The invasion of America

Whilst America is embroiled in foreign wars with more to come is this all a set up to weaken the country at home which would make it easier to inaved the country.

I dont mean just an all out war but total satuartion of its borders to the point that it causes complete instability. Is this the plan, the old magicians trick that while watching one hand you cannot see what the other is doing.

With most of the military overseas many bases and fighting wars has the Goverment stretched to far, that if something kicked off at home it would all go pear shape, especially when the Goverment told the World that on 9/11 there were only a couple of planes to protect the country. America does not have the resources to fight all its real or potential adversaries so does this make the homeland unstable.

This is already happening down on the Mexican border ... US Border Patrol agents and state and local LEOs are coming under attack almost everyday from drug smugglers, Mexican soldiers and just plain old illegals throwing rocks at them. It really is an outright war zone down there and most people are totally ignorant about whats happening.

Several US Border Patrol and US Customs Service choppers have been shot down or forced to land due to gunfire or rocks being thrown at them over the past couple of years. It one instance a US Border Patrol chopper was trying to rescue an illegal immigrant that was drowning in the Rio Grande and another group of illegals threw rocks at the helicopter causing the agent that was piloting to lose control and crash; 1 agent and the illegal they were trying to rescue were killed an 2 other agents were injured.

There have also been several incidents where US Border Patrol agents and LEOs from various other agencies have come under attack or have been threatened by corrupt Mexican soldiers and police that were paid by the drug lords and illegal immigrant smugglers to protect them as they smuggled their good across the border. There were 216 documented occasions where Mexican Army forces went 10 miles or more into US territory between 2000 and the end of 2006.

I believe it is not the case that America is weak incountry. There is a large number of reserves still remaining that have not ben activated and if the need should ever arrise there is a very large number of third party contractors that can be assigned and/or reassigned to protect our borders.

It is my feeling that the threats at the borders will be secondary in event of an invasion. They are a security risk, but the major players will attack from the inside, foregoing the borders. I believe that an invasion will be so broad and integrated, that the act of protecting the borders will be a misuse of manpower.

I can show you this article linked below:
www.tampereclub.org...
It should ease your concerns a bit. You need to scroll down to pg 104

This is a little about Dr. Brennan the author of the report linked in my last post.
philosophy.unc.edu...

I just look at what happened after Pear Harbour, America is not a small as they were pre-ww2 but if you attack the homeland you will awaken a lot of patriotism and angry gun totin Americans. Being seperated by large oceans makes an invasion all the more difficult and I would assume other world superpowers simply wont destroy themselves by trying to take on the big dog (USA). I am not American and not even all that pro-America but what I do know is they can kick some serious ass and have the greatest ability to project their firepower ANYWHERE!

I just don't think any nation could do it maybe an ET invasion but thats not likely imo. Russia, China and Iran would just commit suicide if they formed a alliance and attempted war with the west?

There is the wildcard though, if an enemy nation develops a new weapon that nullifies the American advantage but thats also unlikely imo because the USA spends so much on defence if there is anything new to invent odds are they are going to make it first.

[edit on 4-9-2007 by Slickinfinity]

Originally posted by Slickinfinity
I just look at what happened after Pear Harbour, America is not a small as they were pre-ww2 but if you attack the homeland you will awaken a lot of patriotism and angry gun totin Americans. Being seperated by large oceans makes an invasion all the more difficult and I would assume other world superpowers simply wont destroy themselves by trying to take on the big dog (USA). I am not American and not even all that pro-America but what I do know is they can kick some serious ass and have the greatest ability to project their firepower ANYWHERE!

I just don't think any nation could do it maybe an ET invasion but thats not likely imo. Russia, China and Iran would just commit suicide if they formed a alliance and attempted war with the west?

There is the wildcard though, if an enemy nation develops a new weapon that nullifies the American advantage but thats also unlikely imo because the USA spends so much on defence if there is anything new to invent odds are they are going to make it first.

[edit on 4-9-2007 by Slickinfinity]

You are very wrong! Being the most powerful can also be anyones biggest weakness, everyone is out to get you, you are the ones they want to beat. Look at some of the HUGE empires of the past that have crumbled, greeks, romans i could go on.

reply to post by OnTheFence

I'm sorry but you are mistaken. Please reffer to the link below and scroll down to page 104
www.tampereclub.org...
this paper was written by someone who is paid to do this type of research.
He discusses the comparison of America with the Roman empire.
thank you

The invasion of America

Whilst America is embroiled in foreign wars with more to come is this all a set up to weaken the country at home which would make it easier to inaved the country.

