teacher punches student in the face!!!

LOL @ This Thread!



[Edited on 18-1-2004 by Lysergic]

Originally posted by groingrinder
When I was in second and third grade I went to Catholic school. This was in the early sixties. One day the nun decided to inspect our desks. When she got to mine she went ballistic and slapped me out of my desk and I landed on the floor. She picked the desk up and holding it over me shook all my stuff out, all the time yelling at me and telling me I was a little pig and I did not deserve a desk. She banished me to the back of the room and made me keep my stuff in neat piles on the floor around my chair. I stayed there for a month before she let me have another desk. Boy did I feel like #, but it sure made a lively day for the other students.

I went to Catholic school for a while too, which explains why I don't concider myself a catholic any longer. Those (get)nuns were bitchez. Sub-human, sexually frustrated, needing to shave the hairy mole on her upper lip, mean, mean, woman.
After watching the nun rip a girls earing out (in anger, but by accident) because it was too long, I decided that I didn't believe people like this represented god. These women were the farthest thing from god (some anyway). There were other situations like the one you spoke of and they seemed to happen frequently.
Many parents would not do anything about it. They believed that, if it's a nun doing it then there must be a good reason, nuns can't do wrong, bla, bla, bla.


Hey Russian! guess what? He conceded already, where ya been?
Drugs have nothing to do with this man. Noone said anywhere, they were letting their kid smoke pot. I smoke pot and DON'T share it with my kids. Noone said they share it with their kids. That is just lame ammunition for someone that has no point to make about the CURRENT TOPIC!

Originally posted by dunkleskates

Originally posted by Russian


P.S. I hope the pot will kill your sperm.

Out,
Russian

i know plenty of intelligent people who smoke pot, and it is terribly ignorant to say my use of a safe drug affects my intelligence.They sound intelligent to you cause you are one of them.

i'll "keep smoking my pot", and you keep beating your kids.I dont beat my kids cause I have none.

your parents must have hit you an awful lot to make you such a good person

You dont have to beat kids hard to make them understand. Also if you beat kids from anger then it will not help.

Out,
Russian

Originally posted by Russian

Originally posted by dunkleskates

Originally posted by Russian


P.S. I hope the pot will kill your sperm.

Out,
Russian

i know plenty of intelligent people who smoke pot, and it is terribly ignorant to say my use of a safe drug affects my intelligence.They sound intelligent to you cause you are one of them.

i'll "keep smoking my pot", and you keep beating your kids.I dont beat my kids cause I have none.

your parents must have hit you an awful lot to make you such a good person

You dont have to beat kids hard to make them understand. Also if you beat kids from anger then it will not help.

Out,
Russian

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im sure a 4 point drop in my iq is making my posts sound stupid. blows to the head (like the ones your wonderful parents must have given you for you to turn out to be such a good person) kill braincells and probably have a worse effect on intelligence than smoking pot.

Originally posted by maynardsthirdeye
If a teacher would do that to my kid, I would have so much fun taking him to court and suing him for everything he's got. No way in hell I would thank him.

Is that how you teach your kids to do bad things and how to get away with them? Are you teaching your kids to be lawyers or bank robbers or something? I remember disrespecting my grandma when I was young, and boy oh boy did I get the greatest A$$whooping of all time, it put Rodney Kings video on Americas Funniest. Now I love her ever so more, and now that I look back at it I am glad for it.


[edit on 25-7-2004 by TACHYON]

[edit on 25-7-2004 by TACHYON]

in my school a student might be punched in the face because our projectors are very expensive(brand new at my school-Evergreen Valley High School). I would say that the projectors alone cost $3000 and replacement bulbs cost around $200-$300 each, and with 100+ classrooms that is a lot of money, which my school doesnt have anymore

Well, maybe if the parents took responsibility for their little brat/terror, that would not have had to happen. It never fils to amaze me how most people expect schools to be babbysitters and teach their child disapline-the parents should have done this before that child was in school.

Originally posted by Ocelot

Originally posted by baked
Lesson learned:
Welcome to the real world kid, if yer parents wont teach you, someone will.

