Foreign Troops Training on American Soil

Originally posted by pieman
[regarding your original post, the first thing that sprung to mind were the ''alleged'' torture prisons the US has ''allegedly'' set up in all over the eastern bloc countries, i wonder what kind of special training the czechs were receiving.

Hmmm, I doubt it can be any better or worse than what the old KGB taught them back in the day.

I always wondered why they would bother with Eastern Europe anyway. There are 100 if not thousands of tiny islands in the Pacific were you could set this stuff up, no escape, no nothing and torture to your hearts content.

I haven't read through this whole thread, but there's absolutely nothing unusual about foreign troops being trained and participating in joint exercises within the United States. It happens all the time.

I see absolutely no reason to be afraid of our allies coming here to train with our troops.

reply to post by janasstar

It's not just our Mexican borders that remain open. It's all our borders that remain open. But maybe you make a good point.

Does anybody have anything relating to government policy and not theory?
In some ways I feel this has been answered, because many of you have brought it to my attention, that it isn't the first time that we have had foreign troops on American soil for training purposes. And then some of you have only interjected that we go to their countries, 'why not ours?' I want to know if there is any written policy pertaining to this. Does anyone have anything bona-fide?

I apologise that I was in a hurry and have not read all the threads.

Firstly, training overseas troops is merely a consequence of alliances. In Iraq there was the so called co-alition of the willing and yes Czech troops were in Iraq too.

How can you expect to field troops of other nations side by side with US troops in a combat zone and not have them understand each other's methods, not be able to communicate on the same radios, not be able to assist each other in an emergency ?

Overseas troops in USA are there at the invitation of the US Government as guests for the mutual benefit of both countries.

USA is a member of NATO and so is the Czech republic. Ever heard of Red Flag exercises which have been going on for decades.

Virtually all of Singapore's armed forces train in USA. Singapore has permanent detachments based in USA. US forces are also based in many other countries.

This thread strikes me as quite xenophobic. Americans need to stop believing the world ends at the US border and realise we are all on this planet together.

For that matter my tiny country trains troops from Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand, Malaysia and used to train Fijian troops. These ties build bridges of friendship and understanding.

When New Zealand and Australian troops went into Timor as peacekeepers, it was only this bond of friendship which prevented Indonesia from going to war against Australia.

Think again. Welcome foreign troops and use it as an opportunity to learn about their cultures.

Originally posted by sy.gunson
I apologise that I was in a hurry and have not read all the threads.

Firstly, training overseas troops is merely a consequence of alliances. In Iraq there was the so called co-alition of the willing and yes Czech troops were in Iraq too.

How can you expect to field troops of other nations side by side with US troops in a combat zone and not have them understand each other's methods, not be able to communicate on the same radios, not be able to assist each other in an emergency ?

Overseas troops in USA are there at the invitation of the US Government as guests for the mutual benefit of both countries.

USA is a member of NATO and so is the Czech republic. Ever heard of Red Flag exercises which have been going on for decades.

Virtually all of Singapore's armed forces train in USA. Singapore has permanent detachments based in USA. US forces are also based in many other countries.

This thread strikes me as quite xenophobic. Americans need to stop believing the world ends at the US border and realise we are all on this planet together.

For that matter my tiny country trains troops from Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand, Malaysia and used to train Fijian troops. These ties build bridges of friendship and understanding.

When New Zealand and Australian troops went into Timor as peacekeepers, it was only this bond of friendship which prevented Indonesia from going to war against Australia.

Think again. Welcome foreign troops and use it as an opportunity to learn about their cultures.

It might behoove you to read all of the posts in the thread. As I get tired of repeating myself. No one said they were unwelcome!!!

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Know where I can get a 10 ft banner saying 'WELCOME TO AMERICA! ALL YE FOREIGN TROOPS!' Since nobody here bothers to read what I'm saying?

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sorry i had to come to work and it took a while to get back on this topic. i dont have links or pics or a name for a policy for what we are discussing.. that being said, it has been my personal experience that we cross train with several countries for more reasons than i care to list. The canadians unless things have changed train all of their tankers at Ft. Knox, ky with the 1 ATBN ive been there seen it and trained with them. we also had political refugees that trained with us in our uniform getting a US pay check and didnt speak a lick of english. the britians also participated in many of these exercises. the Australians trained with our scouts and tankers if im not mistaken.and so on and so on.

