Ufo sighting in Parma, Italy

If these are flares they would appear one after the other. These do not, one appears in the middle of two orbs as the OP just showed us. Also one would think that they wouldn't drop flares around large cities after a few well know incidences.. Unless governments like to keep people's imaginations going.

This thread just reminds me how much it is "all" alike,ufo wise (eg: Phoenix),all i can do is believe i saw it and not let others try and twist my arm to doubt my eyes.

Great thread,loved the vids ..

This is what i saw in Jan 2005 ,i posted this on ATS but it was said to be "helicopters" on local radio ,this was a silent flying object(s) ,there were so many witnesses that it had to be announced on news,even in the end to be said it was choppers we never believed the explanation.

Could very well have been "man made" & piloted ,but myself and others have not seen anything like it so unidentified it will stay until i know what it was.



I spoke about this in the "Have you seen an Unidentified Flying Object?" thread ,in the long run i can try and convince people what i saw but nothing will keep skepticism of ugly nature away.Though it was received with good replies/attitude on ATS i steered away from this for personal reasons.



[edit on 8/27/2007 by qonone]

Source: L'informazione di Parma

A witness, Marzio Notari reported: "I was going to work when i noticed about twelve people keeping still at one side of the road and watching the sky, near Fidenza: i stopped the car and i've watched too: there was an object, spherical shaped, apparently metallic, reflecting the light of the Sun. Its color was brightly grey, and its movement was from the bottom to the top and vice versa, for aprox. ten minutes. Once in a while, he stopped and hovered, then , it blowed off. Some minutes before its disappearing, came some policemen too". This is happeneded less than one month ago. A similar object has been reported to have been sightseeing some weeks ago by another witness, a woman, in Vicofertile.

Photo: in the newspaper's caption of this photo there is written:
"Picture of the alien flight of Fidenza"
I don't know the source of this pic, neither if it's genuine or fake,
neither if it's available in a better resolution
and i don't want, provisionally,
to link this fact to the fact that we are discussing in this thread,
but it's happened less than one month ago in the same area.


I made some maps:
it seems that there aren't military activities in San Damiano,
but i need a official source's confirmation about it,
and this sounds to be a tiny bit complicated

Here are some chords:
Vicofertile 44°47'5.57"N 10°15'27.68"E
Langhirano 44°36'49.60"N 10°16'0.27"E
Fidenza 44°51'54.37"N 10° 3'42.23"E
Aviano 46° 4'13.64"N 12°35'12.30"E


Here we can see the distance between Aviano and Parma:
it should be more than 200 miles, but i don't know it exactly.


Here's the map of the witnessed sightings of the last month:
Langhirano is the one of the vid, filmed from Parma.


And here, we can see two random still images from the vid and the distance between parma and Langhirano: (all the witness and Giorgio Pattera, the scientist who is investigating says the objects where hovering over Langhirano hills at an altitude of approx. 4 km (2,5 miles).
If here, at the bottom, we see the lights of Parma,


it means that Langhirano is to the other side, at around 24 km (approx. 15 miles)

so, if they're ALL are saying the truth, the objects that we're seeing, are far approx. 15 miles and at an altitude of 2,5 miles. There's another quarter called Langhirano via arola, 15 km far (aprox 6 miles)... i don't know which one is. Around Langhirano i saw hills, around Langhirano via arola, not, and the newspaper says "over Langhirano hills".
Does someone is able to estimate how are big those objects in the case they are 15 or 9 miles far?



[edit on 27/8/2007 by internos]

So these lights were also seen in Langhirano? But they were filmed in Parma?

[edit on 27-8-2007 by WASTYT]

reply to post by WASTYT
The light were in Langhirano and have been filmed from Parma

Originally posted by qonone

Great thread,loved the vids ..

