Triangle UFO filmed near Brussels (Houillart) august 2007!

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[edit on 3/9/2007 by Mirthful Me]

Originally posted by infiltr8u
in loving memory of
DARKHEARTRISING

Totally off topic, but what are you on about?

It's not what I think it means is it?

Originally posted by thesaint
This thing gives me shivers. This is the exact type of craft i have witnessed about 15 years ago as a young boy. Only difference is the flashing light in the middle. Dont you think Aliens would have updated vehicles by now

[edit on 2-9-2007 by thesaint]

WOW you took the words right out of my mouth !!!! But almost 30 years ago
you can read it on this thread !!

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I just read this whole thread and watched the video a few times. I think it's a kite.

The strange abrupt movement of the object that everyone is talking about around 16-17 seconds into the video is the result of accidentally pulling the kite down towards the ground. If your kite is holding steady against the wind, you can yank the string down quickly and it will look exactly how the object's movement looks in the video.

I also think someone said the object is large. It is not very big at all, and very thin apparantly.

To the person claiming that no one would strap lights to a kite for a hoax: Are you serious? People will do the most crazy things. Do not underestimate bored and strange people out there.

I am glad that you guys mentioned the TR-3B in this thread because it is the first time I have heard about it and it looks like something very interesting to look into. I'm off to go read about it...

I fly sport kites, with two lines, and I flew my share of kites, believe me. LOOTS of kites. I used to be a poor brazilian, and flying kites was my hobby. The problem for the kite theory in my view is the whole range of movement. If you have a sport kite (triangle kite, or even a single stringed kite), you are totally dependent on the wind zones or you stall (giving origin to lots of cool tricks! but it still looks like a stall, and the kite may crash if it is not precisely controlled.), and that guy goes back and forth for long distances, and definitely goes out of his wind range but stays in place without bothering much. AND, when he tips the nose down, it recovers with no problem, and even flies a while with one of the sides banked, impossible for a kite. A kite would wobble and swirl around...

It does looks kite-ish, but it is still too big to recover from a wind stall without crashing. No kite here.

Some great posts here can help us understand some of these videos and accounts. I do not believe we can get any proof of UFOs being from outside our world or this layer of the multiverse with this 2-dimensional video.

The video as yet shows no evidence of fakery and I place it in a low probability of CGI for numerous reasons too numerous to state, but suffice it to say that some of the posts are quite good at discerning points of evidence and have been helpful in my forming my own personal opinion.

We might need to consider that we cannot prove this is real. Even if it is, there is not enough evidence currently other than the multiple generation, eroded digital video. No witness under oath, no video of the videographer taking the video or a trusted official in the video saying this is truth. (That can be faked too). We may find it is fake, but until proof is revealed we only guess. Those who are motivated to "prove" fake or "real" only retard the process. Those doing video forensic investigation are doing the good science.

Although some of the creative ideas for what this could be, kites, balloons or flying whatevers, no evidence for these exist yet either. All we can really have is either informed opinions based on logic, sense of science or knowledge spanning several peoples and their specific disciplines.

Debunking I believe is a pre-set act to destroy or break down something. Like anything, this is a direction of research based on an intent already established. A bias. I think it is better to look at everything and reserve opinions or bias, go in without expectation or pretense. Agnostic as it were.

I believe intuitive awareness is a valid approach, but that category is relegated by logic to opinion and might only drive the researcher to enjoy the process and energize the work. To be candid, my intuitive says this is real. That does not mean I think it is an alien craft, but I think the probability factor is higher than fake status the video was not CGI or otherwise faked.

We cannot hope to prove anything except that this is not faked. That's it. Until more data becomes available we must be satisfied that if the video is not faked or mistaken identified aerial objects it has a “probability” of being something other than conventional phenomena.

In observing the lights movements, and discounting camera operational and optical distortions or naturally occurring aberrations, I see no problems. I also believe it is improbable that it was CGI as this is a insignificant video in itself like hundreds of other similar I have seen. Why spend hours and resources to do it again? We still can't be 100% sure of that even.

