Calling all ATS'ers

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
The most likely nation that would and could do this is none other than Red China

What? Exactly how do the Chinese get their bombers from the otherside of the world, Past numerous Land, Sea and Air defences either way they go and managed to bomb D.C.? Those bombers would have no refueling capability and no fighter escort. The only bomber China has is a version of the Tu-16 Badger with a range of 4,660 mile. The distance from China to Washington DC looks to be well in excess of 9,000 miles. They simply would never make it through all our defences.

China's ICBM force is modernizing but there is always that little thing called MAD. China in no way could do a first strike that could wipe out all of America's Strategic Nuclear forces. China would be vaporized even if they tried a first strike.

wow, Are Bush and the president of Iran having lunch together or what? This seems scripted to me. Iran saying exactly what it should for us to go to war with them in the near future... It's almost like watching a movie with bad actors.
Iran vows to fill the gap if US pulls out of Iraq
Iran vows to continue nuke program

Iran sure does do a lot of vowing...
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Originally posted by Viszet Oki
wow, Are Bush and the president of Iran having lunch together or what? This seems scripted to me. Iran saying exactly what it should for us to go to war with them in the near future... It's almost like watching a movie with bad actors.
Iran vows to fill the gap if US pulls out of Iraq

It's called brinksmanship. This kind of give and take was very common between the US and USSR during the Cold War period. The sabres are absolutely rattling there is no question about that.

I would say that Iran has concluded (as the Soviets did in the run up to the Cuban Missile Crisis) that the US will likely not want to risk taking action against them at this time. Especially given the mess we are in right next door in Iraq.

I'm not saying that is an accurate assessment but it seems they are going to test to see how willing we are to take action...

Ahmadinejad's motor mouth is a piece of work. I think his speech writer works out of an office in Langley, Virginia. This guy is central casting's answer to all of Bush's woes. Ever since he started talking I've thought numerous times that someone got to him during the occupation of the US embassy in Teheran at the time of the Carter administration. I believe he has been ID'd by Americans who were there at the time as having been one of the revolutionary guards occupying the embassy. Some diplomat on staff there or some CIA agent present was on the job and doing his country's business in a time of trial, I believe.

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I am presently working on the outline requested by TruthWithin,. Not only am I looking into online resources, but am asking other people what they recall preceding those days. Something has been brought to my attention that I don't know enough about to state as fact, yet, but it has to do with a man called Leo Emil Wanta. He apparently worked for the Reagan administration and helped Reagan amass trillions of dollars, meant for the American economy. From what I understand, it's been a long drawn out thing in the courts, trying to get the Bush-Clinton Families to release this money back to Wanta, so that he can redistribute it to the American economy. Apparently, Bush has flat out refused. Somehow, China has gotten involved and is threatening Bush.Don't really know if this is one of those tin-foil hat conspiracies. Just heard about it. But I welcome the rest of you to help me research it.

I think I'll open this as a thread, so that I can get as many viewpoints as possible. I'm beginning to think that if there is anything to this, it may explain why China is doing some of the things it is doing at present. not to say that it is excusable. And maybe, this is why Bush feels the need for added security. ......and maybe not.

Have opened thread, not to derail this one by any means. It's much too important. But in addition to possible reasons as to why we may have heavy troop activity in DC. If you care to participate, join me at

Could Leo Wanta deal Be Cause of Heavy Troops In DC?

www.abovetopsecret.com...&flagit=299571














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In Mike Rupperts' Crossing The Rubicon, Ruppert discusses a guy named Mike Vreeland who supposedly had credible data on the 911 attacks prior to there being carried out.

From Crossing The Rubicon Chapter 17 intro
I believe that, from the information I have seen, “Mike” Vreeland tried to pass information to the Canadian government that should have been passed to the US government. That information had to do with the attacks of September 11. Whatever other attempts were made by Vreeland and his attorneys to alert US and Canadian officials of the attacks, it is clear that he did pass information about the pending attacks to his guards in August. I am willing to go to the Secretary of the Navy to determine whether or not he was actually a Navy officer. I know that there have been other US citizens with a similar background used on missions similar to what has been alleged by Vreeland. This man fits a pattern. I would like for the Secret Service to put him on a polygraph.
— Leutrell “Mike” Osborne, veteran former CIA case officer with
26 years of experience in counter-terrorism.