....even in the end to be said it was choppers we never believed the explanation.
I spoke about this in the "Have you seen an Unidentified Flying Object?" thread ,in the long run i can try and convince people what i saw but nothing will keep skepticism of ugly nature away.Though it was received with good replies/attitude on ATS i steered away from this for personal reasons.
[edit on 8/27/2007 by qonone]

Thanks, qonone; the pic looks very nice, i've seen the post in the thread "Have you seen an Unidentified Flying Object?". I searched the original thread but i couldn't find it: please, can you post the link to the original thread? I'd like to take a look
(i still havent seen it)



[edit on 27/8/2007 by internos]

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So these lights were filmed from 24 km (15 miles) away? That would make these orbs incredibly bright (in my estimation) and large.

This makes me wonder then, if flares can be seen from such a distance and be that bright.

Originally posted by WASTYT
reply to post by internos

 

So these lights were filmed from 24 km (15 miles) away? That would make these orbs incredibly bright (in my estimation) and large.

This makes me wonder then, if flares can be seen from such a distance and be that bright.

This IS the problem, IMO, the distance: if there are really 15 miles far from the camera, i don't think we're talking about objects of 5 feet width....
even if it doesn't look to be so far...
Ther's anothr small town called Langhirano via arola far "only" 15 Km from Parma. I'll ask to the guy who filmed which of the two is.


[edit on 27/8/2007 by internos]

Originally posted by internos
Now i try to open a thread in some forum in Parma, to gather others pics and (hope) videos. The biologist said he has more pics!

[edit on 27/8/2007 by internos]

Chicken Parmigiana, Eggplant Parmigiana, Veal Parmigiana... what's next, Grey Parmigiana?

So, the leading IFO contender seems to be flares. Could be.

However, why did someone set off 4 flares at that time and location? Perhaps the researchers could try and investigate that question?

Folks from Italy (internos and others), would you know of any reason to be setting off flares?

Is it possible to contact local authorities to find if someone was given a permit to do so on that date and time?

On 10 Aug there is no religious, scientific or political events in Parma, i've some friends in the city that confirm this information....

P.S. Great work Internos!!

[edit on 28-8-2007 by ImShrike]

I'm just spitballin here.. but couldn't you take the apparent magnitude of the objects and their estimated distance and plug that into a forumla (this would have to be done by someone more math savvy than I) and that would give you the mass of the object, correct? I was tryin to do this myself, but I'm not sure how to figure the apparent magnitude out.

Well... Nerone, the guy who filmed the objects, has kindly written to me to explane where he was and what are the city lights that we see to the bottom of the vid.
In green, here, the locations of previous sightings, in red Nerone's position, in yellow, Parma (NOT involved in the video) and Marano, which lights are the most far ones at the bottom-left of the video:



And, consequently, these are the updated distances:
NOW WE ARE SURE
P.S.: sorry for every inconvenience about the distance, but there are many difficulties to gather infos about this sighting and the newspapers talked about Parma.



Here's the link to a better res of video: #1
So that should be what we see in the video:

Originally posted by 2believeor0

Folks from Italy (internos and others), would you know of any reason to be setting off flares?

Is it possible to contact local authorities to find if someone was given a permit to do so on that date and time?

I'll say you one thing, just as example:
the people who witnessed the object near fidenza, less than a month ago, said that there were some policemen (carabinieri): once asked for a confirmation, the chief of the local station DENIED, despite of around twelve witnesses: i guess that the only way is to try to understand what really happened ignoring the official versions about these facts (by the way, it seems that strangely there aren't)


[edit on 28/8/2007 by internos]

Leaning towards flares for sure here, I noticed that they go out in the order they came on in which seems to suggest a flare burning out?

Salve a tutti,
sono il ragazzo che ha avuto la fortuna di riprendere l'evento, scusate se scrivo in italiano ma non ho familiarità con l'inglese e non vorrei scrivere stupidate.
Sono contento che il filmato abbia suscitato cosi tanto interesse, ma anchee essendo di buona qualità è stato molto diverso vederlo dal vivo!
E' stato davvero uno spettacolo che sicuramente non rivedrò mai più e mi fa piacere condividerlo con il maggior numero di persone possibili.
Grazie a tutti per l'interessamento!

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They go out in the way they appear? Well that doesn't explain the odd way that they appear. One would think a plane dropping flares they would light up 1-2-3-4. Well these do something completely different, they light up 1-3-4 then 2 shows up in the middle of 2 previously lit orbs. I think this fact alone rules out flares. Also the size, these appear much bigger than flares, also no visible smoke. Another tidbit, why the hell would they only release 4 flares and do this around populated areas. Anyways my 2 cents, peace.