The movement and rotation is consistent with a triangle shape, assuming the lights where at each corner and the blinking at the (bottom?) center. The blinking light by the way is sort of similar to, but is not standard aircraft configuration, commercial, private or military. Also did anyone see Spielberg's Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind? He took the configurations of the alien crafts from experts, actual reports and the UFO investigative record. If you remember in the movie the aliens demonstrated how they could look like stars, meteors or conventional aircraft running lights. So they are smart enough to make aircraft that travels light years or dimensionally, but wouldn't know that a faked aircraft-like blinking light would help conceal their identity? Actually the rate of blink was wrong at first glance, and with some research could be challenged fairly easily I think with FAA or manufacturer specifications.

My assessment.

Probability video is real:
Fake--20%
Real--75%
Other-10%
Alien?- No Data

Personal Impression: Black Triangle craft (unknown) at distance. (I have seen such craft in daylight)

I am a general science and space science media professional, NASA, SETI contractor, CGI & Computer graphics artist, experiencer and I don't even believe myself sometimes. ;-D

I need to get this out before I explode and I apologise in advance:

We have a really good thread here and I take my hat off to Internos for his brilliant research and contribution and the original poster for bringing it here, in my opinion that is what makes a perfect discussion thread. Then it goes to hell:

11 11:

"Sorry to break it to you people, but yes, this is another CGI ufo.
Two people have already noticed and replied exactly MY thoughts when I saw the first video"

You insist on coming here and destroying perfectly good threads with your "Listen to me people it's FAKE.....CGI" ramming your opinion down peoples throats like a bulldozer EVERY time. It's always me me me with you and you don't seem to be able to understand that people think differently to you in forming their own opinions. Nobody is right or wrong here, i think we are here to get to the bottom of anything that is of interest to us but you don't seem to get it.

Incidentally in my OPINION I think the two clips are CGI, it moves far too smoothly in the sky but that doesn't mean I thrust that on other people.

11 11, you kill threads here and i'm absolutely sick of it, I'm dazzled that your actually still here.

Originally posted by Pocket4ce
American TR-3B... Why would the Americans be testing or using such a thing in central Europe? That makes no sense. Anyone actually tried to analyze the video to estimate how high is the triangle when relative to the ground?

Flying triangles (let's assume that they are TR-3B's) have been seen for decades in Europe.
1.If these are TR-3B's testing fases will have been over for a while.
2.Why use it in Europe? If the US has this kind of material to work with it will regard itself as a supreme operator and not respect any boarder that is not maintained by a superior power (e.g. ET''s).
3. What would they use it for? Well, anything you can think of. Gathering info (Russia or ET's). With all the UFO sightings going on now, there is a lot ot watch or guard when you would profile alien visitors as being hostile.

ZeroGhost

The video as yet shows no evidence of fakery and I place it in a low probability of CGI for numerous reasons too numerous to state, but suffice it to say that some of the posts are quite good at discerning points of evidence and have been helpful in my forming my own personal opinion.


We might need to consider that we cannot prove this is real. Even if it is, there is not enough evidence currently other than the multiple generation, eroded digital video. No witness under oath, no video of the videographer taking the video or a trusted official in the video saying this is truth. (That can be faked too). We may find it is fake, but until proof is revealed we only guess. Those who are motivated to "prove" fake or "real" only retard the process. Those doing video forensic investigation are doing the good science.
My assessment.

Probability video is real:
Fake--20%
Real--75%
Other-10%
Alien?- No Data

Well, hear, hear!!

I could not have said it better. I think that for us humans the most annoying mental position is not be sure or just in doubt. But we have to remember that that is the best and most productive state in mind we have. Just keep thinking and digging.
And when somebody proofs that something is "fake", there is no reason for shame or loss of ego for all the people that hoped it would be the real thing. Curiosity is a beautiful human trade. Cynicism and socalled "common sense" are dead end streets.

