!!! NORAD TAPES obtained by Loose Change!!!!

Originally posted by cosimus

Originally posted by wenfieldsecret

Originally posted by u2r2h
22:22gmt You think we should stop the exercise? LAUGHTER LAUGHTER.
22:47 american 11 the original guy is still airborne

are those really are the times as quoted....that would make it about 4-5pm in the eastern time zone......obviously well after the hijackings stopped

isnt it the (time)position in one of the released audiofile? cannot say which audio files it is, too much to listen to:

list of released files (3.2gb)
DRM1 DAT2 Channel 10 TT TK.wav
DRM1 DAT2 Channel 12 ACWO TK.wav
DRM1 DAT2 Channel 14 TT TK.wav
DRM1 DAT2 Channel 15 AST Op.wav
DRM1 DAT2 Channel 16 AST TK.wav
DRM1 DAT2 Channel 17 TT Op.wav
DRM1 DAT2 Channel 18 TT TK.wav
DRM1 DAT2 Channel 19 SD2 OP.wav
DRM1 DAT2 Channel 2 MCC Op.wav
DRM1 DAT2 Channel 21 TT Op.wav
DRM1 DAT2 Channel 24 AICC.wav
DRM1 DAT2 Channel 3 MCC TK.wav
DRM1 DAT2 Channel 4 ID Op.wav
DRM1 DAT2 Channel 5 ID TK.wav
DRM1 DAT2 Channel 7 ID2 OP.wav
DRM1 DAT2 Channel 8 ID2 TK.wav
DRM2 DAT1 Channel 20 SD2 TK.wav
DRM3 DAT2 Channel 24 Emerg-AICC.wav

if anyone know which file is worth listen too, please tell me/us, thanks

[edit: overread the 'gmt' above *shame on me*]

[edit on 31-8-2007 by cosimus]

I had all 18 channels copied in a multi-track editor.
Almost all track have a "time speaker" at the start of each track, 1st one starting at 12:29:50
But there is something "odd" with the time aspect.
I lined-up at 12:30 10 secs, and already after 1 minute all tracks shift in time.
This could simply mean they are from different ANALOGUE recorders with slightly different speed.
Or: the original is from a (atleast 24 channels, so, what happened to chans 1,6,9,11,13,22,23?) DAT recorder, and the time shift is an artifact due to editing of the channels.

Also i noticed that some of the language used seems very "non-military"
Now i am not in the army, but when an question is asked from where a plain departed, i am sure there is a 3 letter code for it, but here they use 'from where it came from"

Annyways, its fun playing around with them files, and forget its 6 years ago in a few days, keep you of the streets, protesting and whatnot.

I expected a little more drama in this act, after 6 years you would expect they had a better script and actors.
Maybe , what you hear is the real thing, not sure if that is even worse, not good in any case.

Still some parts are interesting:
The shoot-down order from the VC
The mid-air explotion near Camp-david


[edit on 9-9-2007 by A. Monkey]

[edit on 9-9-2007 by A. Monkey]

Well, this is pretty amazing! Am listening to the tapes now.. awesome!



[edit on 9-9-2007 by Palasheea]

OK this is THE LAST time I'm going to do this. Since I can't edit my previous post and since I have new files that have been added to the list I feel that I should post them so that someone might be able to use them.

It took me several hours to get each file of the audio from the site posted earlier.

I decided to give people an option. I've uploaded the files into my RapidShare account. I've got both of the files that were posted earlier plus the others that I downloaded from a torrent.

DRM1_DAT2_Channel_2_MCC_Op.zip
DRM1_DAT2_Channel_3_MCC_TK.zip
DRM1_DAT2_Channel_3_MCC_TK.z01
DRM1_DAT2_Channel_4_ID_Op.zip
DRM1_DAT2_Channel_5_ID_TK.zip
DRM1_DAT2_Channel_5_ID_TK.z01
DRM1_DAT2_Channel_7_ID2_OP.zip
DRM1_DAT2_Channel_8_ID2_TK.zip
DRM1_DAT2_Channel_8_ID2_TK.z01
DRM1_DAT2_Channel_10_TT_TK.wav.zip
DRM1_DAT2_Channel_12_ACWO_TK.zip
DRM1_DAT2_Channel_14_TT_TK.zip
DRM1_DAT2_Channel_15_AST_Op.zip
DRM1_DAT2_Channel_16_AST_TK.zip
DRM1_DAT2_Channel_17_TT_Op.zip
DRM1_DAT2_Channel_17_TT_Op.z01
DRM1_DAT2_Channel_18_TT_TK.zip
DRM1_DAT2_Channel_19_SD2_OP.zip
DRM2_DAT1_Channel_20_SD2_TK.zip
DRM2_DAT1_Channel_20_SD2_TK.z01
DRM1_DAT2_Channel_21_TT_Op.zip
DRM1_DAT2_Channel_21_TT_Op.z01
DRM1_DAT2_Channel_24_AICC.zip
DRM3_DAT2_Channel_24_Emerg-AICC.wav_1.zip

