Could Leo Wanta deal Be Cause of Heavy Troops In DC?

Mr. Wanta seemed to have a lot of supporters.

What gave you that Idea?

Arctic Beacon, Rense, WRH, etc....

The Blogs have all dropped him. The articles linked to those sites are old.

He no longer has any supporters other than newbies who stumble across the story and have not yet done any research.

I spend time in more than a dozen conspiracy forums.

Everyone at all the other places has dismissed this, many of them after spending months defending the undefensible.

reply to post by Malichai


I was referring to this thread, as in mentioning his supporters. There seem to be more that accept his story as fact, than those who oppose it. I didn't mean they were marching on the capitol in his defense.

This Wanta story has been making it's rounds for years now. You can almost set your calendar by it. If ambassador Wanta exists he should be getting close to being a hundred years old by now.

Has anyone noticed that whenever we have uncertainty in the markets, either the NESARA or Wanta story rears its head? I figure whoever the main perpetrators of these hoaxes figure it's time to cash in. Seems like when you trace it to the people who claim to have the documents (Wanta) or are travelling around raising awarenes (NESARA). You eventually come to someone wanting your money (or even frequent flyer miles). Look at it like this both hoaxes would be wonderfull if they were true. And we all know what things that seem to good to be true are.

If you told me two things one to good to be true and one to awful to be real. I'd at least acknowledge that the awful one is the more likely of the two.

I believe that the Wanta and NESARA hoaxes are at best shameless attempts to get me to donate my money to a snake oil salesman. They play off a sense of hope that not all things done in the shadows are to our detriment. At worst, I dunno maybe they are red herrings for CTers. Time spent looking in to them could be better spent on other research. Now that i think about it both seem to pop up when other things are going on that might spill over into the mainstream.

Just my two cents. I could be wrong, but am pretty sure i'm not about either of these.

Originally posted by janasstar
reply to post by Malichai

 

I was referring to this thread, as in mentioning his supporters. There seem to be more that accept his story as fact, than those who oppose it. I didn't mean they were marching on the capitol in his defense.

And what does that prove other than people are easily fooled and that the debunkers have already been through this a year ago?

There still has not been one single bit of evidence proving the grand conspiracy outlined by the Wanta Trio.

And, as has been shown already, it would have been impossible to make the amount of money he claims using the methods that he claimed.

There was not that much money in all of Russia to steal, the value of the currency never went up, and the Oligarchs stole most of what was stolen.

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Double post....

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oh boy. you're relentles! i never said that it proved anything! read it more carefully! i was explaining something to you! which i don't intend to do again!!!

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Originally posted by janasstar
reply to post by Malichai

 

boy. you're relentles! i never said that it proved anything! read it more carefully! i was explaining something to you! which i don't intend to do again!!!

There is a button to click to put me on ignore. Then you won't see my posts again.

But, I intend to be in this thread countering the propaganda.

Originally posted by jefwane
This Wanta story has been making it's rounds for years now. You can almost set your calendar by it. If ambassador Wanta exists he should be getting close to being a hundred years old by now.

Well Mr. Wanta being a made up person seems to be able to be in Federal court dockets
2003 federal court ruling, docket no. 02-1363-A. dated April 15, 2003

and this federal district court docket:

//dockets.justia.com/docket/court-vaedce/case_no-1:2007cv00609/case_id-219024/%20Virgina%20Eastern%20District%20Court

and here:

sanderhicks.com...

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reply to post by Malichai


Oh no! That would be too easy! I think you just want to argue. Because there was nothing in my prior statement that the average person would have found controversial. But when ppl are adversarial, they will nit-pick on any little comment they can find. I was trying to show you the same respect as anyone else here. But you didn't want that. No! You want to come in here and throw your weight around and take over the topic.
If this issue is so important to you, start your own thread and post all these great facts you have that tear down the Wanta theory. I can't close this thread. It's open now, and has to run it's course.

