China's Tallest Building Catches Fire, Does Not Collapse

Originally posted by Boone 870
Here you go Gorman91. This Google video shows the columns being pulled in before for the building starts to fall.

hmmm, sorta kinda looks like their imploading. I guess I should point out this is at the sky view where the floor was a little higher, therfore giving it the needed thrush downwards to continue going down. Nice find.

Originally posted by ANOK
Construction steel begins melting at 1130°C (2066°F), and is completely molten upon reaching 1315°C (2400°F).
Gasolines max burn temperature is 945°C (1500°F).

I suck at math (lol, but I'm still an architect) but I think that means that the fire was at 50-70% the melting point which to me, sounds like enough for a weight imbalancment to take effect, such as missing an entire section of outside support on the strongest section (the sky view area). Just my 2 cents.

To all the shills who post on behalf of their elite masters. lets start at the beginning of the govt conspiracy theory and see how ridiculous it is. An Arab in a cave in Afghan, last reprted by CIA to be dying of kidney failure in a Mid East hospital, goes into a cave in Afghan, and with his laptop shuts down the half trillion dollar US air defenses, so that his incompetents wont be intercepted on their mission. One of these boys, with 600 hours in his log book could not solo a Cessna 172, yet, after boarding aircraft without being on the pax list, without tickets, (CNN) without being caught on boarding cctv, and after overpowering burly American pilots with boxcutters, they then proceeded to fly like super topguns. They find the secret air corridor between US and Canada which has no radar cover from FAA and Norad, then hit buildings after high speed full power descents, without having practiced that close-to-impossible manouevre a dozen times on a simulator. They vapourise planes at many 1000 deg C, yet the govt gets the penta DNA of all aboard, when DNA is destroyed at 100 deg C. BBC reports half still alive after the antics. Immortal psychics, these guys. Examie the other few hundred impossibilities, the gagging of FAA, destruction of FAA evidnce etc ad nauseum, then you elite shills, just keep telling us,... but building 7 was hit by debris. Yeah. It was, so it free fell, right.

[edit on 19-8-2007 by ThomasT]

Originally posted by ThomasT
but building 7 was hit by debris. Yeah. It was, so it free fell, right.

[edit on 19-8-2007 by ThomasT]

No, it took almost 13 seconds to fall after having a chun of it blown out. The little bugger stood in pretty good. But does a thousand year organization of free masons taking over the world when it's at its strongest and taking over the weakest gov (the US) to do its bidding make much sens either?

Why do think all us who question this believe in the NWO stuff? I don't. BTW, I liked how you phrased it, "blown".

Gorman91, according to David Icke, in The Truth Shall Set You Free, the elite go back to Babylonian times, but.. they in turn are manipulated. Google Alex Collier, ufo conspiracy, to see who are the keepers of the elite. Any sarcastic commentators go to theyfly.com, and chew on that one.



[edit on 19-8-2007 by ThomasT]

Its easy, China has no insiders.

Make building go boom.

Or explode all over downtown China.

Do you think the next tall building owner is scared.

Are the tower markets collapsing with the mortgage crunch.

Well China never had any Nazis if thats the reason.

Oops another CT raises its ugly head.

Originally posted by Gorman91
I suck at math (lol, but I'm still an architect) but I think that means that the fire was at 50-70% the melting point which to me, sounds like enough for a weight imbalancment to take effect

The curve isn't linear, so you can't throw around percentages like that and be accurate.



At 600 C, half its yield strength is lost. But at 400 C, there's practically no strength loss, and in any redundant structure, you're perfectly safe indefinitely. Remember that even the government's best effort of a study admits and gives evidence for the fact that there was not enough heat or time for the columns themselves to be significantly weakened.

Steel loses half its strength when heated to ~600 C. A hydrocarbon fire's flame may typically burn around 700 C. That means the flame has to make the steel almost the same temperature as itself, by transferring heat very slowly, just for a piece of steel to lose half its yield strength. Redundant structures can usually lose at least half their strength before failure. Steel is a wonderful conductor of heat and the structures of the buildings would have acted exactly as heat sinks for themselves.

Look at the situations in Iran and Afghanistan. Now tell me, are the same people who allegedly came up with the destruction of the Twin Towers and Bldg. 7 still influencing direct action by the USA?

