Man Working On The Moon?

Originally posted by zorgon
Would that be particle beams mounted in Shuttle bays (those shuttles that they don't have that fly by themselves) that are taking potshots at my "Critters" (Space lifeforms mistaken by many as UFO's in NASA Infrared films)

I am of the opinion that both countries can deploy anti gravity craft but since this war is being fought largely in secret the US must rely on the shuttle to lift it's weapons into orbit as anything less public is being destroyed from orbit or the moon where the Russians managed to gain a advantage in the late 70's which they have largely been able to retain hence their current advantage in even good old fashioned strategic and conventional weaponry.

The UFOs that are visible on so many shuttle video material are in my opinion not so hard to identify as Russian ( as if the aliens of any type would care so much for observing a relative waste of money such as the space shuttle) and while they are sometimes successfully engaged by US ground/shuttle based defenses there are too many and the retaliation tends to be swift...

No I won't tell you about that yet as I need to secure permissions but they better not be trying to shoot the 'critters' NASA tried that didn't work either

As far as i know , and my information is more out of date than i would like to admit, they are reserving the shooting for each other....

Here is an interesting quote :

us a chance to move past the Russians to assure our own nation and freedom a future on this planet"

With the current research we are in it looks like you may be right about the Russians

That IS a interesting quote but it's not going to help me make my opinions and beliefs on this issue any more tenable than they currently are.

As to those that do not care to consider such a reality i ask that you don't as i am most certainly not going to engage in a defense of the moon/particle beam/ anti gravity craft in anything but generalities.

What i will defend with more sources than most seem interested in acknowledging is the admitted superiority of both Russian strategic and conventional weaponry over their US equivalents. I can for the most part defend the fact that both the US and Russia currently operates particle beam and other DEW's from ground stations and that both countries have geophysical weapons that can alter the climate and set of earthquakes and the like. The Russians have as far as know more of everything and normally more powerful but as is readily obvious they are not interested in winning this war fast, or putting their internationally acknowledge superiority to any world war three type tests, or by killing the hundreds of millions of Americans they in my opinion have the power to...

I would be very surprised if you and John can validate my information/opinions/beliefs about Russian superiority in space as i have decided to instead do my best to focus my attention on more mundane but necessary discussions of the political and economic realities of the world.

Thanks.

Stellar

Originally posted by StellarX

I would be very surprised if you and John can validate my information/opinions/beliefs about Russian superiority in space as i have decided to instead do my best to focus my attention on more mundane but necessary discussions of the political and economic realities of the world.

Thanks.

Stellar

I think that it is possible that we can... My question right now is whether we should... As you I am all for 'removing the veils' and all our research is done through publicly available material... we go to great pains to verify that status and provide the source...

But recently when we were looking into the 'Secret Space Station' someone jokingly asked " ... do they have some kind of cloaking device?"

Well that led me on an interesting hunt... and I now know the secret of the 'cheshire cat' but but it came with a 'reminder' of where questions about that can lead..

We have 'found' some interesting 'stuff' in Russia... something to do with the automated cargo shuttles... We are putting the data together, but I have to really think about this...

Frankly I disagree with your assessment that the Russians are our enemy. I do agree they are far more advanced than most Americans care to believe. Especially in space. The Buran program is not dead...

But projects like Sea Launch, a joint Boeing/Russian venture are indications to me that we are working together. I also believe we are gearing up for a major 'battle' against something... I do not yet know with 'whom'

As to the 'NASA UFO's' I am thoroughly convince that the ones we see in infrared are not Alien craft, but large energy creatures that are curious playful and as far as I can tell, harmless. They have always been here, they were first identified in 1956. They feed on plasma, hence their appearance during thunderstorms and swarming the tether.

NASA knows about them, and can ignore them. I am as yet unsure about that one video that shows the "attempt to shoot one" On the other hand I have seen an animation from Russia showing two shuttles with beam weapons in the bays taking shots at them. We are checking the 'availability' of that film and related material

So at the moment I am undecided, but leaning towards a co-operation against a percieved 'common enemy' It may even be as Wernher von Braun stated...

"Preventing the Weaponization of Space" that was printed in Nexus magazine in November, 2004. In it we find an "Enemies List" that the U.S. government uses to keep the media and public in support of the Pentagon Budget. The list, given to Carol Rosin by her colleague the famous German rocket scientist Dr Wernher von Braun, has the following sequenced manufactured threats. Here we see:

America's 'Enemies List' to Sustain War Mode and Pentagon Budgets

1 - Soviet Union

2 - Terrorists

3 - Asteroids

4 - Extraterrestrials

Dr von Braun said none of these threats are hostile and all a lie. He said all of this must be stopped and worked with Carol Rosin up until the time of his death in Alexandria, Virginia in 1977 to prevent the weaponization of space, just as President Eisenhower had warned about the threat of the military-industrial-corporate-academic complex to America's future in the early 50s.[/ex/]


Much of my research has led me to von Braun connections, bases on the moon and mars, secrets in Antarctica, etc

It is interesting to note that he died of cancer shortly after leaving NASA and working on this new 'project' Not saying there was any 'misdeeds' just its an interesting note

Well Russia certainly beat us publically to the moon.

They were taking pictures of the farside with Luna 3 on October 4, 1959.

They soft landed a spacecraft on the moon on February 3, 1966.

They orbited the moon with Luna 10 on April 4, 1966 and Luna 11 on August 28, 1966.

They were taking TV photos of the moon on October 25, 1966.

Luna 14 orbited April 10, 1968.

Luna 15 arrived in Lunar orbit a few days before Apollo 11 got there and then supposed crashed on July 21, 1969 just after Apollo 11 departed.

Luna 16 soft landed on the moon then returned to earth with a sample of Lunar soil of Sept. 24, 1970.

Luna 18 attempted on landing on Sept 11, 1971 and allegedly crashed.

Luna 19 went into lunar orbit October 3, 1971.

Russia accomplished all this while all we were doing was mining and shipping back minerals to earth. We were going to Mars by that time also.

Oh, and sending up Apollo for PR.

Originally posted by johnlear
Well Russia certainly beat us publically to the moon.

They were taking pictures of the farside with Luna 3 on October 4, 1959.

They soft landed a spacecraft on the moon on February 3, 1966.

They orbited the moon with Luna 10 on April 4, 1966 and Luna 11 on August 28, 1966.

They were taking TV photos of the moon on October 25, 1966.

Luna 14 orbited April 10, 1968.

Luna 15 arrived in Lunar orbit a few days before Apollo 11 got there and then supposed crashed on July 21, 1969 just after Apollo 11 departed.

Luna 16 soft landed on the moon then returned to earth with a sample of Lunar soil of Sept. 24, 1970.

Luna 18 attempted on landing on Sept 11, 1971 and allegedly crashed.

Luna 19 went into lunar orbit October 3, 1971.

Russia accomplished all this while all we were doing was mining and shipping back minerals to earth. We were going to Mars by that time also.

Oh, and sending up Apollo for PR.

But we put people on it, not mindless drones (although, you could say that is questionable. )

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