Iranian Unit to Be Labeled 'Terrorist'

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
To designate a nations defense forces as being a terroristic entity is very, very dangerous.

When a nations "defense force" is in another nation supplying weapons and expertise that are killing Coalition forces, ie shaped charge IEDs and Rockets, then they cease becoming a national "defense" force and officially go on the offense.

It is becoming clearer to the Military on the ground that Iranian arms and some training personnel are coming into Iraq and Afghanistan supplied by the "Quds" arm of Iran's Revolutionary Guards with or without Iran's full governmental backing. If Iran can't control their own armed forces, then they will eventually suffer from that lack of control.

As you often imply Agit, Having a renegade branch of the government or military doing things without the backing or knowledge of the whole government is a very bad idea. That being said, is the Quds force of the Revolutionary Guards doing just that? Who should be tasked with bringing them back in line? If they are not out of line, then that implies Iranian govermental backing of their actions. Either way it's bad.

Basically, America has drawn a line in the sand, it is up to Iran to not cross it in the future.

Originally posted by infinite
I wouldn't be totally surprised if Iran was calling bluff over a nuclear weapons program in order to get an American response.

I've actually thought about this for awhile. I know that both the U.S and Iran want to go at it but for Iran to instigate right now? It's perfect for them, to be honest. Iran DOES have the capability to fight the U.S back to some extent and the Iranians know (even if they initiate the first attack) that they will garner major support from other countries. Allies to the U.S will again stay out of it but this time it's merely because of the very high-risk chance of initiating World War III.

It can get messy real fast, hopefully, it won't.

Originally posted by BigJoeNYC
Flyer…you just answered your own question. In the few isolated cases they have been CONVICTED. We held them accountable. Your upset about it. Your not upset about the way they treat our soldiers. They have never been convicted of mistreating there prisoners because they condone it. There are many cases, but when it involves them doing something to us people like you always want a smoking gun to prove it. When the shoes on the other foot it only takes a rumor with no facts to back it up.

The Iranians have never been convicted of mistreating anyone because they never did it, that was the Iraqis.

Do you know the difference between the countries or do you just want to lump them all in together?

As for the convictions, for every one person convicted, many, many more go free and of course theres also the abuse encouraged by the military.

Flyer don’t twist my words, I was simply replying to your statement about American troops in Iraq. You obviously condemn our troops. Do you condemn the terrorists for day after day blowing us there own people in markets, schools, hospitals, and shops??? Those terrorists are not being convicted or at the very least condemned by there own people.

US kicks Iran, demands lunch money!

Looks like with the general population wanting out of Iraq, the puppet masters want to give us a new enemy to direct our hate towards... and as a result, reap the profits of a sustainable war which they have no intention in us winning. Sound familiar? *cough* Vietnam.

Terrorism is the perfect enemy. It never goes away, is used to keep the general populace in fear, and with the help of the media, liberties are taken away for the purpose of security. Create a problem, create a solution. All just to make some more money and keep their stupid war games going. It's like a big playground to them, and us bottom-feeders are a dime a dozen.

The iranian government are all terrorists.They freely sponsor avowed terrorist groups.The iranian guards are their domestic strong-arm group.Whats the mystery?Also if economic pressure can be brought to bear on them and those doing buisness with these thugs so much the better.

Originally posted by pavil
When a nations "defense force" is in another nation supplying weapons and expertise that are killing Coalition forces, ie shaped charge IEDs and Rockets, then they cease becoming a national "defense" force and officially go on the offense.

The CIA supplied the weapons in Afghanistan to kill russian troops.

The CIA gave sadam hussein chemical agents.


does that also now mean the CIA is a terrorist organisation?

by your own defination - yes they are.

Originally posted by BigJoeNYC
Flyer don’t twist my words, I was simply replying to your statement about American troops in Iraq. You obviously condemn our troops. Do you condemn the terrorists for day after day blowing us there own people in markets, schools, hospitals, and shops??? Those terrorists are not being convicted or at the very least condemned by there own people.

Yes I do condemn them but they arent part of a countries legal defence force. The Iranian troops have every right to defend their own country.

Declaring an Army as terrorists is insane, especially when it will only lead to much more mistreatment of your own troops.

How would you like the Chinese to invade the US and declare marines terrorists so they could torture them and mistreat them at will? Thats exactly what the US is doing to Iran.

Originally posted by Xfile
The iranian government are all terrorists.They freely sponsor avowed terrorist groups.The iranian guards are their domestic strong-arm group.Whats the mystery?Also if economic pressure can be brought to bear on them and those doing buisness with these thugs so much the better.

Same is true for the US government, dont forget they funded and supported Bin Laden in Afghanistan against the USSR when it suited them and of course theyve done it all over the world.

Originally posted by Flyer

Originally posted by Xfile
The iranian government are all terrorists.They freely sponsor avowed terrorist groups.The iranian guards are their domestic strong-arm group.Whats the mystery?Also if economic pressure can be brought to bear on them and those doing buisness with these thugs so much the better.

Same is true for the US government, dont forget they funded and supported Bin Laden in Afghanistan against the USSR when it suited them and of course theyve done it all over the world.