Malichai you claim there is no proof yet several people here have offered links to information including myself yet you have not provided any proof to counter the claims. Except a privately owned blog. which offers peoples opinions which I saw no facts there. Then you say why should you go looking for proof because you did not find any from your previous research when asked for some.So far all I have seen has been pretty much your opinion. Show some proof of this being false and we might believe some or all of what you are saying, please.

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Thank you CaptGizmo! And just so it's not a one-liner; thunderous applause! Couldn't have said it better myself. Tried to say that and he didn't get it.

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Since I am not an econ major I have a couple of questions.

If this money were released back into the American economy, how would it be done.......what form would it take ?

Second. What would the effect on the economy be ? Bothe US and world.

Thanks for any info provided.

I recall being "wand"ed and passing through metal detectors since the early 70's at airports. So I wonder how 19 foreigners with RAZOR BLADE KNIVES were allowed to board domestic flights.

I recall that Cheney had the oil execs in a secret meeting early 2001. He would not release the minutes of the meeting. Fought to keep it secret. Rumor has it they were mapping out the oil fields to split up after invading Iraq. That "rumor" I believe came from Bush's own Treasury Secretary. Paul O'Neil, read his book and see.

I recall Clinton told Perle, Wolfowitz, Zackheim, Feith, Jeb Bush, Cheny and Rumsfeld in September of 2000 to forget their PNAC/Israeli scheme to invade Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Iran, according to their signed confession..err, manifesto of American Military Invasion and dominance of this century.

I recall what happened one year later, when these aforementioned creeps stole the election and gained power.

I recall I have always found most republicans deceiving, pathological nutcases. Not most. All.

I recall that the method of authorizing a military response to hijackings was changed in June of 2001, so that Rumsfeld had to give the ok. He didn't answer the phone until AA 77 slammed into the Pentagon. (I say Flt 77, I wasn't there, and although it seems unlikely the jet wouldn't have plowed the Pentagon lawn with it's huge, low-hanging engines while on a low level course like is alleged by the OTC, I'll tentatively state Flt. 77 until the REAL investigation begins).

I recall that the leading Afghani warlord was assassinated on September 10.

I recall in March or April of 2000, when Clinton was still in office, that the newspaper "Stars & Stripes" printed an article (front page) about $2.3 trillion missing from the Pentagon ledgers. Unaccounted for. Rumsfeld repeated this on September 10, 2001, but it was already a year old story then.

I recall that Israel stole nuclear secrets from our Pentagon. That spy rots in jail, bless his little Pollard heart. He had a statue erected in his honor in his hometown in Israel this year. Just for all those Israel First Americans to know. Honoered. For Treason to his erstwhile "home country" of America.

After 9/11/01, I recall that Israel stole secrets from our Pentagon relating to Iran, for which Larry Franklin pleaded guilty to Conspiracy. The same office Pollard worked in. And for which two AIPAC officials still await trial.

I recall how before 9/11/01, NORAD NEVER missed ONE intercept, yet "couldn't locate" FOUR relatively slow flying commercial jets flying over the most well-protected airspace in the world, for 1.5 hours. Even after two of them slammed into the towers. No, no need to be stretching the imagination for THAT whopper.

I recall when America wasn't a Fascist State, sponsoring what used to be labeled a terrorist organization before G.H.W. Bush was able to ramrod removing Zionism from the UN list of terrorist, criminal gangs.

I recall SecDef William Cohen speaking of " new advanced weapons" he couldn't even mention in 2000.

Where DID the 8800 steel encased floor pans in the two towers GO, precisely? No amount of jet fuel will melt those, I can assure you. Goggle: ace baker.

To put it in perspective: A jet holds @ one office cubicle worth of jet fuel. To say that amount could "melt" or "weaken" 110 stories of carbon steel I-beams steel, well, that's simply ignorance rearing it's ugly head and opening it's mouth, when silence and learning is best.

It's equivalent to stating one could melt a locomotive with a teaspoon of jet fuel.