You're damm right.

Hear, hear!! Just the other day some punk was throwing rocks at my dog and cat in my yard. Couldn't have been older than 14 or 15. When I went out to tell him to stop he called me a fat bastard before one word got out of my mouth. This resulted in a cussing match between us with him walking away and flipping me off. Now my pellet rifle is loaded and waiting for his return.

LOL

I know a lot of kids who were very annoying in my classes, i felt like hitting them so many times. I even know a teacher who put his hand around a students throat in my electronics class, the kid derserved.

Originally posted by groingrinder



Hear, hear!! Just the other day some punk was throwing rocks at my dog and cat in my yard. Couldn't have been older than 14 or 15. When I went out to tell him to stop he called me a fat bastard before one word got out of my mouth. This resulted in a cussing match between us with him walking away and flipping me off. Now my pellet rifle is loaded and waiting for his return.

Video tape him doing this, then turn off the camera and light him up with a paintball gun, right to the forehead. He won't even see it comming. When he comes back with his old man give him a copy of the tape. If he is one of those "my kid cant do no wrong" types, light him up too.

My mother would have saved you the trouble and whooped my ass her self, probably right infront of you.

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I couldn't pull up the original link because the site said it has to dump AP culled articles after two weeks, so found it several other places.

I didn't see anything indicating that the student was a habitual troublemaker or was particularly threatening to the teacher. Didn't say how he approached the teacher, what manner he was displaying. Didn't say if the teacher has a history of violence or disciplinary troubles. Basically there seems to be a lot of support for this teacher's action with no information about either him or the student.

I think it's a shame that young people today are acting so badly on the whole that this child is not given the benefit of the doubt. He was goofing off and acting badly, but not doing anything harmful or damaging. I've experienced both: in private Lutheran school there was corporal punishment and after a few tastes of it, along with the home situation, I stayed in line. In public school, nobody was punched by the teacher, they were simply removed. Act up once, get warned. Act up again and go to the principal's office or get detention AND go to the principal's office. I can understand the frustration, but again, we know nothing either about the teacher or the student.

The violence in schools is out of control. At least here where I live. There's a particular highschool in D.C. that was in the news every single DAY for awhile with shootings. Kids are being shot and killed out in the streets. Both on purpose and by accident. A 14 year old girl was shot to death because she might have seen a drug related killing. If the teachers join in and the cops are already on the edge, it becomes a brawl. Someone has to be in control of their emotions, and it has to be the adults who are hired and paid to not only educate, but supervise these kids. If you have the capability of snapping to the point where you punch a student in the face, you should consider a career change because it's not a healthy situation for either the teacher or the kids.

Originally posted by torque
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The violence in schools is out of control. At least here where I live. There's a particular highschool in D.C. that was in the news every single DAY for awhile with shootings. Kids are being shot and killed out in the streets. Both on purpose and by accident. A 14 year old girl was shot to death because she might have seen a drug related killing. If the teachers join in and the cops are already on the edge, it becomes a brawl. Someone has to be in control of their emotions, and it has to be the adults who are hired and paid to not only educate, but supervise these kids. If you have the capability of snapping to the point where you punch a student in the face, you should consider a career change because it's not a healthy situation for either the teacher or the kids.

You are talking about Ballou high school. Yeah what a dump! Then again this is the case with most the public schools in DC like Anacostia. They cant even find a superintendant to clean up the mess that DC let happen. This is what happens when DC tries to run it's self. What can you expect from a city of people that re-elected a proven crackhead and whore monger back to office(Marion Barry). How long was it the murder capital of the country? The thing that gets me is, this is COMMON in DC. It is on the news for a day or two then dissappears.

Mayor Anthony Williams recently referred to the school system as a "slow-moving train wreck."

Police have gone to schools numerous times to break up fights, some between rival gangs. School patrols have been boosted, but violence persists.

Devin Fowlkes, 16, a promising student and football player at Anacostia High School, was shot and killed outside his school on Oct. 30. A 15-year-old girl was wounded. Police do not believe either was the intended target. A 15-year-old boy has been charged with first-degree murder.

www.boston.com...

