So when will the fight against the Tyrant in America begin?

The Media is a huge factor in the UK, The BBC Could also control the econmany in a sense..They would tell people where to go and people would go their or want to go..

If i didn't have other people's opinions inflicted on me, i think my opinions would be very flawful. But there is a limit to what you should take in.

The media is a huge problem. For the most part its all biased. Ie BBC's and New York Time's war coverage sounded like the Four Horsemen are comming after the Liberators, when we crushed the Iraqis everyday.

The media is full of guys like this jack ass.


Miller is going to be on CNBC. Miller is a comic he is an expert on nothing. Yet now they are going to associate him with the news?
It was fine when it was on HBO. But a news network common!

It's a powerful ally also, Take WW2 for instance in Dunkirk - The Government told the Media what to say and because they had no alternative to publish, they published it.

The Evacutation was no where near what they publishised all, there wasn't a huge fleet of civilian ships they were just Navy ships.

And that brought morale up, Rather than having a depressing defeat of what it was more like, and with the truth i think the UK would have had a lesser chance of surviving the war.

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier...just as long as I'm the dictator"

George W. Bush, during his first trip to Washington as President-Elect. Washington, DC, Dec 18, 2000

And we thought he was joking !

The Media, with MURDOCH, Clear Channel, and the rest
are not the only Facet....

if your still following this thread....you may wish to scan;

*www.SubmergingMarkets.com
*www.bloodbankers.com

or follow up on a real tyrant (subjective opinion) at:

www.trialofhenrykissinger.org...
~~^~~

whatever...

the soon to be gun control lockdown is coming, the purpose of UN troops and foriegn troops is disarment during martial law. When Chinese. russian or german troops go door to door and u give up your weapons or take a bullet, you wont be armed to the teeth. Fema already has many prison camps set up. Its not if it will happen, its when...

Originally posted by Knightmare
the soon to be gun control lockdown is coming, the purpose of UN troops and foriegn troops is disarment during martial law. When Chinese. russian or german troops go door to door and u give up your weapons or take a bullet, you wont be armed to the teeth. Fema already has many prison camps set up. Its not if it will happen, its when...

ROTFLMAO

Yeah, right.

So how many Germans would be required to go door to door across the U.S.?

Look at the trouble the U.S. Army is having in Iraq. Do you really, honestly, truly believe this?

Wow, this thread has both the sublime and insightful as well the parnoid, hunker-in-the-bunker wackos apparently.

DaRage, first of all, do not believe what you see on TV about the USA. That medium protrays the US usually in it's worst light, because after all, thats what titilates people, both nationally and abroad. Do you want all Americans thinking that Australia is full of Crocodile Dundee's and Mad Max's?

2nd, you need to understand a few things about power in America. The US military is under the control of the Executive Branch of the US government. However, every man and woman who enters the military takes an oath, the very first sentance statesof which states: I do solemly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same". US military officers and enlisted are indoctrinated that while political power is transitory, the Constitution is bedrock on which this country is founded. The idea that the military would support any form of unjustified or illegal form of Marshall Law is baseless; the last time Marshall Law was declared anywhere in the US was during WWII by FDR. Prior to that, Lincoln did it during the Civil War in 1860. And even if a President were to attempt it, Congress would step in and either impeach him, or legislate against him. Any attempt to physically control or remove the power of the US Congress would be viewed as an act of sedition or open rebellion, in which case the Presidents powers would be voided by the other 2 branches of government. I can tell you from my own experience that the US military, when it came right down to it, would follow Congress in an emergency. Don't believe all these Hollywood movies about Admirals and Generals running amok under Marshall Law, dispensing justice as they see fit. Its makes for good drama, but thats about it. Our Admirals and Generals are way too busy trying to defend our nation from foreign forces to be wrapped up in politics and power. In fact, it has been my observation that senior military officers who dabble in politics (while still on active duty) are immediately branded by the public as either a lacky of the administration, or viewed as untrustworthy. The public is content to wait for these individuals to retire before letting them get involved with politics.

And BTW, other people in this thread are right. If you only had some idea of just how many armed local and state police forces there are, you would probably be astounded. Prior to 911, there were over 800,000 sworn in law enforcement officers in the US. Since 911 that number has probably passs 1 million. And thats not including the DEA, FBI, Coast Guard, Border Patrol, TSA, BATF, and God knows who else. I wouldn't want to even try to guess how many private citizens own guns (personally, I own 2 handguns and 9 rifles).

The strength of the US has always been it's steady and strong economy. What some of you are suggesting would totally obliterate that economy, which would totally invalidate the power of those people whom you seem to fear.

Oh, and BTW...

Knightmare......I can't stop stare at your avatar.......

Pryos has a good point in plain, But whats to stop them from breaking the oath?

They do have their own opinions, and their thoughts might change. (i'm not saying they shouldn't defend their own country..)

Its all about Constitution, but sometimes it just goes off, Like my countries Monarchy - The Royal Family spent our taxes and get into debt, I don't see it why do we need a Royal Family? What do they do? I admit they are very good public relations but they are a drag on our country, And hold us back.

(Many good laws decided and the House Of Lords rejects them!)