What always struk my as interesting and i dont know why, were the russians. there were never anything but high ranking officers there and we were not allowed to speak to them unless they started the conversation. 90% of the equipment was classified and as far as i know still might be. they werent training for a joint effort. they were there as observers.

as for the freedom fighters we have been training them since the 40's or 50 as our puppets in south america. drug wars, coups ect. that is common knowledge, however most didnt know we train them on US soil.

i could go on and on but im stopping there for time sake. but if you want me to break it down to experience with one of the many countries i listed, id be more than glad

This is your thread OP bidding you all a goodnight. You will all have to argue amongst yourselves until tomorrow. 'til then be safe!

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You got that right, and securing borders goes both ways. We don't need undesireables crossing our line into Canada either. Apart from the border issue there is the port authority issue as well. Are the contracts to operate sea ports still in foreign hands? From what I have heard security there is quite lax, i.e. cargo container inspections. There are too many openings. I have a story here. I have a buddy who hails from a town near the International border (Can. - U.S.) He hunts down there quite a bit and stays on the Canadian side. Quite often he runs into American hunters who have unknowingly walked across the line. The area is heavily forested. This says a lot for border security.

Since nobody here bothers to read what I'm saying?

Janasstar do you feel the need to U2U everyone personally and challenge them about their replies?

Your behaviour is frankly rather hysterical.

I took your challenge. I chewed my way through all that drivel. Especially the crap from Darkstar about kicking the Czechs and her own brand of paranoia about foreign troops trying to take her guns away from her.

What ever medication you guys might be on, it isn't strong enough.

I didn't need to read it all because it was so predictable and repetitive. You're just pumping out hysteria based on your own ignorance.

Frankly Darkstar, the world doesn't give a damn.

Most people living outside the US wouldn't even want the US as an inheritance, much less to take it over.

Janasstar if you knew your history, or anything at all about the world outside the States, maybe you'd realise that the Czechs hate the Russians even more than you do.

Ever heard of anything called the Prague uprising in 1968 ?
Probably not.

Do yourself a favour. Get a passport. Take a trip to Europe. Don't travel in an air conditioned coach full of elderly fat Americans. Go talk to people of different cultures. In fact even better. Try listening to them.

As for 9/11 paranoia, so what ?

USA does not hold exclusivity on being attacked, or invaded. Compared to the sufferings of the Czechs in World War 2, from the Germans and then by the Russians, American hysteria about 9/11 is ridiculous.

It happened... It was terrible... Now get over it.

9/11 was nothing to do with Czechs. It was nothing to do with foreign troops training on US soil. Your justifications for this hysteria are plain ridiculous.

You talk about these Czech allies as if they were some kind of murders and that is totally offensive.

I bet you wonder why most Europeans don't want anything to do with supporting USA in Iraq and then you talk so hatefully about these poor Czech service people who were your allies in Iraq ?

If 9/11 bothers you so much why aren't you up in arms about the evacuation of Bin Laden's family from USA after 9/11 ?

Frankly Janasstar if I told you how idiotic I really feel this whole thread is, I would probably be banned, but this drivel over seven pages of replies is not worth another moment of my attention.

Say what ever you like in reply. It doesn't interest me what ignorant people think.

The US has been training foreign troops, pilots, special ops, sailors, etc, since before most of us were born. This is not a big secret and I have seen many Arab (Saudis especially) pilots go thru the AF's flight training in Texas when I worked on Randolph AF base a few years back. Believe it or not, we still have many allies that need training only we can provide.
It's a fun topic but I don't think there's much of a conspiracy here, JMO from my experience.

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i have to agree with you mate, she seems quite determined that anyone that is not giving her the answer she is LOOKING FOR then they must just be repeating every one else, when in fact every one else is right and she does not want to .. or cannot accept that.

I think someone is fishing for a conspiracy.

You want national policy on training foreign troops?

Easy.

There is nothing that says it cannot happen, therefore is legal.

Now, if you want a foreign relations policy and a military policy then they would of course welcome joint training operations, builds relations you know.