How come Mike Moore has not made any films on this?
Do a search on DC crime and you will see most of the crimes commited at the DC Schools are by young children. Their parents only care when it's their child that gets killed. They always have someone else to blame too. If the school that mine go to was like this, I would either home school or move the hell out to somewhere where this does not happen. There are still school districts that have very little problem with violence.

What decent teacher wants to endanger their lives by teaching at one of these schools? Ones that cant get jobs anywhere else. The bottom of the bucket teachers. Not all, but a good majority.

the 12 year old should have punched the teacher back and then if his father hit him at home he should have punched his father too... i DO believe in self defense for teachers, but not in a class system with kids as piss-ons and adults allowed to indulge their sadistic lusts.

teachers [being human] will routinely pick on kids who are submissive and will take crap from kids who are not...if two kids are acting up, who is the teacher going to hit, the defenseless "little turd" or the one who's been taking tae kwon do since they were six?

i think you should check out some of the photos on www.nospank.net ... if you're a right-winger you'll probably feel all happy and a-glow inside....but if you are a liberal, you might be shocked at what still goes on in right-wing school districts.

Originally posted by victor was right
the 12 year old should have punched the teacher back and then if his father hit him at home he should have punched his father too... i DO believe in self defense for teachers, but not in a class system with kids as piss-ons and adults allowed to indulge their sadistic lusts.

teachers [being human] will routinely pick on kids who are submissive and will take crap from kids who are not...if two kids are acting up, who is the teacher going to hit, the defenseless "little turd" or the one who's been taking tae kwon do since they were six?

i think you should check out some of the photos on www.nospank.net ... if you're a right-winger you'll probably feel all happy and a-glow inside....but if you are a liberal, you might be shocked at what still goes on in right-wing school districts.

Well, DC schools are liberal. Look whats happend.
BTW........
How often do the submissive students cause problems?
And, the one who took Tae Kwan Do, probably knows some disiplin and self controll. The ones you are referring to are the school thugs.
Besides, teachers are assulted by students more often than students are by teachers. Maybe this incident didn't warrent a punch from the teacher, but there is a time for everything.

Some kids think that their age is something they can hide behind to avoid just punishment. "Oh im under 18 so I can do whatever I want and they cant touch me". One day the shoe will be on the other foot and kids will push your buttons and hide behind the fact that you cant touch them. You will most definatly sing a different tune then.

Originally posted by groingrinder

Originally posted by Ocelot

Originally posted by baked
Lesson learned:
Welcome to the real world kid, if yer parents wont teach you, someone will.

You're damm right.

Hear, hear!! Just the other day some punk was throwing rocks at my dog and cat in my yard. Couldn't have been older than 14 or 15. When I went out to tell him to stop he called me a fat bastard before one word got out of my mouth. This resulted in a cussing match between us with him walking away and flipping me off. Now my pellet rifle is loaded and waiting for his return.

Put that away, get out your 12 guage and fire a few warning rounds and switch back to the pellet and then pop him. That way he will think he was being popped by the 12 guage. Heck, buy a doberman and let him loose on him.

I agree baked, a lot of kids hide behind the "Im 18 excuse." I say the Versace leather belt that is at least 2 inches wide come off, and puts them in their place. Rat bastards.

Even if the kid deserved it (and i'm sure the teacher felt he did), the teacher had no right to do what he did. So if someone cuts me off in traffic and almost puts me in a ditch I have a right to chase him down and punch him out?? Remember two wrongs do not make a right.

I finally had time to read all the way through this thread, and ill try to respond to as many points as possible.

First, my opinion. The kid most likely deserved it. The man is 63, no way for him to defend himself if the student got in the first throw. The student approched him, and with all the different terrible things happening to teachers in schools now-a-days, i am not surprised he reacted the way he did. Should he have? Probably not, as teachers should be a better example to students, etc etc. But what if the kid had had a knife? And stabbed the teacher? then this thread would have been about how we dont take care of trouble makers early enough.