There aren't any floor pan assemblies left in the tiny rubble pile.........they turned to dust, instantaneously. Go look, find ONE. THESE were the things that would have "pancaked", so where in the world are they??? 4400 per tower, GONE before they hit the ground. How??

Hard to fathom, that. Indeed, impossible with known, conventional weapons or in past skyscraper fire events.

I say: The core was evaporated. But How?

alupang,

Although your information is interesting what if any does your post have to do with this thread? It should be moved to a 911 conspiracy thread.

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Cap, it might be in reference to my statement that I was doing research on pre- 9/11 events.

Originally posted by CaptGizmo
Malichai you claim there is no proof yet several people here have offered links to information including myself yet you have not provided any proof to counter the claims.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. There is no proof that you provided that did not come from one or all of the Wanta Trio.

Your source is one single group of three people.

NOTHING ELSE! Absoluetly zero. All the info on the Wanta Hoax comes from them.

Except a privately owned blog. which offers peoples opinions which I saw no facts there.

I chose that blog because he has a lot of Wanta info in one place. And that page is just for the last year. There is more back in the archives. Links on right side of the page.

There are plenty of links to sources but they are embedded and the color is not very different from the other text. Hover across the paragraph above the quotes to find the link. I could offer many other blog type sources, but not any mainstream media because they don't bother debunking stupid hoaxes.

Then you say why should you go looking for proof because you did not find any from your previous research when asked for some.So far all I have seen has been pretty much your opinion.

All of the Wanta Hoax is their opinions. You don't seem to see your own contradiction. If there is any proof for this extraordianry claim, outside what the trio have to say, then you should provide it.

If I claimed the Earth suddenly changed its direction of rotation it would be up to me to provide proof.

If you claim that this guy made a 30,000% return on billions of dollars the US Government gave him [without any record in the budget] buying and selling rubles, which never went up in value and were never issued in the trillions let alone tens of trillions, then you may as well be claiming that the Earth suddenly changed its direction of rotation.

Go to Google. Type in 'Wanta Hoax'.

Show some proof of this being false and we might believe some or all of what you are saying, please.

The proof is the fact that there is no evidence supporting it other than what is coming from the Wanta Hoax Trio.

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Originally posted by CaptGizmo
Well Mr. Wanta being a made up person seems to be able to be in Federal court dockets
2003 federal court ruling, docket no. 02-1363-A. dated April 15, 2003

and this federal district court docket:

//dockets.justia.com/docket/court-vaedce/case_no-1:2007cv00609/case_id-219024/%20Virgina%20Eastern%20District%20Court

and here:

sanderhicks.com...

Leo Wanta is a real person, but his story is a hoax. That link is to a Writ of Mandamus from Wanta. You and I and anyone else could file similar documents. It means nothing.

Can you find any legal documents, not from the Trio, that support the trillions claim?

[edit on 31-8-2007 by Malichai]

I searched wanta hoax as you requested and funny.....under most of the wanta hoax I found mostly supporters.Not only that but I also found this:

www.godlikeproductions.com...

Is that you Malichai? Posting the same thing debunking the Wanta story?Using a different name but the same avatar. Not saying it is you just wondering.

Malichai you ask were is the mainstream media coverage? You mean the same mainstream media that infects us 24hrs a day with fear mongering and constant and blatant made up stories or completly exagerated story lines just for the fear factor.....funny; fear factor...isnt that a name of a news show on Fox news?
Here is some more info.


Little known to the public is the imminent insolvency of several large financial institutions due to the off-balance sheet and tax-free transactions in worldwide derivatives markets. Although the media continue to sensationalize their usual bevy of trivial news stories, the greatest financial scandal in the history of the United States, and in the world, marches onward, while their treacherous conspiracy and complicity to hide the facts in this case demonstrates their willingness to honor treason, corruption, and tyranny.