ALL OF THE FILES HAVE BEEN UPLOADED

You'll have to use WinZip 11 to extract the newest files. I couldn't use anything else to get high enough compression. Rapidshare has a maximum allowed filesize of 100MB. Some of the files won't compress below 100MB.

Please notice that DRM1_DAT2_Channel_3_MCC_TK is the first of several multi part files. WinZip 11 has a new feature that creates multiple file archive sets. You need BOTH files to extract.

All of the files are almost 200 MB. I still haven't taken the time to listen to all of the files, but I'm guessing that the ones that don't compress as well are the ones that have more actual words in them. On the files I've listened to there were some pretty long gaps of scilence.

WinZip 11

Each file is a little different. I've had more trouble getting enough compression. I'm looking into other options. Will post what I can on Rapidshare. I'm listing all the files in order to make it clear which files are there and which ones are not.

I'm using Rapishare since It's a service I already have been using. I know the service it fast and reliable. These files will be there for as long as I have my Rapidshare account. Which I hope will be a long time.

[edit on 11-9-2007 by LazyGuy]

reply to post by Amaterasu


No, it's to give you an idea of the TOTAL number of planes flying over the United States on any given day. All of those tracks on individual radar screens would clutter the screen with their transponder codes, making it harder to try to track a plane by the skin return as they would have had to do with the planes on that day.

Does anyone know if there is an official release date for the Final Cut yet? Did they premire the movie in NYC over the weekend of the 11th? How will we know what theatres it will be in? Sorry not trying to derail the thread just trying to get this information. Thanks in Advance

It does not matter if transponders were off.
The capitol of united states is surounded by radars , anything that does not have a transponder on and that flys over the capitol will be intercepted.


Above all, andrews did not scramble jets, they had an hour betwen WTC and the crash at the Pentagon, it was standard procedure, simply to take off and intecept planes with out a transponder signature over the capitol.
While the story with so many planes with no signatures over the united states may be true, this is not valid for the capitol, I've seen a documentary on this matter, the area is filled with military radars, plus there is a very strict flight path for big comercial passanger air lines over Washinton DC, deviate a bit from the course and it will take a very short time to be intecepted.

What is more disturbing is that they knew about it an advanced, there was a hour in betwen, their job was to patrol the sky of the capitol and that never happened, in such situations it's procedure.....they had a whole hour, nothing happened.

No, it wasn't, and no it wouldn't be Pepsi. We've had this debate before, and I already know it's futile, but only the White House and certain areas near the White House are actually restricted airspace.

But even if that's the case, they didn't even know the plane was in the Washington area until not long before it hit the Pentagon, and contrary to what you and others try to insist there is NOT a giant group of fighters in DC waiting to intercept anything near the area, and there are NOT massive defenses on the Pentagon.

This is dated 2004/2006, I'm not sure when exactly it was though, but as you can see the DC ADIZ only covers a few airports in Washington DC.

www.nafcflying.org...

But even if that's the case, they didn't even know the plane was in the Washington area until not long before it hit the Pentagon, and contrary to what you and others try to insist there is NOT a giant group of fighters in DC waiting to intercept anything near the area, and there are NOT massive defenses on the Pentagon.

News sources and people in the pentagon, pentagon officials, military personel, staff quoted after seeing on television what has happened .they said " Regarding the incindent at WTC we feel we are are siting in the next
one" or," We feel like siting ducks"
This officialy is from defencelink news media


Or NewYorkTimes :
"this was a terrorist atack , inform the pentagon"


Remember 2 planes have crashed, not one but 2, ,you got a military air base right near you, you know of the events happening, what do you do?
Don't you scramble jets to protect the capitol? their existance there is for protecting the capitol, you don't need an army to defend a position, you just need those jets in the air patroling the sky, once they break course and they seem heading towards objectives resticted only to military signatures, they intercept.
It's simple really...very simple, this just stinks





