Did the Space Shuttle dock at the Secret Space Station tonight?

Originally posted by Chorlton
Your assumptions and speculations might impress some but it does nothing for me and others

This is obviously not the thread for you Chorlton. Why not move along and let others be more constructive in their criticism. From what i can tell, based on your posts, is that you sit there going BS BS BS but you post no evidence against much of what is being posted by Z.

I read this with interest and take from it what is given. If you have valid proof that can debunk the patents, for example, by all means, post it. And why should you? - that's the reason we have these threads - with the amount of "evidence" Z and JL have posted i have not witnessed the same, or more, of people posting counter evidence. So IMHO, until such time as you have said "counter evidence" perhaps it would be best to refrain from imagining you know best? Just my 0.02.

reply to post by shearder


I'll decide on what threads are for me please. This is an open forum and Ill post when and where I please. If my comments disturb you then may I suggest you click the ignore button. Thats for people who dont like or cant tolerate other peoples opinions.

As for your final points, Zorgon and Lear post pretty pictures, and lots of supposition and speculation but as yet have provided no enduring evidence or proof of any 'Secret Space Station'. They have inserted their idea of reality and misrepresented evidence and people fall for it hook line and sinker, but that doesnt make it real. Its still guesswork based on confusion and distortion of the facts. Its highly amusing of course, in a comic book way but nowhere near the truth.
Oh and one more point for your 'reality' You cant disprove a negative.

Maybe you might prefer a world where everyone bows down and says 'Yes mighty one we believe you' but some of us here live in the real world. Look up 'Occams Razor' make that the thing you live by and youll find the world a lot easier and less puzzling.

A final point. If Zorgon and Lear have the right to question Nasa and everyone else, then I and others have the right to question them. I think even they would agree with that.

I agree, you can choose where you post. I choose not to use the ignore button as a rule AND i don't find everything you say in all threads totally unfounded. So because i disagree with you on some issues does not mean that is in totality.

Originally posted by Chorlton
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As for your final points, Zorgon and Lear post pretty pictures, and lots of supposition and speculation but as yet have provided no enduring evidence or proof of any 'Secret Space Station'.

Perhaps you are right BUT again I have seen no one post anything as substantial to disprove. So where does that leave us? It is an interesting thread with much "material" to persuade. Whether it is or isn't fact is up to those prepared to find the opposing evidence.

Originally posted by Chorlton
They have inserted their idea of reality and misrepresented evidence and people fall for it hook line and sinker, but that doesnt make it real.

Nothing Z and JL have posted make it reality and all of what they post make it reality. I think they are doing an outstanding job of offering up what they know. If it is all BS then there should be a path to be followed with counter evidence. It depends in which reality one prefers to exist. I, personally, have an open mind but that does not mean i believe in the tooth fairy.

Originally posted by Chorlton
Its still guesswork based on confusion and distortion of the facts. Its highly amusing of course, in a comic book way but nowhere near the truth.
Oh and one more point for your 'reality' You cant disprove a negative.

How do you, or I for that matter, know, with absolute confidence, that it is all BS or distortion of information and or facts? I could search the internet all day and not come up with anything to disprove what is posted - likewise i may not come up with anything that substantiates the information or facts but that does not prove it to be a negative. Also, you won't find my birth certificate on line but that doesn't mean i don't exist.

Originally posted by Chorlton
Maybe you might prefer a world where everyone bows down and says 'Yes mighty one we believe you' but some of us here live in the real world. Look up 'Occams Razor' make that the thing you live by and youll find the world a lot easier and less puzzling.

Nope, that's not the world i would prefer or live in. The fact of the matter is that one needs to be open minded. Take from it what you will and ignore the rest. Or, ignore it all. That is up to each individual - but I would rather be open minded, as i don't believe, for example, we are the only "beings" in existence in this galaxy; but i have not seen UFOs or little green men.

I think Occams Razor is thrown around too liberally IMHO. People use this as a be all and end all theory. What is not considered is that it is not an exact science that can be applied. Specifically - the simplest solution TENDS to be the right one - but not always.