Despite the best efforts of the government and its intelligence agencies to distort the facts, misinform, or outright lie about the Wanta Plan, the Internet has been a repository of information. As the story has begun to be understood and verified by many outstanding researchers and conspiracy experts, the criminals perpetrating the fraud on the American public and the world have suddenly realized that the clock is ticking, and time is running out. Several Internet talk-show hosts (not worth mentioning by name) have determined the story to be "a hoax." Such ignorant declarations smack of the same hypocrisy that is evident among a "bribed" or "bridled" mainstream media. The citizens of the United States have witnessed countless assassinations of public figures, the subsequent cover-ups, and the rhetoric that ultimately follows. The problem here is that we have been lied to one too many times, and this story will not "go away," as have those of the past.

The time has come for all Americans to awaken from the mind control, the brain washing, and the dismantling of our individual sovereignty. Ambassador Leo E. Wanta, Michael C. Cottrell, M.S., and Christopher Story (a British citizen) have exhibited a determination to honor the truth, a quality severely lacking among those entrusted with our safety and well-being. These courageous men have demonstrated more loyalty to our country than those who have openly and systematically defied the very laws they, themselves, have created. The crime of the millennium is being perpetrated before our very eyes, and if left to an incompetent, compliant, and conspiratorial media, the price will be far greater than what is now an estimated $75 trillion in stolen funds.

The Idaho Observer

Who is Leo Wanta?

Although Wanta’s birth records and his Social Security number indicate his given name at birth was, "Lee Emil Wanta," he is known in intelligence circles as, "Leo Emil Wanta." The fact that Wisconsin authorities levied charges against him under "Leo Emil Wanta" shows the charges to be related to his position within the scope of his intelligence duties, and not as a private individual, "Lee Emil Wanta." The insinuation by the prosecution that "Leo Emil Wanta could not have been the Ambassador to Somalia because he is not black" is further testament of a conspiracy to discredit Wanta, while intelligence agencies and three successive presidential administrations blatantly pilfer public funds—funds that Wanta is still intending to repatriate into the U.S. Treasury.

Subsequent to Wanta’s illegal incarceration and persecution due to the bogus charges levied against him, he received an "Illuminati" 22-year prison sentence in Wisconsin. He was painted as a "liar" and a "con man" by the prosecution, though never actually proven by any evidence in court. To the contrary, fabricated statements made by Wisconsin authorities and the FBI conflicted with those made by the CIA. While Wanta was incarcerated, the CIA was raiding the various assets of AmeriTrust Groupe, Inc., New Republic/USA Financial Group, GES.m.b.H., Aneko Credit PTE, Limited, Marvelous Investments, Ltd., AmeriChina and his other companies, proclaiming that he was actually "dead," even though the CIA was well-informed of his "trial" and subsequent incarceration in an Oklahoma high-security prison. A 26-page handwritten letter to President Clinton at the White House persuaded him to commute Wanta’s sentence to "house arrest" in Wisconsin, but the illegal raiding of the various Wanta-owned, Title 18, Section 6 accounts then continued unabated and continues today.

After years of victimization through illegal imprisonment, torture, beatings, drugging, defamation, and assassination attempts, Ambassador Leo Emil Wanta rose from the ashes of his "death" and began to shock the rest of the world. In 2003, Virginia District Federal Judge Gerald Bruce Lee declared Ambassador Wanta to be the "Principal" and Trustor of the $27.5 trillion in funds obtained via the financial implosion of the Soviet Union. Wanta was now in a position to investigate the various means by which the last of three successive presidential administrations had been systematically embezzling the very funds he was commissioned by President Reagan to accrue to revitalize the beleaguered American economy.