We had to have had people who coordinated everything, recruit suicide bombers of Arabic descent, manufacture their legends as Al Quaida, teach them how to fly Boeing 727s, place explosive charges in the Twin Towers and Bldg. 7 while tens of thpusands of employees in the buildings went about their business, work around janitors, maintenance, and security (a bomb went off before in the basement a few years back), convince the suicide jihadists to hijack, then slam the 727s into the Twin Towers and coordinate the blast of twin Twin Towers and Bldg. 7, AND NOT LEAVE A SINGLE BIT OF TRACE as to their Republican nature.

These are very sharp people. Now, why are they leading George Bush down this quagmire of war. Why haven't these brilliantly devious Republicans not pulled another spectacular stunt like have black helicopters, flying with UFO cover, conduct a black flag op and take out all jihadists so that fossil fuel supply is guaranteed without counter insurgency war?

It's not that I don't think there is a NWO, it just seems to be a miserable failure at life if they were so brilliant at 9/11. I think they would have a one world government after thousands of years of trying. It reminds me of the stupid and retarded show pokemon were the dumb rocket guys who are evil always fail yet think they are good at succeeding.

Looking at the world, if they didn''t take it over in all its low points, why did they try during the world's high point?

And about all that ufo and stuff the guy above said, I figure it this way:

If you look at our world, and all its hatred and war and such, I think in order to be so advanced as to go to other solar systems, they would have world peace on their own world and become peacfull by now. Becasue then they would be too busy fighting their own wars then to be bothered with us.


Basically if this NWO hasn't made a united world government in the last thousand years, then I think they never will. Face it people, if there is a NWO, they failed miserably. We're stuck in an enless war in Iraq, collapsing inside our nation, and hated throughout the world. We're further now from a world government then ever before, second to the collapse of Rome.

I will fght side by side my fellow American when a revolution begins, but for now I'd rather gain up money so I can aid in funding such a revolution.

Why no mention on this thread the work of the physicist who detected physical thermite residues, thermite smoke and shows pix of the way the main structure was cut, No mention from Gorman91 of the molten steel in the basement for weeks, no mention from him of the thousands of tons of steel reduced to microspheres, 3000deg C? of the concrete, humans and computors pulverised, mini nuke like in Bali??. I know you haver to earn a liing G91, but you come over pretty weak here with your counter arguments, and you you show you are not listening to anybody. Anyways, not being an architect but a retd airliner trainig captain, Ill stick with the impossible aviation stuff. An aluminiun tube slicing thru a reinforced steel tower, wow, what was I flying?

Originally posted by ThomasT
Why no mention on this thread the work of the physicist who detected physical thermite residues, thermite smoke and shows pix of the way the main structure was cut, No mention from Gorman91 of the molten steel in the basement for weeks, no mention from him of the thousands of tons of steel reduced to microspheres, 3000deg C? of the concrete, humans and computors pulverised, mini nuke like in Bali??....... a retd airliner trainig captain, Ill stick with the impossible aviation stuff. An aluminiun tube slicing thru a reinforced steel tower, wow, what was I flying?

So? As a retired pilot, what does all that prove? That there was something else besides 2 aluminmum jets colliding into giant buildings? Your point is that it has to be the US government because there is physical termite residue.......... and Bali?

How many floors were on fire in the china building?
How many floors were on fire in wtc 7?

How old is each building?
What were the structural ratings of each building?
What was the approx fire temp of each building?

You're comparing APPLES and HORSES here. Thats like saying because one car did well in a crash test, all cars should do well in a crash test.

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by PriapismJoe
Where in the world did you hear that nonsense? It was structural steel wrapped in concrete, there is no way it was usable after the collapse.

Dude I live in the Bay Area. The San Francisco Chronicle were the idiots who said the bridge melted in their first sensationalized report. After they were questioned about the 'melting' all references to the word melt were dropped from their reports.

There is an article that I can't find right now where a maintenance supervisor said they were re-using the steel in the repair of the bridge.

Gasoline fires will not melt steel. Especially when wrapped in concrete.

Construction steel begins melting at 1130°C (2066°F), and is completely molten upon reaching 1315°C (2400°F).
Gasolines max burn temperature is 945°C (1500°F).

Nobody said it "melted", it failed structurally. And no, they did not reuse the steel.

jaehkimx wrote,

Look at the situations in Iran and Afghanistan. Now tell me, are the same people who allegedly came up with the destruction of the Twin Towers and Bldg. 7 still influencing direct action by the USA?

We had to have had people who coordinated everything, recruit suicide bombers of Arabic descent, manufacture their legends as Al Quaida, teach them how to fly Boeing 727s, place explosive charges in the Twin Towers and Bldg. 7 while tens of thpusands of employees in the buildings went about their business, work around janitors, maintenance, and security (a bomb went off before in the basement a few years back), convince the suicide jihadists to hijack, then slam the 727s into the Twin Towers and coordinate the blast of twin Twin Towers and Bldg. 7, AND NOT LEAVE A SINGLE BIT OF TRACE as to their Republican nature.