And do tell, how does that even make sense? We purposefully set up our own failure?

I can at least grasp some people thinking our elite want to take over the country. But give it away? Goes against human nature.

I dont mean just an all out war but total satuartion of its borders to the point that it causes complete instability. Is this the plan, the old magicians trick that while watching one hand you cannot see what the other is doing.

If you mean Mexicans, I agree 100% .. any mass immigration causes instability.. and enough for long enough without any assimilation will lead to cultural failures..

With most of the military overseas many bases and fighting wars has the Goverment stretched to far

A misconseption .. if you know anything about American politics, economy, culture, military you would not be saying anything like this.....

First off the American armed forces has over 2 MILLION active and RESERVE forces....

We have about 200 - 250k in Iraq.

We have the ability to recall all our forces within a weeks time back to the united states.

We have our most lethal bombers stationed in America.. they bomb Iraq.. but they fly from America round trip. Did you know that?

We are the ONLY nation that reserves (sometimes France to) the right to use Nuclear weapons as an OFFENSIVE FIRST STRIKE WEAPON.. not even Russia has this policy.

We have MILLIONS of post-service armed forces that are Veteran's .. that can be called up, and are called up BEFORE a draft is ever even implemented.

We are the WORLDS THIRD most populated country.. 300+ million, only China, India have more people then we do.. ironically we also hold 1/3rd of the worlds WEAPONS.. 90 guns to every 100 American citizens.

No, not even Iraq is that high, per person, invading us would be a Vietnam to an extreme.

The Iraq war is actually one of the smallest military campaigns in our history.. we have lost rather FEW troops to be honest, a mere 3,700 .. compared to the millions lost in WWII .. WWI .. the tens of thousands lost in Vietnam, Korea, the MILLIONS lost in the Civil War, the thousands in the Revolution, War of 1812........ if you think loosing 3,700 men after conquering TWO NATIONS ...... is "hurting" us... your wrong.. and you fell victim to watching to much TV. The war is not what is causing the bad effects in America.. it is the bad policies and actions of the administration and its opponents against the American people.. unassociated with the wars, but since we group it together and both sides of the aisles are corrupt cowards, nothing will be done.

especially when the Goverment told the World that on 9/11 there were only a couple of planes to protect the country.

If you believe the conspiracies, there is a good reason for that ..

If you don't, it would be assumed as such an event has never happened before, a hijacked airline would NOT BE SHOT OUT OF THE SKY.. and even if a jet was following the planes it most likely still would have hit the towers because we do not kill our own people without being sure it will save countless lives.

Which is most likely the case with flight 93, it was shot down..

that TWA flight I have heard was most likely shot down by accident by our own navy, thinking it was a foreign aircraft.

In all actuality if a jet, spy plane, any foreign plane flew even close to our borders we would be on it like white on rice..

America does not have the resources to fight all its real or potential adversaries so does this make the homeland unstable.

If I could place a educated guesstament, I would say we are using MAYBE 20% of our military resources on this war..... and only because we fight like cowards and don't F the politically correct and just tear down the nation like we should, instead we try and play the peace maker in a war WE started, wars will never be won like this. Destroy and Conquer or don't fight at all, you'll only embarrass your self.

Remember, never has the full force of the modern American military's full strength EVER been seen.

It still remains our little secret, and I certainly hope it will never have to be seen.

OK I am done, go back to the anti-American rhetoric.

By the way, shroom, you really ought to visit us at least once, it may change your image of us.

Originally posted by Dad52001r
reply to post by OnTheFence

 

I'm sorry but you are mistaken. Please reffer to the link below and scroll down to page 104
www.tampereclub.org...
this paper was written by someone who is paid to do this type of research.
He discusses the comparison of America with the Roman empire.
thank you

I agree we are like, and will fall like, the Roman empire.

It however, will not be sudden, it will not be with one war, one event.. but over decades or even hundreds of years.. America will have to fight to the death to be taken down.. I believe it was Albert Einstines quote "I do not know the weapons that will be used in WWIII, but WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones."