[edit on 17-9-2007 by pepsi78]

Except that you would be scrambling unarmed fighters that could do pretty much nothing except watch it happen, unless you wanted to try to ram the plane shortly before impact and risk two planes crashing into the city, instead of just one, and scattering debris over a much wider area than it was.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
Except that you would be scrambling unarmed fighters that could do pretty much nothing except watch it happen, unless you wanted to try to ram the plane shortly before impact and risk two planes crashing into the city, instead of just one, and scattering debris over a much wider area than it was.

this is a good one, those jets stay fully armed 24/7 on the run way, they intercept planes on regular basis, it's an F16 squadron designated to protect the skys of the capitol, can't blaim the pilots, and the officers there at the base, they were never informed can you imagine, not even informing them, there was an hour....I guess some one didin't want to inform them after all, people waching tv in the pentagon wondering if they are next...and then some officer telling every one....we were never informed, we had no orders.

This was more than a mistake and I shal prove it.



[edit on 18-9-2007 by pepsi78]

Then why does every document that shows where the alert fighters were stationed NOT mention Washington DC as one of the bases? There WAS an alert force at Andrews until some time in the 1990s, when it was stood down.

From a 9/11 truther website:

The Andrews-based 121st Fighter Sqdn. was not standing alert on Sept. 11, because the District of Columbia Air National Guard (DCANG) unit was not assigned to the North American Aerospace Defense Command air defense force. NORAD had already scrambled three F-16s from their alert base at Langley AFB, Va. to over the Atlantic Ocean, to the east [opposite direction].[ii]

The unit’s maintenance section was notified to get several F-16s armed and ready to fly. Anticipating such an order, Col. Don C. Mozley, the 113th Logistics Group commander, had already ordered his weapons officer to “break out the AIM-9s and start building them up… The missiles had to be transported from a bunker on the other side of the base, which would take a while.”111 This last statement is strange. Senior Master Sergeant David Bowman, 113th Wing munitions supervisor, says, “We were doing it as fast as we could, because for all we knew the terrorists were getting ready to hit us. ... It normally takes three hours to get weapons from the storage sheds and load them onto the fighters."

www.911exposed.org...

Fighters in the NORAD Alert Network DO NOT FLY unless they are launched to intercept someone so the excuse that they were alert fighters and on a training exercise doesn't work. And if they were in the Alert Network they would have already been armed, and ready to go, not sitting unarmed in their parking revetments with their missiles sitting across the tarmac.

Fighters in the NORAD Alert Network DO NOT FLY unless they are launched to intercept someone so the excuse that they were alert fighters and on a training exercise doesn't work. And if they were in the Alert Network they would have already been armed, and ready to go, not sitting unarmed in their parking revetments with their missiles sitting across the tarmac.

In fact there are 2 sqadrons and this is just another cover up story because they were alert fighters ready to go, one of them being part of the national guard, and another is 321st Marine Fighter Attack Squadron.

So here they are

"…as part of its dual mission, the 113th provides capable and ready response forces for the District of Columbia in the event of a natural disaster or civil emergency. Members also assist local and federal law enforcement agencies in combating drug trafficking in the District of Colombia. [They] are full partners with the active Air Force"
--DC Military (7)

Marine Fighter Attack Squadron (VMFA) 321, a Marine Corps Reserve squadron, flies the sophisticated F/A-18 Hornet. Marine Aviation Logistics Squadron 49, Detachment A, provides maintenance and supply functions necessary to maintain a force in readiness. "
--DC Military (7)

It states clear , a force in readiness.

For some strange reason the link for the soruce does not work anymore.
But here it is any way.
www.dcmilitary.com...

But what do you know I found a working link, so here is more on the 113th fighter wing
www.dcandr.ang.af.mil...

113 Wing
Mission
Our mission is to be Capital Guardians who provide our nation fighter, airlift and support forces capable of global employment, to provide air sovereignty forces to defend the Nation’s Capital, to employ our forces with mastery and lethality, if required, and to enhance the community with support and good will.

This are combat units with the role of protecting the capitol, so they are alert fighters, your story just does not stand up.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
Then why does every document that shows where the alert fighters were stationed NOT mention Washington DC as one of the bases?

Do you really think that a government as secretive as the US would tell us (and terrorists) every single alert fighter and where to attack them first? I highly doubt it. The government can't even trust us with video of the plane hitting the pentagon, how are they going to trust us with information that could possibly ACTUALLY threaten the country? Think about it.