USAF flying saucer pictures and document

I haven't read the entire document and it is quite possible that this is a haux, but it does provide with some interesting stuff for discussion. The pics are also very intriguing.

I will post more later whne I have had a chance to read it through.

www.usafflyingsaucers.com...

Luke

I doubt it's a hoax, but I also doubt that there's anything special about those saucers. To me, they just look like they slapped a circular wing onto a regular jet.

When it comes to this subject i am a believer, but I must qualify my position by adding that I am skeptical of claims of exclusive knowledge by individuals.
The catch 22 of that is that I also realize that only an individual will come out with information that would expose this program.

The pictures could have been manipulated by someone who is a professional. For instance the shadows under the disk and chase plane as they are over the runway seem a bit too perfect on an otherwise old and slightly washed out photo.



Another thing that bothers me is that this Michael H. Schratt is an autocad draftsman by profession and his personal website touts being able to "TURN YOUR MANUAL DRAWINGS INTO CAD" and "SPECIALIZED IN THE DETAILING UPDATING AND REVISIONS OF MECHANICAL CAD DRAWINGS, USING AUTO-CAD".

The point here is that AutoCad makes DXF files which can be used as the precusor to 3D modeling files. If he is an acomplished AutoCad user and good with, say, 3D studio and Photoshop he could very well have faked the photos... although it would have been quite time-consuming for him to do so with such minute and intricate detail.

Another thing that bothers me is the craft itself.... specifically the vertical stabilizer, propulsion method and claimed speed.

I just fast scanned the page and so I really didnt see any specifics on the propulsion method but it sounded like it was some form of jet since it had air intakes etc.
So that brings us to the speed... 15,000 + mph.
The problem here is that 15,000 mph is like Mach 21+ ...
The guy said it was a polished aluminum surface... where's the heat shielding? What's the method of propulsion?
Jet?
Rocket?
Antigravity? (cough)
...and if it's antigravity what's the vertical stabilizer for?

And I would like a further explanation as to the stealthiness of the disk which he said had frequently overflown Russian airspace with impunity and had the ability to drop smart bombs even way back before smart bombs were officially in inventory.

I remain pretty skeptical of this particular page - (if it's a fake it's a well thought out one for the most part, elaborate graphics detail and story telling...)

That said, I am fascinated by this sort of thing and do believe that there was/is an ongoing black program to develop this sort of vehicle that stems from German research and development dating back before WW2... as I too have seen "objects" in the skies over certain US AFB's.

the planes in that picture are 3d models.. at least the Sabre's rear wings look wrong..
Unless its not a Sabre.. it looks alot slimmer too.

But still.. those planes in that picture are 3d models.

[Edited on 16-1-2004 by Outtis]

no its a real photo. it is just a regular jet with a circular wing, big deal. by the looks of his work in auto cad, he does modelling, but the rendering and stuff looks awful, i dont thing he would be capable of making an image that looks that real.

as this superman fellow here stated.. the maker of these pictures could have at least used any half decent renderer to make these look more real...

Look at some of the other pictures....they are obviously photo-shopped... But, the disc still seems plausible, though I know quite a few McDill personel and none of them have ever spoken of it.....

Originally posted by superduperman
no its a real photo. it is just a regular jet with a circular wing, big deal. by the looks of his work in auto cad, he does modelling, but the rendering and stuff looks awful, i dont thing he would be capable of making an image that looks that real.

It's relatively easy to render a quick image that looks like crap - sort of like a first draft if you will...
that in no way lessens his ability to render using a better engine - also, you can get aftermarket metal textures etc to make an otherwise dull plain image look very realisitic.

there are no shadows on the planes.. and you can see that the sun shines slightly from the right side of the planes, at least the shadow on the ground looks like that.

*edit*

ecxept.. the shadow is straight underneath both planes, but the front landing gear is visible in the shadow.. which should not be there, if the sun was straight above them.
unless it was crooked to the side..