Originally posted by Nerone
Salve a tutti,
sono il ragazzo che ha avuto la fortuna di riprendere l'evento, scusate se scrivo in italiano ma non ho familiarità con l'inglese e non vorrei scrivere stupidate.
Sono contento che il filmato abbia suscitato cosi tanto interesse, ma anchee essendo di buona qualità è stato molto diverso vederlo dal vivo!
E' stato davvero uno spettacolo che sicuramente non rivedrò mai più e mi fa piacere condividerlo con il maggior numero di persone possibili.
Grazie a tutti per l'interessamento!

I'll try to translate for everyone:

"Hi everybody,
i'm the boy that has had the fortune to film the event. excuse me if i write in italian but i dont feel well with english. I'm happy that the video has provoked so much interest, but also being a good quality, see directly was very much different. It was a show that sure I will not see again never more and makes appeals to me to share it with the greater number of possible persons. Thanks for interest!

Grazie Nerone per la segnalazione, sei stato un grande, ti prego di voler fornire piu informazioni possibili a riguardo, in questo sito ci sono molte persone serie ed esperte che sanno il fatto loro e possono aiutare chiunque abbia materiale da sottoporre ad analisi. L'interesse qui è davvero alto per questa faccenda. Grazie ancora da parte di tutti!

Member Nerone is the guy who filmed the UFOs we're discussing on this thread!

Nerone wrote:
Hi guys,
i'm the lucky guy who filmed the objects, excuse me for writing in italian but i haven't a good knowledge of english so is better to avoid to write something meaningless .
I'm happy that the video is so exciting, but honestly it has been much better to see them live!
It has been a show that i'll never see again, and i'm glad to share it
with as many people as possible.
Thanks to everyone for being interested!
Nerone

Ciao Nerone e benvenuto su ATS.
Come avrai visto il tuo filmato ha suscitato un bello scalpore; per prima cosa desidero chioederti se la ricostruzione grafica (l'ultima) ti sembra realistica, poi ti chiederò delle altre cose, ma per ora questa è la più urgente. Rispondimi pure in italiano, tranquillo.

Edit: ImShrike scusa, non avevo visto la tua traduzione: il mio post era bloccato per manutenzione.

[edit on 28/8/2007 by internos]

Ciao Internos, figurati se devi scusarti con me, tra l'altro la tua traduzione è decisamente migliore della mia, ritengo sia piu fedele al reale significato del messaggio di Nerone. Volevo mandarti un messaggio privato ma non ho abbastanza post per farlo. A mio avviso sarebbe interessante contestualizzare questo avvistamente con tutti quelli effettuati negli anni precedenti nelle stesse zone fino ad includere i famosi avvistamenti su Firenze del '54. Il centro-nord italiano sembra una zona particolarmente attiva dal punto di vista UFO, ma, almeno per me, è difficile riuscire a sintetizzare tutte queste informazioni in inglese a beneficio degli user di ATS. Per ora ringrazio e saluto e rimango "sintonizzato" in attesa di aggiornamenti!

Originally posted by ImShrike
Ciao Internos, figurati se devi scusarti con me, tra l'altro la tua traduzione è decisamente migliore della mia, ritengo sia piu fedele al reale significato del messaggio di Nerone.

Ti ho mandato uno U2U.
Me and ImShrike will try to assest that the base supposed to be located in Monte San Damiano no longer exists.

Nerone, in your opinion, is it possible to film from the same location with the daylight in order to compare the videos?

(Nerone, secondo te, è possibile filmare quattro minuti dalla stessa posizione con la luce del giorno per poter fare delle comparazioni sulle distanze?)


[edit on 28/8/2007 by internos]

Yea I know, on another video of a UFO over California the skeptics where decrying it as "battle flares" being shot out of a chopper..they just take
any excuse & twist it to fit their hypothesis, its as bad as claiming its a UFO outright too...

Originally posted by Starwatcher
reply to post by Mclane