Of course we aided bin laden and others at the time...To hasten the russian withdrawal from afgan.But no one can say that the US profited from helping and in fact had our supposed allies(bin laden)turn on us for aiding them!

Erm, does this all sound a bit odd, especially when considering America's history of getting involved with and supplying terrorists with weapons?

Just seems a bit pathetic really and smacks of desperation. I rather doubt that the US is going to add any other nations forces to the "terrorist" list on the basis of suspicion alone.

Why on earth the US is trying to antagonise Iran further is beyond me. Are they determined to get involved in yet another conflict...... they can't even cope with "occupation" how're they expecting to fare in a nation the size of the UK, France, Spain and Germany combined? Over half of it's surface is covered with mountains and the coalition can't keep control in the relatively flat Iraq.

Yet again the US administration are looking like fools.

Flyer, my point is there own people don’t even condemn them. Lets get this straight we are declaring the Revolutionary Guard as terrorists not the army. That’s like declaring Iran as a whole terrorists when its mostly the government and the people in control. Everyone for the most part knows this to be true why not declare it and hurt them with it.

As for our Leathernecks they are not secretly on the ground in China staging attacks against military, government an civilian sites.

Originally posted by BigJoeNYC
Flyer, my point is there own people don’t even condemn them. Lets get this straight we are declaring the Revolutionary Guard as terrorists not the army. That’s like declaring Iran as a whole terrorists when its mostly the government and the people in control. Everyone for the most part knows this to be true why not declare it and hurt them with it.

As for our Leathernecks they are not secretly on the ground in China staging attacks against military, government an civilian sites.

So are you prepared to condemn your own government for being terrorists or are you going to be a hypocrite? Wheres the proof the Revolutionary Guard are terrorists?

This is a lame attempt to "legalise" torture and mistreatment. Will you be ok when Iran does the same thing to US troops?

79The point i was trying to make in the afgan.model was that at THAT point bin laden etal.were functioning as freedom fighters NOT terrorists in opposing the russian invasion.As i recall a government was voted in that was not approved by the kremlin(79?)and in went the tanks.As for trying to subvert countries that had fallen under communist influence in this hemisphere during the dangerous cold war again...freedom fighter or terrorist?If the US revolution had failed washinton,franklin and all would have been called terrorists today,no?

Flyer, my government the USA are not terrorists. I will not condemn them for protecting us. Here are some articles for your to read about the Revolutionary Guard.

I like this one..
www.washingtonpost.com...

From the man himself…
www.iranfocus.com...

www.breitbart.com...

To answer your last question I already expect them to torture our boys if captured. That seems to be the trend with them.

IMO the designation was never intended, and will never be put in place.

This news report should be exibit "A" on how to get an unwilling press to exert political pressure for you, in 1 easy step.

This is just a tactic to raise international awareness, gain support against, and put pressure on Iran to stop supporting guerilla warfare tactics in Iraq. With a bonus of getting your enemy to focus more on protecting his assets (defensive) rather than focusing on attack plans (offensive).

All these wonderful side effects simply by 1 phone call "leak" to the press.

Originally posted by BigJoeNYC
Flyer, my government the USA are not terrorists. I will not condemn them for protecting us. Here are some articles for your to read about the Revolutionary Guard.

I like this one..
www.washingtonpost.com...

From the man himself…
www.iranfocus.com...

www.breitbart.com...

To answer your last question I already expect them to torture our boys if captured. That seems to be the trend with them.

Seems to be a trend with the US too.

So you are a hypocrite then, I dont see how arming terrorists to fight the USSR was protecting you or the US.

So there will be no whining from you when they are mistreated then and youll say its perfectly fine, they will be just protecting fellow Iranians.

As for the links, "in modern sense[1] is used to describe violence or other harmful acts committed (or threatened) against civilians for political or other ideological goals."

They are not terrorists if they are committing acts against an invading force.

Flyer…you continue to twist my words with other peoples. I was not talking about the USSR. If your on the terrorist side that’s fine. I cant have this conversation any longer. If you believe that the US are terrorist so be it I will not try to change your mind.

Originally posted by BigJoeNYC
Flyer…you continue to twist my words with other peoples. I was not talking about the USSR. If your on the terrorist side that’s fine. I cant have this conversation any longer. If you believe that the US are terrorist so be it I will not try to change your mind.

Ok

US trains and supplies people to attack Russians who invaded Afghanistan but the US aren't terrorists.

Iran trains and supplies people to attack Americans who invaded Iraq and the Iranians are terrorists.

Can you really not see how retarded your point of view is?

Either both are terrorists or neither are, if you say one is and one isn't then you're a hypocrite and your opinion is worthless.

Flyer…We went into Iraq under different circumstances than when the USSR went into Afghanistan. We backed them to support our interests in the region. The offensive there was against the Russian military and not the people. Russia was subsequently forced out the good guys won but than the government (Taliban) lost there minds. What interest does Iran have in Iraq???? Aside from killing Innocent people, starting a new war so they can further there cause too destroy Israel and the west? They are terrorists. We are not.