Originally posted by Chorlton
If Zorgon and Lear have the right to question Nasa and everyone else, then I and others have the right to question them. I think even they would agree with that.

100%! I agree with you. But, question them, as you have been doing - by all means i am with you on that. However, when standing there and saying that it is speculation or BS, you may well be right, but at least back up your argument with material proof as they have done in providing the info.

Again, I am going to try and assume i will know what you will say to that, "their proof is not proof and is not official and could be fabricated" ok and i know what "assume" means - but it comes back to the point that if there is no proof of the existence there should be something to prove that? i.e it has been tried before and failed etc. Also, any proof found could also be disinformation from the NSA or NASA etc.

So it comes back to, I don't live in a land of fairies but i maintain an open mind. I entertain the possibilities.

I came up with this drawing. using markers, not very good, but I did it kinda fast. just a representation of what the space station might look like in space



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Originally posted by ChorltonIf my comments disturb you then may I suggest you click the ignore button. Thats for people who dont like or cant tolerate other peoples opinions.

Holy smokes, I can't believe this, from a fellow? Well, if that is what you want, I am obliged to comply.

And like God, you will disappear in a puff of logic through these gates...

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Very funny, but that is spot on!

I was thinking today how black spaceships and black space stations hark back to the classic conspiracies of the black helicopters, and how such claims can be seen as extensions of the same.

What makes this scenario stranger than fiction is the fact I used to know someone who worked on the black helicopters, and according to this person they were not completely black, sporting an identifying mark.

So, I know of their existence. There is some credence after all for the reality as the extension of the same.

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Could you do a drawing of how you made the sausage dissapear in your microwave?

Ive heard of 'hide the sausage' but never 'dissapear the sausage'

Originally posted by MrPenny
"Shopping mall"?? That's pretty cryptic. I have no idea what you're talking about.

CRYPTIC??

You have simply GOT to be kidding me? You of all the skeptics I at least gave credit with some intelligence...

You disappoint me me Mr Penny... you come into this thread and don't even read what its about? I just posted three pages about the 'shopping mall' and you don't know what I am talking about? and then have the nerve to tell me to "get off my high horse" when I simply request a return to topic rather than debate word semantics?

Wow that has to be a new low...

:shk:

Originally posted by usin420
Back on topic, I think what zorgon was hinting at with the "cheshire cat" may be that the SSS has some type of optic camouflage so it couldn't be seen with a regular telescope, but I'm sure he can eloborate on it better than I can.

Very good usin420... not bad at all.... Yes I could elaborate on it a lot, but it would not be 'wise' at this time... be patient... I have my reasons... but I had to say that you are on the right track...

Originally posted by Chorlton
Your assumptions and speculations might impress some but it does nothing for me and others

Well sir that is what its all about here... to show our theories and provide evidence as best as we can with what is available to the public without crossing the line into national security issues...

We have shown a wealth of data, some direct and some circumstantial to be sure, but connecting all the pieces together definitely shows a pattern. You may not agree... you may not see what is going on... that's fine... but to be honest your constant 'there is nothing going on' attitude is quite frankly getting old.

As to your response to Jack about the fruit...

Minimum protection is applied to the F & V by sanitization of the outside.
When a food product is exposed to oxygen in the air, oxidative chemical reactions occur. Oxygen attacks the structure of a molecule and the result is not positive

xidative rancidity of lipids, destruction of oxygen-sensitive vitamins, such as ascorbic acid, and color changes are a few of the outcomes.
And the oxygen content in the air on the ISS is higher than on Earth.
Also both heat and the effects of micro-gravity over storage can cause emulsions to break down.
Fruit & Veggies are not refrigerated on ISS or on their way up there.
And since it takes Progress ships three days to get there, the process of decay has already started.
Do some research before you call someone “ignorant”. - Jack Arneson

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Chorlton
Your assumptions and speculations might impress some but it does nothing for me and others

Well sir that is what its all about here... to show our theories and provide evidence as best as we can with what is available to the public without crossing the line into national security issues...

So are you now suggesting you have evidence that is secret?
Oh of course you do......Its secret so we cant see it can we

We have shown a wealth of data, some direct and some circumstantial to be sure, but connecting all the pieces together definitely shows a pattern.

