!!! NORAD TAPES obtained by Loose Change!!!!

It's obvious that you have never worked a transponder. You don't "flip a switch" and activate a hijack code. A transponder has either four dials that you set to the code, or a numberpad that you punch the numbers in on. When you are given your code, you set the dials to whatever numbers they give you, and your transponder sends out that code. So according to you, the hijackers would have burst into the cockpit, one pilot would have either fought them off, while the other dialed in 7500 on the transponder, or the pilots would have said "Wait! Let me send this code first!". I have yet to see a transponder that has a hijack button on it.

You DO NOT FIGHT in the cockpit. Besides which, the pilots would have been strapped into that tiny little cockpit, secure in their seats, not suspecting anything was about to happen when they hijacked the planes. All the hijackers would have had to do was break in, reach around the seats, and they could slit their throats. The pilots would have had to unstrap, stand up, work their way out of the seats, and tried to find room for all four people in their, before trying to fight them off.

I've been in cockpits of older planes, which were designed larger than the 757/767 to incorporate a flight engineer, with a large group of people, and let me tell you, you can barely breathe in those.

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Yes, in ideal situations. People behave differently in real world to the textbook. Now consider that no one had ever done this sort of thing before, people hijacked to get places, not to crash the plane into something. And just because thats what they are meant to do doesn't mean thats what will happen. Consider that the terrorists probably pretended to have bombs. In that split second decision are you going to know whether it's real or not? Considering that they have to protect the passengers and the airplane, and don't know what the hijackers are going to do, of course they didn't stop them from getting in.

Here is my question.... Is that still photo supposed to be inside Norad? If so how can it be authentic when there is absolutley no cameras allowed inside at anytime. If one does bring one in, he will surley lose his access for most likley life.

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That photo of FACET? That has nothing to do with NORAD. That's from the main FAA Control Center. The FAA has a control center that oversees all the Centers that control the flights, and they have a giant board that shows all the air traffic over the United States at any given moment.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
The pilots would have had to unstrap, stand up, work their way out of the seats, and tried to find room for all four people in their, before trying to fight them off.

Let's reverse this. After slitting the throats of the pilots, the highjackers would have to do this with dead bodies. Ever try and manuver a dead body? Let alone carry one? There would have been no way the controls would not have been bumped. No way.

Not to mention all the slipping and sliding on blood. No way the controls could not have been bumped.

I've been in cockpits of older planes, which were designed larger than the 757/767 to incorporate a flight engineer, with a large group of people, and let me tell you, you can barely breathe in those.

Which proves my point.

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Yeah, you'd bump the controls, but unless it was a major control movement the autopilot would compensate for it and you wouldn't even change altitude or heading. You have to REALLY move the controls of a plane to get the autopilot to disengage. And you will find VERY few airliners that are at cruising altitude that are NOT on autopilot. They almost definitely DID bump the controls, but it wasn't enough to disengage the autopilot or cause the plane to do any maneuvers.

I take it the link to the torrent isn't up yet? As soon as it is someone u2u me with the link in case i miss it please? thanks a lot.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
You have to REALLY move the controls of a plane to get the autopilot to disengage.

I would say trying to manuver a dead body out of that tight space while slipping on blood (you do know how much blood needs to be lost for death right) would be one of the hardest things to do without REALLY moving the controls. Think about it.

Then they had to do it not once but twice.

And then not twice....eight times total.

And with different highjackers with all different coordination and such. Seems unlikely that none of them would bump the controls.

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[edit on 8/30/2007 by Griff]

Originally posted by Griff

Originally posted by Zaphod58
You have to REALLY move the controls of a plane to get the autopilot to disengage.

I would say trying to manuver a dead body out of that tight space while slipping on blood (you do know how much blood needs to be lost for death right) would be one of the hardest things to do without REALLY moving the controls. Think about it.

Then they had to do it not once but twice.

And then not twice....eight times total.

And with different highjackers with all different coordination and such. Seems unlikely that none of them would bump the controls.

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[edit on 8/30/2007 by Griff]

I wouldn't think it'd be that difficult....if they managed to kill the pilots fairly swiftly, the autopilot could run things as they die...then all they'd have to do is pull the pilots out of the seats...sure, there'd be a little bumping, but I wouldn't think there'd be that much. Also, 1 could have held the controls while the other removed the bodies. I don't think it's that inconceivable that they could have been killed and removed without too much bumpage. these guys had years to practice for this too, my guess is they had a lot of these little things planned out beforehand.

Originally posted by Jaruseleh
Also, 1 could have held the controls while the other removed the bodies. I don't think it's that inconceivable that they could have been killed and removed without too much bumpage.

Plausible. I don't even know what my point is anyway. What would bumping the controls out of autopilot do anyway? As long as one was there to take control if that happened?

Surely if you know the bearing you want you can just put that into the autopilot anyway in order to go to the target? They only really needed to get a bearing then and steer the last minutes into the buildings then.

UPDATE:
u2r2h-documents.blogspot.com...

"a few hours" and they will be released.

My apologies to the OP for going off-topic.

When people say they can't understand why the pilots didn't put up a fight before turning their aircraft over to the hijackers, I don't think they understand how small and compact a flight deck is. Here are a couple of photos of a 757 cockpit from airliners.net.



If you'll notice in the photos, the pilots rear end is only about 1 1/2 feet off of the cabin floor and the center console is right against their leg. There is also a console between their legs leaving only enough room for their feet and legs to reach the rudder pedals.

It's not like they are sitting on a barstool and can swivel around to stand up and fight off the attackers. How well would you be able to defend yourself when being attacked from behind while in a low and obstructed position?

UPDATE: dylan avery Aug 30 2007, 02:00 PM = 19:00 GMT
Bonus...if you want to hear the first two hours...tune into Revere Radio Network tonight at 5 PM EST. revereradio.net...


Your presumption about cockpit fights are based on the official story, i.e. assumptions of liars, or lies of professional deceivers.

Please keep this on topic: NORAD TAPES RELEASE ON TORRENT IMMINENT

Please open up a new thread to discuss other topics.

Please.

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Okay, Jason and the boys ROCK!!!

Down to business: we need to get those sound files out to everyone we can think of.

I so wish that Jason, Dylan and Co. would release the film on September 3 so more time can be used to generate participation in the 9/11 actions this year.

UPDATE:
Dylan doesn't think the files will be upload tonight.
But Matthew Brown says "soon".

While You Wait, a little riddle:

Who said this:
Do you not think an angel rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm?'

For me it means

State-executed terrorism rides in the whirlwind and directs the storm,
i.e. False Flag terror controls world events by way of localized "whirlwind"

Solution is here

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damn, i hope they get released soon!

yo, can you post the torrent links or sound files on here as soon as they are released? that would be great.

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It's not like they are sitting on a barstool and can swivel around to stand up and fight off the attackers. How well would you be able to defend yourself when being attacked from behind while in a low and obstructed position?

they should have had plenty of warning to get out of their chairs. the alleged hijackers couldn't just turn the knob and sneak in.

let's face it. the official 911 myth is preposterous. anyone who believes it is lying or, no offense intended, not thinking clearly or logically.

unfortunately, the only way to get through this mess, is a total rebuild of our governmental power structure. i don't know how that is possible, but a massive abandonment of the "official system" would be a good thing.

put your courage hats on.

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At the time it took all of five seconds to kick the door in and get access to the cockpit. It was basically balsa wood over a thin material to hold the shape, with a flimsy little lock. And on at least one plane they forced a flight attendant to help them get access to the cockpit.