I cannot cut and paste the whole thing but basically this guy had intelligence on the coming attack and was pretty much framed, thrown in jail, and then had to fight for his reputation and story through the courts.

My point, we should keep on eye open for people making similar claims. Has anybody heard of similar stories developing at the moment? If so, then perhaps such people should be investigated further.


Otherwise, the current five points of focus listed by TruthWithin seem great from my perspective.

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I will translate what is written just after the main title under the blue flag:

"Stop islamisation of Europe"

"No sharia here"

"Enough is enough"

"SAID and "No sharia" in England has taken the initiative to a large demonstration outside the European parliment, sept. 11th 2007.

The initiative has now spread to most of Europe, Denmark, England, Germany, France, Spain, Norway, Sweden, Belgium and Holland. At the moment we are working on spreading the news to the eastern European countries and Italy and Portugal.

It's important that we get admissions for the demonstration as soon as posible so we know how many we will be so that we can plan the transportation to Belgium in decent time.

You can submit your admission here.... *link*

At the moment work is being down to raise a debate around the issue inside the parliment the same day.

For further information read... *link*"

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Followed by the comments section...

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It would appear that SAID is a danish organisation who is extremely anti islam and even calls themself the only resistance movement against islam in Denmark.
They hold ties with No Sharia.

I must admit that their name and politics have escaped my attention to this moment, but I do know how many danes feel, and though the majority of the public may not be as extreme as this organisation, I wouldn't be surprised if they do manage to get a large group going to the EU that day.
Only thing is how much media coverage they will get.

To clear up... SAID is not a Danish party per say. They do not hold members of the Danish parliment.

Random searh about 11th of september got me around a lot. This will probably be reaching again, but we can look past it if it is too far fetched:

That strike you mentioned pops up a lot on the internet. Facebook is no exception in this case.
Now there was a lot of talk at one time about Facebook enjoying money from a nonprofit organisation under the CIA, which in that way could be obtaining information from Facebook subscribers behavior etc. This is due to the terms of use where Facebook allows themselves to pass information to 3rd parties as soon as you subscribe to the site.

Now a guy called James Ryan Merket, Oklahoma, has been developing a software applications for Facebook. His newest being a video chat program that allows you make you own video chat room through Facebook. You can even detach the video part and keep it running if you need to go browse or search on the internet... how convienient? You see, Facebook allows developers to obtain information about you, pretty much under the same terms as Facebook itself, however it must be dont through Facebook and wouldn't you say that an application like Tokbox comes in handy there? Now you're even supplying live video to the people...

Merket is on Facebook one of the guys who is heavily interested in getting people on the streets for 11th september demonstration. He even offers information on where to sign up if you come from other states, ie. where you can go meet others for the demonstration in your neighbourhood.

Besides his computer work, Merket is also the co-owner of The Wherehouse in Bartlesville.
The Wherehouse is a Christian get-together arranging non-alcoholic, non-drug concerts for the youth.

So... Merket is a Christian, develops applications for a site that alledgely is tied to the CIA (an application that has potential to gather more detailed information than Facebook itself) and he wants people on the street sept. 11th.

Now I don't wanna invite to a manhunt of this guy... definately not. Just thought the coincidences were funny.

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Well, a couple people I work with were talking about spotting fighter jets flying over our city. We never have any sort of this kind of activity around here, and this is Canada so fighter jets? Well the idea is that they are training in this area for a bit now. Seems odd to me, they never did that before and the timing of all this other stuff with the $4 billion option and all the other troops being mobilized looks a little suspicious.
I too am on the west coast.

1st Post
*Cheers

Crazy as it sounds, the RELIGIOUS motivation of Bush and Ahmadinejad is the most overlooked story of all time. And I believe it's all a distraction from our learning any truly useful facts like the truths behind UFOs and (apparent) close encounters etc. What's the biggest thing those 2 numbskull heads of state have in common? Monotheism. And that doesn't necessarily mean any of the 3 official versions. Could easily be a Satanic Molech thing or whatever from Bohemian Grove or wherever... Point is, whatever deity those secretive creeps actually worship, they can easily co-opt the mainstream Abrahamics by blowing the right kind of smoke you-know-where. Religious people are the original gullibles.

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Thanks flice, we do live in volatile times, don't we?

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Couldn't agree more. This thread has me excited about ATS again.