Indeed it does sir, but to use those patterns as a massive leap of faith into proposing some of the things you have said is preposterous.

You may not agree... you may not see what is going on... that's fine... but to be honest your constant 'there is nothing going on' attitude is quite frankly getting old.

As is your constant, "its the truth.....its real believe me....... its all a conspiracy.... its a secret..... I'll tell you all about it later"

As to your response to Jack about the fruit...

Minimum protection is applied to the F & V by sanitization of the outside.
When a food product is exposed to oxygen in the air, oxidative chemical reactions occur. Oxygen attacks the structure of a molecule and the result is not positive

xidative rancidity of lipids, destruction of oxygen-sensitive vitamins, such as ascorbic acid, and color changes are a few of the outcomes.
And the oxygen content in the air on the ISS is higher than on Earth.
Also both heat and the effects of micro-gravity over storage can cause emulsions to break down.
Fruit & Veggies are not refrigerated on ISS or on their way up there.
And since it takes Progress ships three days to get there, the process of decay has already started.
Do some research before you call someone “ignorant”. - Jack Arneson

Oh dear there we go again. When youre in a hole stop digging mate

There are a multitude of ways to sterilise F&V and to prolong their shelf life

High pressure processing can be used for sterilisation of food products if applied at elevated temperatures and using the temperature increase due to adiabatic compression. By choosing the appropriate process conditions, it is possible to completely inactivate both vegetative cells and microbial spores resulting in food products that are shelf stable. The quality of high pressure sterilised products is usually superior to conventionally heat sterilised products. This applies particularly to texture, flavour and retention of nutrients. The effect of high-pressure sterilisation on colour is product dependent. This varies between a full retention of the fresh colour and the same colour change as obtained by conventional techniques.
(Agrotechnological Research Institute ATO, PO Box 17, 6700 AA, Wageningen, The Netherlands )

Radiation can also be used to sterlise F&Veg to prolong edibility as can liquid sterilisation of the exteriors of fruits.
Do some research yourself

Originally posted by shearderstrange how this article came out now after zorgon started investigating their cargo manifests, maybe they're getting a little nervous.

I have to absolutely agree!! great find usin420! I believe NASA watch this stuff and then go "OH OH, we can't hide it now so we better make it public so it isn't all the secret anymore and THEN we can say - YES but we told yo about it!"

There is one other thing I will point out here....



The picture above of the oranges and grapefruits, part of an article with more images that you saw earlier came from this NASA source

NASA - Exploration Systems - Raiding the Cosmic Pantry
http:// exploration.nasa.gov/articles/pantry_9-02.html
(link split so you can see the whole thing)

Below is the active link... go see what is there... and NOTICE THE DATE

Page Moved or No Longer Available
09.14.2007

We're sorry, we have reorganized our site and the page you have requested may have changed or is no longer available. If you do not find it on the new site and you would like to request an archived version, please contact Alex Pline.

exploration.nasa.gov...

Fortunately the article was (an may still be) available in google cache and I at least have a copy

So how is THAT for coincidence especially adding the 'scramble' to post the 'sanitization' article...

As to NASA watching what we are doing here... I don't have to guess... of THAT I have proof

Subject: Your website...
From: XXXXXXXX, David \(JSC-XXX\)[USA]"
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:09:31 -0500
To:

Hello,

I am currently reading through some stuff on John Lear and came across your website www.thelivingmoon.com... (rest is private...)

Thanks,

David XXXXXXXXX
Houston, TX

I will also add that this 'location' is the same as the image gallery that 'disappeared' in the Moon thread... and is the same location Gary McKinnon claims he found pictures at...

And David... if you are watching this one I have something interesting for you coming this week

[edit on 25-9-2007 by zorgon]

Originally posted by zorgon
I just posted three pages about the 'shopping mall' and you don't know what I am talking about?

Pardon me. Frankly, it was so overdone and goofy I ignored it. It was somewhat disruptive; as if someone had dropped a "Tom and Jerry" cartoon right into the thread. But again, you decided to put your own spin on it and decide I was "at a loss for words". No, simply didn't think it was worth commenting on.