Brittany mentioned a student in her class doing the same thing. So did i. This one student tryed to do as many things to the daily warm-up overhead as possible when the teacher wasnt looking (unfocusing, tilting the mirror, turning it off, unplugging it, flipping over the overhead page). He did this more than once. Same thing this kid in the article did. However, there is one big difference. My classmate did not do this maliciously. You can tell when a student really wants to ruin a teachers life. They find a strange kind of joy when this happens. What is worse is when they read stories of parents who sue teachers for fighting back at all (literally or not). Then they KNOW they can get away with it, and the situation gets worse. I currently go to high school. A nicer one too. And teachers still get sexually harassed by students, sworn at, etc etc.

omega1 says that the teech will get in loads of S*** for this, and thats so true. Its too bad he cant stand up for himself, just instantly gets taken from his job.

maynardsthirdeye, i doubt that is the only thing this student did. Otherwise, this teacher would have probably punched a student much earlier in his career. Also, suing would say you almost encourage your son's behavior, heck, you got some $ outta it.

Loki: I completely agree

dungleskates: must admit, with me reading so late in the progression of the thread, i am surprised that you stuck in so long. i also disagree, espeically since, what would have happened if the teacher had done nothing? The kid would have learned it was ok to those things. Then they CAN become "power crazy bullies" because they never learned their place.(btw: do you realize you sound like a completely hippie when you said the whole 'love, no hate, lets smoke a j' thing? Its fine if thats the image you want to portray, just letting you know) Also, i dont know if this was another joke, but hitting children upside the head is not a good form of discipline. I would never do that to a child, although i would spank them.

Ocelot: Just curious to your age. I know you beat me, as Im 16, but i feel i am a fairly mature person and was slightly offended when you insinuated that ppl my age are some of the stupidest ppl.

Baked: I agree with your points as well. As long as a good spanking is done for displine, not in anger, i support it. I was spanked whenever i did something really bad as a child, and even as they spanked me i knew i deserved it. BTW:i would never condon hitting a child with anything other than my hand. With a paddle or whatever, you cant tell what you are putting your child through. This is/should be true for many things. Instructors of policemen on how to use Taser guns must be tazed before being able to teach. This is so they will know what they are putting the criminal through, so they will only resort to the tazer when it is truly nessesary, not just when they feel a tad threatened.

Russian: yes, kids shouldnt be hit in anger. But they should also be taught not to be rude and insult ppl or wish them ill health, even(or espeically) if they are on the other side of a computer screen. I wish you would model that a little better.

groingrinder: i say, hit him with a red paintball. It'll scare the S*** outta him, at least at first. BTW: this is what the kids of today do. Isnt that sick?

victor was right: how can you support such violence?!?!

Dakuma:I agree with you completely as well

thats my 2C.

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Thought this was interesting in light of the general discussion of the handling of student threat/violence.

But in this particular case, again, we know nothing. Either about the student or the teacher. It's really impossible to judge without knowing.

And if I were a parent and a teacher hit my child in a school that does not use coporal punishment, I would sue them. It's not teaching the child that he can get away with anything. It's teaching him that as an adult, there are serious consequences to losing your control. Also, I wouldn't stand for anyone putting their hands on my child. A woman at a warehouse type store pushed my friends little boy out of the way so she could get by and I almost took her down for it. And that was just a push. I got to her before his mother did. No physical violence ensued, but she got schooled hard for it.

Even going to a private school where they did allow the teachers to use physical discipline, there were times when my mother took them up for going too far with me or my brother. There are limits. They must be there and they must be enforced or else things get way out of hand and someone gets really hurt.

If i found out that my kid got punched in the face by his teacher, oh ho ho id take time off work and go over to that school and get that teacher fired. That teacher had no right to hit him in the face no matter what he was doing. For one, its a kid and you dont hit kids. For two the teacher is supposed to deal with the kid and his problems, wether that problem is annoying or not, it is the teachers job to deal with it in a CIVIL manner such as sending him to the office. Finally that is assult and you are never allowed to hit someone in the face for any reason (unless they are trying to rape you or something). Me= �_�=teacher