But then again, quite frequently in our history do the biggest and strongest empires fall in the same fashion.. typically over powered, over zealous, we corrode from the inside out, and once weak enough in the heart, the outsiders have an advantage, or we simply collapse in upon our selves.

I simply think people are putting to much stock in thinking 1 war loosing 3.7k men fighting in the desert will single handedly destroy us is a little... pathetic.

It may be a precursor, no doubt .. every war is a march to the final war.. but I am sorry to disappoint many people, it won't be soon.

Destroy and Conquer or don't fight at all, you'll only embarrass your self.

I couldent have said it better If your going to fight a war then fight it right or dont bother at all. Dont fight a war you cant finish ... either as the victory or losing making the enemy pay as heavy a cost as possible.

Originally posted by Dad52001r
reply to post by OnTheFence

 

I'm sorry but you are mistaken. Please reffer to the link below and scroll down to page 104
www.tampereclub.org...
this paper was written by someone who is paid to do this type of research.
He discusses the comparison of America with the Roman empire.
thank you

Sorry but that sounds like it was written by an American for Americans. Don't get me wrong here i don't underestimate the US capability but recent events and i will include Vietnam have proven that technology alone will not win a war so lets take away that factor shall we.

Now the paper states that "The US Military might" has more power than the 20 most powerful countries below it, that is complete BS. Hypothetically lets say the US engages war with most of Europe, China, India and Russia do you really think they would win?

I could go into facts and figures but i will tell you that US infantry would be outnumbered and outmatched. Most of the US army has never actually fired a shot in anger so battlefield experience is very very low. Europe is on the same level as the US technologically speaking. The US would be outnumbered with nuclear warheads. etc etc

Now back to the point i tried to make earlier. My opinions were not based solely on wars etc. The downfall of great empires and nations generally occur slowly and include a whole range of factors including economic, social, military capacity and many others.

I was merely stating what goes up must come down!

The attack on america has already been planed for a long time.. The cfr already gave forth the documentation on the coming attack on america.. And it will all go down next year..

reply to post by OnTheFence

I'm sorry but I find it quite amusing that you are basically stating that you find your opinion more factual than Dr. Brennan's who actually did a study into this and spent time researching it, not to mention that he had access to military installations and such.
And your opinion that contradicts his would be backed up by what exactly?
Did you even graduate from college sir?

reply to post by osiriseyeseez

I assure you an attack on America on American soil would be agreat mistake. America would not only repel such attack but would unleash the full force of its military might upon the world. That wouldn't be a pretty sight for those on the receiving end. This would be done in anger and in such a way that it would "teach a lesson" to those contemplating the same thing in the future.

reply to post by osiriseyeseez

And you have received your information from whom? Would you provide a link to your sources please?

Originally posted by Dad52001r
reply to post by OnTheFence

 

I'm sorry but I find it quite amusing that you are basically stating that you find your opinion more factual than Dr. Brennan's who actually did a study into this and spent time researching it, not to mention that he had access to military installations and such.
And your opinion that contradicts his would be backed up by what exactly?
Did you even graduate from college sir?

i dont care what your biased doctors opinions are and im not going to be dragged into a flame war. But i will say that the US has struggled against a bunch of stick throwing arabs whihc speaks for itself.

Anyway here are the facts, you do the Math.

Miltary sizes

reply to post by OnTheFence

Again sir your opinion is noted and found lacking.
I find your observation of the Iraqui people offensive as well. You reffer to them as "stick throwing arabs" my, such demeanor and intelligence is worthy of your opinon of our great country. So I am supposed to believe you and not the "biased doctor" as you so eloquently stated.
Rest easy little one, the "stick throwing arabs" will not invade America and interfere with your Playstation II video game. We have you covered.

Oh yes, I almost forgot. Thank you for your Wikipedia lnk, I will be sure that Dr. Brennan reviews that before he writes his next paper. I'm sure it is rock solid intel from the Government.

Cheers


[edit on 4-9-2007 by Dad52001r]

trust a king...

Ive seen great hardships for what i have spoken.. It comes from a knowledge of great studies.. You can see the people vibrating the words of it on this site if you look hard..

besides i read the actual cfr docs.. Plus to many more reasons to state here..