other fellow [...] employees were on the 8 am flight from Boston to Los Angeles on Tuesday, but we were on the Delta flight [1989], the one out of three 8am flights departing Logan that did not get hijacked. Instead, we were forced to make an emergency landing in Cleveland because there were reports that a bomb or hijacking was taking place on our plane. The pilot had radioed that there was suspicious activity in the cabin since one of the passengers was speaking urgently on his cellphone and ignored repeated flight attendant requests to stop using his cell phone while in flight. Also, there was an irregularity in the passenger manifest because there were two people [with the same middle eastern name] who were listed but only one aboard.

After our emergency landing, our plane was directed to go to an isolated area of the airport, and we waited for over two hours in quarantine before FBI agents and bomb sniffing dogs came out to the plane. Just after we landed, the pilot gave us permission to make one very brief telephone call before we were banned from any further telephone use. The sixty or so passengers were thus able to gather some alarming details of the unbelievable fates of the other two LA-bound planes and the collapse of the World Trade Center towers, the suicide bombing of the Pentagon as well as reports of other plane crashes in PA and LA (LA proved unfounded) before we were cut off from any further communication. Unfortunately, all this information only added to the alarm and confusion we felt as we waited for over two hours far away from the gates of the airport.

256.com...

Delta Flight 1989 - with 69 passengers and a crew of nine - was grounded at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport yesterday. It had left Boston en route to Los Angeles. There had been rumors a bomb was on board, but none was found.

A plane diverted to Cleveland Hopkins International Airport yesterday morning was kept sitting on a runway for a couple hours and its passengers were interviewed by FBI agents. But suspicions that the plane had been hijacked or had a bomb on board turned out to be unfounded.

Delta Flight 1989 made an emergency landing at Hopkins about 10:45 a.m., nearly two hours after the World Trade Center towers were hit by two hijacked planes.

thepost.baker.ohiou.edu...

CLEVELAND - No explosives were found aboard a Delta flight from Boston that was forced to land at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport because of fears it had been hijacked, city officials said.

The Federal Aviation Administration had been informed at 9:45 a.m. of a possible hijacking of a plane headed for Cleveland, said FBI spokesman Mark Bullock.

Flight 1989 to Los Angeles was not hijacked but was grounded by Delta because it was in the same flight pattern as a plane that was hijacked and struck the World Trade Center in New York, Bullock said.

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[edit on 6/9/2007 by Umbrax]

Seriously,
There are so many thing that could have happened..
Nobody knows what happened to the people on the plane, yet I am still going with the story of it landing in Cleveland. From there.. who knows.

Are there any "secret" bases near Cleveland that the passengers could have been taken to?

Originally posted by EZ14U2C
Seriously,
There are so many thing that could have happened..
Nobody knows what happened to the people on the plane, yet I am still going with the story of it landing in Cleveland. From there.. who knows.

Are there any "secret" bases near Cleveland that the passengers could have been taken to?

Did you even read my post that is above? It was a mistaken identity that Delta flight was Flight 93 when it actually was not.

reply to post by Valhall

Thank you for your reply.
It's not so much the whole "jumping on the bandwagon" (though i do see how one could get that from my post) The real matter is, that the orchestrator's of 9/11 (whomever they may be) are responsible for the loss of 3000+ lives. Their (the victims) only crime was going to work to supports themselves or their families. Then they were sacrificed for "The Hidden Agenda". Call it what you will, but this great injustice must be set right. A lot of people talk about seeking purpose in life, and i don't see how anyone can ignore something this big when so many people are blinded by the Official (which has more holes than swiss cheese). I feel somewhat responsible in spreading the info. For example: I will go to great lengths to show my friends all the information (articles, videos, post, news reports, etc.) that i have come across. I do not add any of my views to the matter so they can make up their own mind(which is how it should be). But you've gotta admit, after being exposed to all of this, listening to someone talk of the "Official Story", is like listen to a kid talk about Santa. I guess only time will tell. It can be really frustrating witnessing such unjust actions go on in our world. We were brought up to believe in justice, but that just seems to be a fanciful illusion. At least that's all it will be if nothing is done.


It's almost like that scene in Mall Rats when one character can't see the sailboat in the magic eye picture. (tell him to stare at it all he wants he still wont see what you do.)



Sorry again for the long reply and thanks again for listening to my thoughts on the matter.

like others posted before, this "scar" may not be the same at the days of the disappearing of the plane, but that doesn't mean someone deleted the old scar(s) and put a new one to it.
a old one would look also like an old one..
and this might throw up the question if there were plans do make some plane-disappearing-job before 9/11.

the crash site by the way can only be genuine if the plane would be out of pure metal and digged itself way deep into the earth, staying intact and not losing ony tiny part..
because this is impossible and the crater is a crater (made by a bomb) and the scar is something digged out because wings dont leave this kind of scar without setting everything around at fire.

btw, what is the 2008 picture trying to say?

Originally posted by DisabledVet
Ummm Ill debunk it.

My proof? THE DEAD PASSENGERS WHO'S FAMILY'S STILL DON'T HAVE THEM SITTING AT THE DINNER TABLE AT THANKSGIVING.

DERRRRRRR!

were any bodies found? as long as there is no body, some people won't be saying they are dead.