So they haul a lot of stuff up there do they? So what? I live way out in the country and if I make a mistake and don't get enough green beans for the casserole....its a pain in the arse running into town to pick up a can. Of course, that's frickin' impossible in orbit. So you're best bet is....have more than you need of everything.....risk management defined. Most people seem to be assuming that all of that cargo is actually consumed in a resourceful manner. I haven't seen any reference to how much of the supplies are wasted or trashed.

Come to think of it.....I'll bet they don't do laundry....lack of resources you know....so all of their fresh clothing must be hauled to them. I wonder.... how much does clothing for 3 men, for several weeks, weigh?

Originally posted by zorgon
Wow that has to be a new low...

Ehm, erm, perhaps I have judged harshly, all mages must pass through the fool's stage.

And to think you thought of me as the court jester...

So his save shows a mind that works like yours, kitchens, toiler paper, and now laundry...

Originally posted by Matyas
So his save shows a mind that works like yours, kitchens, toiler paper, and now laundry...

Don't fret it Matyas. You've shown an inclination to hit that 'ignore' button pretty quick so I'm sure I won't shake you up to badly. Rest assured, my mind does not work like zorgon's.

zorgon, I looked over the material, (in your words "tongue-in-cheek"), covering your "shopping mall".

So what are you trying to say? Some folks are spending a lot of money in an attempt to commercialize space? That's kinda' the way capitalism works.

I'm willing to bet, that if tested, it can be shown that your fans follow up on your links and citations less than the detractors. I don't because, what's the point? The key is the carefully loaded questions....the small side hints...that don't prove anything, but do an excellent job of planting the idea into people who really want to see Star Trek really happen, now.

Originally posted by MrPenny...do an excellent job of planting the idea into people who really want to see Star Trek really happen, now.

Actually, as it is my understanding, the original intent is not so much to sell the public as to inquire what is the purpose of all this stealth, how far has it gone on, and why at the expense of all else?

Why were simpler, effective, and feasible technologies scrapped, what manner of madness falsifies history, and how can we get a piece of the action?

About the way those minds work, I already knew that. I just thought the comparison amusing...

Originally posted by Matyas
Actually, as it is my understanding, the original intent is not so much to sell the public as to inquire what is the purpose of all this stealth, how far has it gone on, and why at the expense of all else?

Stealth? You call this stealth? So zorgon has been sneaking into office buildings and collecting this information? The information he is apparently overflowing with? So much that he can't release it all at once, but must "tease" the audience with future releases? What the heck is stealthy about all of this stuff that has been gathered, apparently from the public domain?

Stealth? Its the bad assumptions and faulty conclusions that cause the appearance of stealth, not the reality.

Originally posted by MrPenny...So zorgon has been sneaking into office buildings and collecting this information? The information he is apparently overflowing with? So much that he can't release it all at once, but must "tease" the audience with future releases? What the heck is stealthy about all of this stuff that has been gathered, apparently from the public domain?

Aha! I just figgered you out, yer a LAWYER!

You damn well know stealth refers to black spaceships, black space stations, disappearing "public" information sources, all the cloak and dagger that accompanies the seedy underside of big government money.

Now I have you, twisting and turning the words and meanings, churning, writhing and seething in a bubbly vat of lies and flies.

I can be fastidious with the insult. I can, but I shant!

Dude! zorgon

Subject: Your website...
From: XXXXXXXX, David \(JSC-XXX\)[USA]"
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:09:31 -0500
To: [email protected]>

Hello,

I am currently reading through some stuff on John Lear and came across your website www.thelivingmoon.com... (rest is private...)

Thanks,

David XXXXXXXXX
Houston, TX

What did he say man, you don't have to post it or get into detail just give us a ruff idea. You got me curious now.

Hey Zorgon What do you make of this??
Lunar image of what looks like a SSS

Aug. 28th the image was taken..

When I saw the image go across the moon it really made me think..
The guy asked himself, that looks like a space station...

Could this video be proof that we have things up there. That the government and NASA is not telling us about?

A neat video, I thought I would share it here with you all.

[edit on 25-9-2007 by zysin5]