*sigh* there I go repeating my self..

Why don't you give us YOUR thoughts on the subject, instead of ridiculing OTHERS for replying to YOUR damn thread! I am sure it will be most enlightening.

reply to post by DaleGribble

Thanks for coming back and sharing the info. As I said before in this thread. This is all new to me, any training of foreign troops on U.S. soil. Not that I have preconceived notions of anything being wrong with it. But, like a lot of people I do have concerns and questions. And I felt this would be an excellent place to get them out in the open. Not just for me, but anyone else that is unaware of what's going on and why. Maybe we can all get educated. Thank you Mr. Gribble, and anything that you or anyone else can add here, whether for or against, is a welcome view point. It's open for discussion.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
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i have to agree with you mate, she seems quite determined that anyone that is not giving her the answer she is LOOKING FOR then they must just be repeating every one else, when in fact every one else is right and she does not want to .. or cannot accept that.

I think someone is fishing for a conspiracy.

You want national policy on training foreign troops?

Easy.

There is nothing that says it cannot happen, therefore is legal.

Now, if you want a foreign relations policy and a military policy then they would of course welcome joint training operations, builds relations you know.

*sigh* there I go repeating my self..

Why don't you give us YOUR thoughts on the subject, instead of ridiculing OTHERS for replying to YOUR damn thread! I am sure it will be most enlightening.

LISTEN BULLY!! Ithink you need to read my posts more carefully!!! I NEVER said there was ANYTHING WRONG with them being here. I questioned them being here, because I was totally unaware of this sort of thing until all you good folks took the time to enlighten me. I have since become more educated on the matter. But now that the thread is open, it is my responsibility to hear all sides, whether for or against, and keep an open mind. I kept an open mind when YOU presented YOUR post. But you are becoming relentless in your personal attacks on me. So What is your point exactly.? FURTHERMORE, if you don't like my 'damn thread' as you put it, then leave!!! It may seem as though I'm encouraging side 2 more than side 1. And in a way I am. Because I've noticed that their posts are very short and incomplete of info. And I wonder if it's because of fear of being shouted down by bullies like you. That's why I am encouraging their opinions more. I want everybody to have an equal stand here. Not just those that can shout the loudest and the meanest.

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Apparently Rockpuck thinks because I am a Christian and carry the 'turn the other cheek' philosophy, that he can just steam roll all over me and I'll just be a cry-baby. But let me say this, I was Cherokee, German and Irish before I was a Christian, and I still am. And those elements can rise again!!! :-)

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Fascinating.

LISTEN BULLY!! Ithink you need to read my posts more carefully!!!

I have read your many, many repeated one line post.

I NEVER said there was ANYTHING WRONG

Never did I say that you believe it "wrong" but instead that you for some reason think America so special that other nations troops would not be allowed here while we go where and when we please.

I questioned them being here, because I was totally unaware of this sort of thing until all you good folks took the time to enlighten me.

Many people said many things, and I doubt any thing "enlightened" you one bit. You continuously ask the same questions and get MAD when someone gives you the right answer! I believe it was you who suggested that it would behoove a member to read the thread, which if he where to he would say the same thing because its what we are ALL saying. But.. you don't seem to like the answers your getting.

I kept an open mind when YOU presented YOUR post.

Indeed.

But you are becoming relentless in your personal attacks on me.

Lol. Personal attacks? Do, copy and paste my attacks and I will then personally hand them to the mods and ask nicely for a spanking.

So What is your point exactly.?

You made up your mind on the said subject.

FURTHERMORE, if you don't like my 'damn thread' as you put it, then leave!!!

I rather enjoy confrontation.

It may seem as though I'm encouraging side 2 more than side 1. And in a way I am. Because I've noticed that their posts are very short and incomplete of info.

Herm. Maybe because like most over sesational people their thoughts are based on emotion and ignorance instead of actual research and facts. Deny Ignorance, that is ATS's motto, not hear a story and believe it 100% without research. Czech troops in Texas! OMigosh! Call Alex Jones to make a new movie about military exercises then claim its a NWO take over and make MILLIONS.

And I wonder if it's because of fear of being shouted down by bullies like you.