( "Common sense" means something different for every person and every culture and is sometimes even misunderstood as ""objectivity.)



[edit on 4-9-2007 by Pjotr]

[edit on 4-9-2007 by Pjotr]

Question for Internos.
I have been playing with the cellphone image too. But how do you get your images on display in the thread itself, whil all I manage is getting a EXTERNAL IMAGE link?

like : Other UFO's seen in the same TIme Frame in the same region

Originally posted by Pjotr
Question for Internos.
I have been playing with the cellphone image too. But how do you get your images on display in the thread itself, whil all I manage is getting a EXTERNAL IMAGE link?

like : Other UFO's seen in the same TIme Frame in the same region

Pjotr: here you'll find many useful hints and instructions (always better read it before hotlinking pics because there are some size limits, copyright rules, an something else ).

Originally posted by Mirthful Me
Mission impossible...

Not...

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[edit on 4/9/2007 by internos]

It's cool to look at but doesn't set off me spidey sense or anything. The way that it flips over itself and the lights don't become obscured by whatever object is holding the lights together makes it seem like more of that puerto rican models that surfaced 2 weeks ago.

I saw exactly same UFO in my country, There were 4, and 1 was moving, and suddenly it disappeared.

That was few days ago, and it was my first UFO sighting... Formation looked like this:

* *

-----2 were behind me-----

* *

I tried to take a picture with my cell phone (SE W850I), but camera is only 2.0MPX and NO-ZOOM so, i could't shot it.

I noticed that actually it changes shape, that's sure now, it could no
more be considered as an optical illusion, neither a perspective matter.
I numbered the 3 corner light to show it as clear as possible.


I noticed these two "lines", in the last seconds of the video:


What could be? I don't know.
Anyway, what i noticed is that the "craft", after it crosses the "line A" vanishes: why? I don't know.



The reason cannot be that the film was finished, because it keeps going for two seconds more, as is clearly visible by the differences in these two stills captured in the last two seconds.



And if they where contrails, the light should reappear after crossing the first one, but it doesn't happen. Any idea?

[edit on 4/9/2007 by internos]

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I had always assumed the object went behind a building at the end.

Also (and this is VERY clear in the stabilised versions once Springer uploads it) the 1st light to hit one of the two lines 'jumps back' as soon as its about to hit it. There is also a frame where it disappears earlier on if memory serves correctly.

I'm personally treating this one with cold hard facts and making no decision either way based on either emotion or belief / non belief. There are however a few things while whatching the stabilised version with the lights in a constant position, that did raise eyebrows from me when I slowed it down to a frame by frame view.



Wayne...

I just found this filmed on 2nd July in France seems to be the exact same craft, even down to the dim centre light.

www.dailymotion.com...

the link for this came from a French site which i think is all about some 1989/1990 sightings here is the link for anyone interested.

www.ovnidoc.com...

[edit on 4/9/07 by RancidCat]

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The Triangular shaped craft is a very popular sighting, I found this link with documented cases, in jpg format, ranging from 1953 to 2004.

Originally posted by the secret web
There are however a few things while whatching the stabilised version with the lights in a constant position, that did raise eyebrows from me when I slowed it down to a frame by frame view.

I'd be very interested in hearing about those observations the secret web (tsb), do we have to wait for Springer...

Would be interested to know what software you are using to stabilise the footage?

[edit on 4-9-2007 by Koka]

I'd be very interested in hearing about those observations the secret web (tsb), do we have to wait for Springer...

Would be interested to know what software you are using to stabilise the footage?

At the moment My site is undergoing some changes so there is a very good chance it will get lost in the clean up, hence why I asked Springer to upload it to ATS for me.

To stabalise the footage I used MOCHA, it stabilises and tracks footage other programs have a shed load of problems with.

Wayne...

the movement is a little faky but i dont know
still i always though triangle ufos are human made secret aircraft
u seriosly cant expect aliens to fly triangle spaceships right?