These are very sharp people. Now, why are they leading George Bush down this quagmire of war. Why haven't these brilliantly devious Republicans not pulled another spectacular stunt like have black helicopters, flying with UFO cover, conduct a black flag op and take out all jihadists so that fossil fuel supply is guaranteed without counter insurgency war?

Wow, that makes perfect sense !!!! It's a reasonable, logical argument.

Here are some absurd responses to expect.
1. Well there is a shadow government which operates behind the scenes and there is absolutely no proof of this but since you don't agree with me, I have to make up something that is unprovable so I can still be right.
2. Those in our government have a deep seated plan that we can never hope to prove or comprehend so once again, I am making up something that is unprovable so I can still be right.
etc.
etc.
etc.

War in Afghanistan was caused by the pipeline negotiations as
pointed out by Michael Moore's 911 film.

Why negotiate when you can take it all.

War in Iraq got impetus from the hoodwinking in the UN Money Programs.
Take our money and be dishonest, no way.

Its like don't fool with mother nature and those in charge here are the
nature boys.

Originally posted by ThomasT
Why no mention on this thread the work of the physicist who detected physical thermite residues, thermite smoke and shows pix of the way the main structure was cut, No mention from Gorman91 of the molten steel in the basement for weeks, no mention from him of the thousands of tons of steel reduced to microspheres, 3000deg C? of the concrete, humans and computors pulverised, mini nuke like in Bali??. I know you haver to earn a liing G91, but you come over pretty weak here with your counter arguments, and you you show you are not listening to anybody. Anyways, not being an architect but a retd airliner trainig captain, Ill stick with the impossible aviation stuff. An aluminiun tube slicing thru a reinforced steel tower, wow, what was I flying?

If I understood your bad english (bali? like what a horse eats???), That makes no sense. Unless there was a volcano under the building it is impossible men could remain above the destroyed structure while molten steel was there, and in just regular rescue uniforms? HA! And a nuke? where was the sound wave? Why were no other buildings destroyed near by except a few broken windows. If a nuke went off then:
A) ALL buildings within a quarter mile radius (mini nuke) would have NO windows.

B) All people in the realitive area would be poisined. Not like the way they were from the dust, I mean dead in a week poisined.

C) Radiation?

D) the hudsen river would have zero life left in it from radiation poisining

E) planes in the realitive area would have been driven down from the EMP (which they wre not)

F) ALL electronics would be killed from the EMP

G) flash of light?

you are, as they say, dead wrong.

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[edit on 20-8-2007 by Gorman91]

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
War in Afghanistan was caused by the pipeline negotiations as
pointed out by Michael Moore's 911 film.

Why negotiate when you can take it all.

War in Iraq got impetus from the hoodwinking in the UN Money Programs.
Take our money and be dishonest, no way.

Its like don't fool with mother nature and those in charge here are the
nature boys.

Iraq war = failure at life

Afganastan = Bigger failure at life

War on terror?
Where is Osama?
Where are our corperations in iraq?
Where is the money from oil?
Where is any sign of victory?

Answer?
Dead as a door nail, never going to happen. WE FAILED.

Stop pointing out things that will never happen becasue they simply failed.

Gorman, all your generalizations are unsupported. You haven't even asked what particular nuclear reaction would be utilized or even for an estimate as to the amount of energy released, and you're already giving us absolutes about what would happen. Have you considered, you don't know what you're talking about? I doubt you have.


"Bali" is a reference to the Bali bombing. Most of us are probably Americans and have no idea what ThomasT is saying. No, it's not what horses eat. You're probably thinking of "bale", like "bale of hay".

[edit on 20-8-2007 by bsbray11]

Originally posted by PriapismJoe
Nobody said it "melted", it failed structurally. And no, they did not reuse the steel.

Bull, you know the bridge argument all along was the claim that the steel melted. Other wise what the hell has it got to do with 9-11?

And yes they did re-use the steel...

AN FRANCISCO (Map, News) - The portion of the East Bay freeway charred in an explosion three days ago will likely be repaired rather than demolished and replaced, significantly shortening the time the heavily used road remains closed, state transit officials said Tuesday...
...“It doesn’t look right now like we’re going to have to replace it,”Caltrans spokesman Bob Haus said. “We might have to do some straightening, but it looks as if the actual structure is OK despite the scorching.”