LOL.. if you fear me, any of you, let me know. Though, it may inflate my already large ego.

That's why I am encouraging their opinions more. I want everybody to have an equal stand here. Not just those that can shout the loudest and the meanest.

So your intentionally dragging a thread out for what reason?

Apparently Rockpuck thinks because I am a Christian and carry the 'turn the other cheek' philosophy, that he can just steam roll all over me and I'll just be a cry-baby.

Quite honestly, I had no idea you where a Christian. Nor do I care. Nor did I want to know, but good for you. Want a cookie?

If I steam roll over you, then quite honestly that does not say much for your argument, does it?

But let me say this

*cowers with fright*

I was Cherokee

Mmkay,

German

Mmkay,

and Irish

Alrighty..

before I was a Christian

Interesting..

and I still am

Well, congratulations on that, I will have to bring you a prize later on, remind me if you will.

And those elements can rise again!!! :-)

I am so perplexed and completely lost as to what the hell your talking about and how it relates to the thread. Or me for that matter. Or why your heritage even matters? I suppose you believe it gives you a special trait.

The only thing being Irish has done for me is, well of course be incredibly good lookin and be able to consume very large amounts of alcohol very frequently.

Anywho..

I forget the point of the thread anymore.

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Bravo Bully! I had a feeling you were only here to pick a fight. Gloves are off! Take your best shot! NO! Never mind! This does no one any good. Let's get back to the topic at hand. Rockpuck, you seem to think that this thread is worthless and needs to go down the tubes. I'm going to put that up for a 'vote of sort' I know thaat opening it has been helpful to me. Because I have been enlightened to many things I didn't know before. I stand corrected. If my thread has offended anyone, I apologize. That was not my intention. Sorry Rockpuck, but sometimes I have a temper too, and have allowed it to stray me totally off topic.
But if it's being open can help other people learn as I did, THEN is it a BAD thing? I don't like to think that I have my head totally buried in the sand, so sometimes I need a wake up call. And although some of you were kind in your explanations to me, and some of you were tough as nails; I AM learning! Jana
PS: Rockpuck, if u wanna fight we could really let our hair down in U2U but it wouldn't be near as much fun would it?
( with out the audience I mean). :-)


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Bravo Bully!

You never did copy my personal attacks. I'm still waiting.

I had a feeling you were only here to pick a fight.

Or give my input, but people like you annoy me sometimes.

Gloves are off!

WEll! I'm shaking in my lil space boots now aren't I.

Take your best shot! NO! Never mind! This does no one any good.

Yes, rather, I think we could be friends...

Let's get back to the topic at hand. Rockpuck, you seem to think that this thread is worthless and needs to go down the tubes.

Thats actually not the topic, but no, I believe the point was said.... you either bring something new to the table or stop repeating your self and talking down other members for posting something you refer to as "the same" .. Hypocritical ignorance. Worst kind.

If my thread has offended anyone, I apologize.

I see nothing offensive.

Sorry Rockpuck, but sometimes I have a temper too, and have allowed it to stray me totally off topic.

Well, now I don't feel so lonely with a bad temper buddy!

But if it's being open can help other people learn as I did, THEN is it a BAD thing?

People read post 1-10 .. skip pages 1-6 and read the last 3 post on page 7.

Welcome to ATS.

I don't like to think that I have my head totally buried in the sand, so sometimes I need a wake up call.

Its your conduct that annoys me.

And although some of you were kind in your explanations to me, and some of you were tough as nails; I AM learning! Jana

No one cares that your "learning" people expect you to know what they know. Welcome to ATS.

PS: Rockpuck, if u wanna fight we could really let our hair down in U2U but it wouldn't be near as much fun would it?

And oh what fun that would be. If ATS where not so slow today I would not be here, so I would rather not waste my important U2U space on you, if you understand.

Anyways. Carry on. I'm out.

the crap from Darkstar about kicking the Czechs and her own brand of paranoia about foreign troops trying to take her guns away from her.

Ahem...its DarkHEART...darkheart..not star...geezz...

and isn't funny that it is always the Brits that can't have guns that call us Americans paranoid?...get over it pal, we're gun owners and I'll kick a Brit also..in the bollocks...sir...


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