"personally, I own 2 handguns and 9 rifles"
personally, i don't think you really need a armory, Again it's silly - I said this in another thread just a few minutes ago. They are weapons of death. The Army protects you from threats if someone comes onto your land you don't need to blow their head off you, could just shoot them in the arse with a Air Rifle.

About 70% of Americans i know, Go with the Presidents entirely (I am not totally up to American Politics) Even now after Americans are being killed in Iraq. I know a Texan Girl who still supports him. At first instance when Tony Blair wanted to go to war, There was huge uproar and no one liked it - Because inncoent civilians were bound to get killed - like they have.

And you want to still carry weapons, "Death Devices" Most of the world has grown up since those roughs times (when you really did need guns - where it was fighting for land after land - extremely close to your own home) But this is now a distant war.

In Iraq in the British Quater - We don't carry heavy armor or massive guns, We have light patrols and you hardly ever hear a British Soldier being killed After the invasion.

[Edited on 16-1-2004 by ProjectIcarus]

Originally posted by Pyros
Oh, and BTW...

Knightmare......I can't stop stare at your avatar.......

:me either

i don't care how many guns you got, you can control people with food for instance. how many people in the large city's will go hungry or comply? rural people will have it easier for awhile, but people in the city's are screwed. i personally don't think the marshall law thing will happen because of a terrorist attack, it's more likely to happen when the dollar collapses...and it will, and people will flip out, thus a need to control them will arise...aka marshall law

??? UN troops, after we send all our guys overseas--, and what would it take to instill martial law? small nuclear attack, NYC again..

And constitution? hmm they are changing that slowly but surely, + under martial law, there is no constitution, only martial law. Look up the rules under martial law..

[Edited on 16-1-2004 by Knightmare]

Originally posted by Taxman
Who would police the police state? The military for the most part wont nor will the Federal agents or the PDs of Ameica? They are all too Freedom loving and most Americans will fight to end a police state.

Thats right, the military is'nt stupid, its verry obvious that even the soldiers, well most of them at least will revolt as well. The reason why a lot of them joined up in the first place was to defend their country, their citizens and their rights!

Originally posted by DaRAGE

Originally posted by intelgurl

Originally posted by DaRAGE
But i think the people of America are too brainwashed, stupid, ignorant, and ...fat...hehe...to do anything about it.

Well, since I'm an American and therefore a total dumbass I guess I have nothing further to post on this thread.
Regards~

IntelGurl: I'm talking about the majority.

well yea, you know the majority of americans very well huh? what an arrogant and ignorant assumption, you just state such to justify your paranoid view, just because you think something, doesnt make it correct. dont insult others just because you feel paranoid or whatever.

Originally posted by namehere

Originally posted by DaRAGE

Originally posted by intelgurl

Originally posted by DaRAGE
But i think the people of America are too brainwashed, stupid, ignorant, and ...fat...hehe...to do anything about it.

Well, since I'm an American and therefore a total dumbass I guess I have nothing further to post on this thread.
Regards~

IntelGurl: I'm talking about the majority.

well yea, you know the majority of americans very well huh? what an arrogant and ignorant assumption, you just state such to justify your paranoid view, just because you think something, doesnt make it correct. dont insult others just because you feel paranoid or whatever.

Have you seen Jerry Springer? Have you seen some of the lawsuits made in the US? A packet of salt that says "May contain Salt" on it? All the surveys done in America about things going on in the world. Even naming the States of America they still dont know. On Surveys performed in America on current news events, such as things like 70% of Americans thought that Osama Bin Laden has been caught, something like 50% thought Saddam had been captured (before he was captured), I could name more. But from all the surveys i've seen...the majority of Americans are pretty damn stupid/uninformed. BTw...When surveys are performed it involves everyone surveyed. From the results...I feel sorry for you "dumb" Americans.

No offense intended. Go and be patriotic all you want. But Surveys show the truth of what the majority of Americans know and think.

Also...I'm not paranoid. This is a conspiracy forum. I dont see how I am paranoid from reading the results of surveys performed in America that show what the Majority of Americans think.

[Edited on 16-1-2004 by DaRAGE]

Originally posted by DaRAGE
Yes....You heard me.

America only needs one more planned terrorist attack...major one at that....to go into Martial Law.

Then all your constitutions which are being slowly taken away from you, and you still do nothing, will all be taken away from you, and you will be able to do nothing.

America will turn into a Police State as when Hitler siezed power.

The Allies during world war 2 were fighting against Tyranny (is that how u spell it?). Hwell i just finished watching Saving Private Ryan and how they are ridding the world of Tyranny.

Well sorry to say it America....But very soon, Tyranny is going to be showing up right in your home.

Will the rest of the world have to fight against America in the future to rid the World of it's Tyranny?

Does the rest of the world have a chance?

Was Hitler following orders from someone above him? People above him? Creating a super power inthe middle of Europe and then seizing control of Europe, only to be stopped and destroyed. Was Germany not strong enough back then?

Have these same sort of people, same sort of groups, with the same direction, controlling the leaders of America. Controlling how thigns are to be done. Does America have a much better chance of success now that it is the only Superpower left in the world?

Will America achieve the dreams of these power elite?

QUIT YER BITCHIN'. GET OFF YOUR ASS AND START A REVOLUTION THEN!

Action is required, Discussion only gets you so far.

that's why america is screwed...too many talkers

Same here, there is always someone in the place of power who doesn't like a new idea.