[Edited on 16-1-2004 by Outtis]

They look like good fakes to me.

These are definatly CG. Well atleast the saucer and the other aicraft in the "picutres" are computer generated and not real. I think something like this could be flyable though. These appear to be nothing special other than a circular wing.

Originally posted by Hyperspace
They look like good fakes to me.

If you look through them all some are horrible fakes. Some of them are very humorous.

It seems they have some of the best and the worst faked photos on that site.

A nice try.

I really did want to believe, the facts and story are good the photo's just let it down

I have now had a chance to read through most of the text. I think this may be quite plausible. If you read through the text it doesn't indicate that these are all photographs, in fact, the author states clearly that many of the m are illustrations. There does appear to be a couple of photographs mixed in, specifically on page one.

The author's description of the craft and their background seems like it could very well be true and does provide a great deal of evidence in support of this report.

He admits to not knowing the specifics about the propulsion system. Stating that the propulsion system that was used is no longer because the US now has better propulsion systems. He also explains a method of re-entry into the atmosphere, which may work.

All in all, I think it is a very interesting article and well worth a read and some consideration.

I find it interesting that these craft were just sitting around on an AF base. If the US denies having such craft (if they do, I'm not positive?), why would they leave them out in the open, why not just scrap them.

I also find that if an aircraft like this is in existence, I believe the majority of our UFO experiences may be accounted for (by no way am I indicating "case closed")

It isn't an F-86, but it might be a later F-84. A later model F-84 had the swept wings. The F-84 seems to be the only aircraft based on reality. Some people have more time on their hands than others!

[Edited on 1/16/04 by blythe]

All of the pictures on the first page look faked except for the arial view of that runway which you can't really see anything.

Carrion,

I don't see anything wrong with the photograph with the Jeep?

Care to explain your implications that they are fake and in fact humourous?

Whether the pictures are completely faked or not is really secondary to the question of the actual existence of these aircraft. I do believe some of the pictures are real, not all, I believe some (in fact, many) are simply illustrations to depict what the author's contact saw.

thoughts?

I think I heard this on the Jeff Rense program when I was half asleep. The guest stated that he created the pictures and refered to some guy who reportedly saw this. I was only half interested so I didn't pay much attention.

I believe this is the link to the radio show, go down to 12-16-03 World Exclusive USAF UFOs (when I tried today it said the server was busy so you may have to try later):

www.soundwaves2000.com...

they are definately 3D renders - when i saw the first image on the first page i laughed. the lighting is off, the textures and the perspective matching with the background is just plain bad. the only pic which looks half real is the black and white pic of everyone standing outside a hanger with a few craft.

to be honest when i first went to the link i didnt read anything just cos that first picture was so crap - i didnt say anything in case they might of declared that the images were fake mock ups...but i guess they dont.

Originally posted by Lukefj
Carrion,

I don't see anything wrong with the photograph with the Jeep?

Care to explain your implications that they are fake and in fact humourous?

Whether the pictures are completely faked or not is really secondary to the question of the actual existence of these aircraft. I do believe some of the pictures are real, not all, I believe some (in fact, many) are simply illustrations to depict what the author's contact saw.

thoughts?

I agree that the jeep picture looks the best. It being black and white makes it little easier to fake. I see some pixilation around certain areas of the saucer, particularly around the cockpit area and around the certain areas of the surface which could indicate the saucer wasn't in the origional picture with the jeep. It appears to me like there is some anti-aliasing used that blurs some of the curved edges of the saucer, and looks like the anti-aliasing left a few lines somewhat jagged. Also looking at the jeep's shadow comapred the the saucer it doesn't look quite the same. I think the jeep and the background is real but the saucer is not.

Let me know what you think. That is just what it looks like to me.

I thought some of the pictures were humorous since to me they looked like poor fakes.


[Edited on 16-1-2004 by Carrion]