We also need a step-back perspective.... think back over the lasty year and especially since May 9.. That was the day Bush signed NSPD-51, National Security Presidential Directive, and HSPD-20:

"The "National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive,"
with the dual designation of NSPD-51, as a National Security
Presidential Directive, and HSPD-20, as a Homeland Security
Presidential Directive, establishes under the office of president a
new National Continuity Coordinator."

And:
NSPD-51/ HSPD-20 appears to supersede the National Emergency Act by
creating the new position of National Continuity Coordinator without
any specific act of Congress authorizing the position.

NSPD-51/ HSPD-20 also makes no reference whatsoever to Congress. The
language of the May 9 directive appears to negate any a requirement
that the president submit to Congress a determination that a national
emergency exists, suggesting instead that the powers of the executive
order can be implemented without any congressional approval or
oversight.

I've got everything you could ever want regarding that executive order in this thread. Take your time, its a slow read. As they say, the devil is in the details.

something is going down, for sure. but how are we the people going to handle it when it does...

Sometimes I wonder if the American public can really be this blind. Then I read the 2/3rds of the populous do not believe the official story behind the attacks of 9/11. If our government continues along this path, there should be a new American revolution. Citizens of the country take up arms against the oppressors just as the original constitution proposed should happen in the event the government became corrupt (which of course it has). But then I wonder if a revolution is intended to occur... Out of the chaos of revolution a new leader would arise to unite the world in harmony... [ultimately slavery]. Prophecy, speculation... Who really knows what is going to happen save those who have designed such things to happen. I believe there is a conspiracy, (too many things are just too coincidental for me to rely on random chance) but at the same time many of the "theorist" could be part of the fear mongering tactics...
Those of us who spend all our free time reading the forums and involved with the theories are just as guilty as the sheeple who spend all their free time absorbed in the idiot tube and mass media manipulation. It is those who leave the comfort of home and go knock on their neighbors door and say "Hey, do you know what it going on? Are you aware of what is happening? Why aren't we doing anything about it?" These people are the real heroes. In this day and age that is what we need. This country is the way it is because you and I allowed it to be so. Only you and I have to ability to stand up, unite the masses and take it back. We are all people, even the government is just a group of people and they are the minority. Shouldn't the majority be in control?

I think the a"average" Americans problem is that they take what is spoon fed to them by the cable news networks as fact. No one wants to take the time to form their own conclusions and take a second to read between the lines or sit back and remember when CNN said they had found the terrorists passport in the rubble. If Fox news says Iran is bad well S#*! we better do something before they get out of hand. We Americans have gotten lazy. Drive thrus have been installed everywhere so that we dont have to get out of our cars. I would suggest that if this awareness type letter for the masses make it to print that we hand it out in a manner that prevented anyone from breaking a sweat. I would leave them in mail boxes myself but it may be a fedral offense. Im not trying to bash or critisize anyone here this is a great thread, I have only changed one persons mind on the topic of 9/11 and it broke his heart. The rest think im a nut. So put me to work op.

Hmph. Am I the only person in here that sees that most of the posters on this thread are taking unrelated events and linking them together to conjure up some kind of epic-level terror plot? The evidence is too weak, I think our rampant speculation must come to an end before our credibility gets seriously hurt.

Originally posted by uberarcanist
Hmph. Am I the only person in here that sees that most of the posters on this thread are taking unrelated events and linking them together to conjure up some kind of epic-level terror plot? The evidence is too weak, I think our rampant speculation must come to an end before our credibility gets seriously hurt.

Fair call there i must say.

This must be done and done right so that ATS credibility remains entirely intact and is indeed strengthened!


If once this plan gets to a level where the collated info can be put into a simple handout or similar that the average Jow Blow can understand and that we all agree is suitable, then i am more than happy to put my hand up and offer to disperse the info around Sydney.

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Agreed. This endeavour (sp?) may be what catapults ATS from the realm of Tin-Foilers to a serious think tank of modern ideas and values. I really hope this thread continues to grow with info and support.

Great work.



-Droops

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As this idea progresses we have to hope that ATS doesn't suddenly get sabotaged or hacked at too.

I mean, having this whole thing online could pose a serious threat to the whole idea if the site were to be hit as an attempt to silence the scheme.

OP, ensure all this data is baked up!