[edit on 6/9/2007 by rxnnxs]

[edit on 6/9/2007 by rxnnxs]

Its too bad you dont hold the official story to the same tough standard of "evidence." The fact that Bin Laden is not even wanted for the crimes of 911 is bad enough. But when you look at the "confession tape" and consider that is ALL we have linking him to 911. Not to mention Bin Laden came out days after 911 and said he had nothing to do with it... well wait a minute, I thought the point of terrorism was to get your name or the name of your cause out there... funny how EVERY other terrorist attack has people claim it within hours.. but not this one, not the single most difficult, well orchestrated and perfectly timed operation of all time. Nobody wanted credit for that? Huh, just ANOTHER coincidence.

Originally posted by shug7272

[edit on 9-6-2007 by Valhall]

Its too bad you dont hold the official story to the same tough standard of "evidence."

It's too bad you didn't research my posting history and get a better understanding of my position on this subject prior to charging me with this. It's all or nothing isn't it? If I don't swallow scars and squibs then I'm an "official story" swallower, right?

whatever - you don't know me or my position - obviously.

Completely lame . I see no smoke and no gun . useless as usual .
It always amaze's me on how little it takes you truthers to scream
" SMOKIN' GUN , SMOKIN' GUN ! " and on such old evidence .
Ever hammer a nail into the groung ? It disappears . Ever seen a jumbo
jet crash into the dirt at 600mph ? Me either , but i suspect it looks alot like
that hole in Shanksville .
Besides , the family members got to hear the cockpit voice recordings and have told what's on it . But you folks always seem to leave that one out as well .Can't pick and chose the evidence as it suits you , you have to look at it all , and you folks just can't do that .
I would love to have a sit down " talk " with some of you truthers , just
to fan the air of all those " Smokin' Guns " But i seriously doubt that an adult conversation would take place .
My e-mail is listed. I dont look at u2u's.

Originally posted by Valhall

Originally posted by shug7272

[edit on 9-6-2007 by Valhall]

Its too bad you dont hold the official story to the same tough standard of "evidence."

It's too bad you didn't research my posting history and get a better understanding of my position on this subject prior to charging me with this. It's all or nothing isn't it? If I don't swallow scars and squibs then I'm an "official story" swallower, right?

whatever - you don't know me or my position - obviously.


Your absolutely right. I apologize.

[edit on 6-9-2007 by shug7272]

I'm new here, and all this is a very interesting read. However, being the skeptic that I am about anything, I'm no expert on aviation and one can't help but wonder how fast this plane was going when it "supposedly" crashed. If it was going full speed straight down, would there be anything left?? I would think an explosion at that high of a velocity would pretty much vaporize anything and then of course there wouldn't be any debris, now would there?

I may be wrong and we can all speculate until our eyes bleed, but until someone comes out with an OFFICIAL report stating otherwise, I'll be kinda in the middle on this one.

Also, as far as the other crash reported to have hit at Camp David, you have to realize all the chaos of that day. Hell, there were reports of the White House being hit and planes all in the sky that were hijacked, it's human nature to assume the worst. Everyone, including the government, was just as confused about what was going on and what was really happening that day as the common citizen. So it would only be human for misinformation and facts be be jumbled.

That's just my opinion, and I've read a lot of stuff about these conspiracy theories, some are very thorough and quite a good read, but I have to believe otherwise.

I'm always open-minded, so anything is possible in this day and age.

The Flight 93 crash site was an abandoned strip mine that was being
reclaimed aka it was filled in, landscaped and planted with grass and trees
Consider the time frame 1994 to 2001 (7 years for you tin foilers) - plenty
of time to alter the contours. Also aerial photography can be difficult
to evaluate - different sun angles at different times and dates of the year
can cast shadows which easily fool people.

As for conspirators digging a trench to simulate a plane crash - there
are houses within few hundred yards, nobody saw any kind of heavy
machinery in the area. Also aircrafts (like car parts) are serial numbered
so how can any one haul up truckloads of plane parts (including jet
engines) without being seem, much less getting all the parts to match
Flight 93.

reply to post by thedman


Who needs heavy machinery? Look at the "crash site" I could dig that with two friends and some shovels in a few hours. I guess this is just another 911 "coincidence".

[edit on 6-9-2007 by shug7272]

Sure you can dig a hole big and deep enought to bury a 767! The
data and flight recorders were found at depths of 15 and 25 feet. Show
me can dig a hole 25 feet deep!

Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
Amelie,

The conclusion is what this video claims is false. The "scar" in 1994 has nothing to do with the crash implant in the ground. If you look at the photos, they're not the same size nor in the same location.

Does that mean Flight 93 actually did crash there? No. That's a separate debate.

But what this video claims as far as the "scar" goes is false.

OK this is an inconsistency in your view but fails to address the large elephant in the corner.

Where is the wreckage??? I have had an interest in aviation for some time and have seen many pictures of various crash sites from various types of impact. Aircraft do not simply make a crater and no wreckage, even if they dive in from altitude there is still wreckage.

I am sure that changes in the landscape occur naturally over the years and setting bombs off or crashing aircraft into things also changes their structure somewhat radically... Your inconsistency is noted but hardly 'debunks' what the video is trying to say, it just questions a part of it.

Originally posted by thedman
Sure you can dig a hole big and deep enought to bury a 767! The
data and flight recorders were found at depths of 15 and 25 feet. Show
me can dig a hole 25 feet deep!

However a Boeing 767 is 176 feet long...

Understandably it would make a large hole in the landscape if it impacted but there would still be wreckage visible on the surface.

An impact like this would also ignite the fuel on board the aircraft and I don't see any real evidence of this at the supposed crash site of F-93.