Violating the public trustor

Upon his "release" from prison, Wanta remained under house arrest until May, 2005. Out of the way and powerless to intervene, Wanta watched as the raiding of his corporate accounts continued. To fully understand the enormous deception and level of corruption, one must read the publication, "International Currency Review." This 480-page quarterly is a masterful piece of investigative journalism which decimates the falsehoods, deflections, inconsistencies, and conspiratorial deceptions employed by the Administration, the banks, U.S. intelligence agencies, the U.S. Treasury, the Wisconsin Department of Revenue, and the Wisconsin State / U.S. Departments of Justice. Irrefutable evidence has been revealed in this publication, including official documents, Wanta’s handwritten notes and communications to government officials, court transcripts, public records, bank records and receipts.

The bank documents and illicit transactions that Wanta had documented are also supported, in some instances, by photographic evidence. On at least one occasion, intelligence operatives filmed Senator Hillary Clinton at the Bank of Crozier, Grenada. Wanta and others have documented no less than $742 billion in theft from U.S. Treasury accounts there, where Clinton is alleged to have presented CIA documentation in order to withdraw funds in April, 2003. The evidence was submitted to Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, who has been conducting grand jury investigations into a variety of crimes committed by career politicians and government operatives.

Add to this mountain of evidence supporting Wanta’s claims, in particular the exhaustive list of "participating banks" and elected officials "in the know," and there can be no doubt that there is a concerted effort by the mainstream media, the government and the courts to completely coverup this most-important crisis. Recent developments in foreign countries underscore the level of deterioration of trust and confidence in the U.S. government due to the outrageous plot to conceal the facts of this case and its negative impact on the world economy and exponentially-escalating levels of U.S. debt.

By December, 2005, Ambassador, Principal and Trustor Wanta had agreed to a settlement of $4.5 trillion, in order to prevent the total implosion of the U.S. economy. This settlement would have required his silence about the remaining funds, which would have given the thieves an "out" and allowed them to continue their pillaging. The settlement would also prevent a domino effect from occurring in other world financial markets. The embezzled funds have since circuited the world several times over, being deposited, transferred, and then laundered through off-balance sheet derivatives and other illegal transactions.

The numbers are staggering

It was no coincidence that the settlement funds were "signed off" to U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson, former Chairman of Goldman Sachs. Upon instructions from Federal Judge Gerald Bruce Lee, the $4.5 trillion settlement was originally deposited into a Bank of America account in Virginia, where the case was decided in federal court by Judge Lee. The windfall tax that Ambassador Wanta intended to pay to the U.S. Treasury amounted to $1.575 trillion. Just on the accrued interest alone, that windfall tax would have earned "$96 billion per day," according to Christopher Story’s "ICR" accounting. Story estimated that the U.S. Treasury, through the duplicitous activities of Secretary Paulson, lost some $10.5 to $11 trillion in interest during the 7-month period following the original "due date" of the $4.5 trillion settlement.

The State (Commonwealth) of Virginia stood to gain a windfall tax payment of some $270 million from the settlement. Because Vice-President and Treasurer Michael C. Cottrell, M.S., of the Ameritrust Groupe, Inc. conducts business in the State of Pennsylvania that state was due a similar windfall tax payment, though the actual amount is unknown at this time.

Other disbursements promised to foreign officials and/or governments include: "$30 billion to the Russian Federation, [and] $5 billion each to the governments of Canada, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Mexico, and Spain."

Where’s the money?

Previously, similar amounts had been promised to the governments of Israel and Palestine, though the "publicized" $15 billion dual payments to both governments were also stolen. Remember that Yitzhak Rabin had attempted to assist in the release of Ambassador Wanta from a Swiss gulag in Lausanne in 1993. Again, the media did its job by covering up the story.

In addition to the blatant refusal of the U.S. administration and the U.S. Treasury to disburse the funds to the legal trustor, the funds were transferred from bank to bank, moving first from the Bank of America account to Wachovia Bank in New York and onward to Goldman Sachs. Intelligence information shows that the funds still reside at Goldman Sachs, though this is denied by the firm. In fact, a Treasury agent recently confirmed that the funds are there, being held illegally and with the complicity of Secretary Paulson.The Idaho Observer

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