The true face of terrorists in America

Originally posted by ninthaxis

Originally posted by Digital_Reality

I am arguing it should NOT be illegal for them to come here. Borders are just a legal excuse for discrimination

Translation= Look over here!

They can't help being born a non-american anymore than you can help being born an american.

Translation= Look over there!

I am saying it is HUMANITY's responsibility.

Translation= No wait look over here again!


LOOK HERE--->ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS A CRIME! Thus the term illegal.
Everything else is just whining and crying and excuses and diversions.

And you're little post meant what? That my points aren't valid? That opening the borders should not and cannot be discussed? I am not employing fallacies to win some juvenile argument. I have stated there are illegal immigrants. I believe it should not be illegal. Care to add to the discussion or just want to keep insulting people here?

What other laws should we do away with?

How about bank robbery? I know my life would be better if I had bags of cash laying around my house.

Originally posted by slackerwire
Our Constitution specifically states what our extorted tax dollars may be used for. I am not saying this act of socialism is something new. It has been happening for quite some time, but a merger with a 3rd world nation and a socialist leaning nation will only result in more unconstitutional expenditures of our money.

Letting more people in who cannot support themselves will result in more income redistribution, which I'm sure you know is one of the very basic tents of socialism.

I am not familiar with the stipulations on tax monies, I will have to do some reading here (yes reading! ). I also have not thought about the rammifications of the NAU on the Constitution would be. Good points.

Originally posted by slackerwire
What other laws should we do away with?

How about bank robbery? I know my life would be better if I had bags of cash laying around my house.

This, my friend, IS a fallacy. I have provided my justifications for making legal all immigration. To jump off into the deep end and claim I am supporting bank robbery is insulting and ignorant. OMG, you want to legalize medical marijuana???? So I suppose you want to be able to murder your neighbors then too? That is such a ridiculous jump of logic.

Originally posted by ninthaxis

Originally posted by slackerwire
Our Constitution specifically states what our extorted tax dollars may be used for. I am not saying this act of socialism is something new. It has been happening for quite some time, but a merger with a 3rd world nation and a socialist leaning nation will only result in more unconstitutional expenditures of our money.

Letting more people in who cannot support themselves will result in more income redistribution, which I'm sure you know is one of the very basic tents of socialism.

I am not familiar with the stipulations on tax monies, I will have to do some reading here (yes reading!

). I also have not thought about the rammifications of the NAU on the Constitution would be. Good points.

Article 1 Section 8 is the pertinent section in regards to expenditures of our tax dollars. If you have any questions, feel free to ask

some people have an agenda dont get bent out of shape, they have to make a living too, they just have somehting to gain by discrediting you for saying the truth. Take it as a compliment that they have to resort to these extremes because they lack a better argument.

Originally posted by ninthaxis

Originally posted by slackerwire
What other laws should we do away with?

How about bank robbery? I know my life would be better if I had bags of cash laying around my house.

This, my friend, IS a fallacy. I have provided my justifications for making legal all immigration. To jump off into the deep end and claim I am supporting bank robbery is insulting and ignorant. OMG, you want to legalize medical marijuana???? So I suppose you want to be able to murder your neighbors then too? That is such a ridiculous jump of logic.

At no point did I state that you supported bank robbery. Your rationale for wanting to do away with all restrictions on immigration so that people may have a chance at making their lives better is the fallacy. While millions upon millions of 3rd world people would flood our nation if your dream came true, what would happen to native born americans and those who chose to come here the legal way? Is that not a slap in the face to them?

The rights of American citizens trump any and all rights of would be immigrants.

You want to erase laws so people can make their lives better, I simply asked what other laws should we erasein the name of life improvement, yet you failed to answer. Care to answer that simple question?

Originally posted by nixie_nox
We can start by legislating against all free public services for illegal immigrants. No more free medical care, er visits, nothing.
They say americans are racist. You know who I have found is most angry? The legal immigrants. My friends who are legal immigrants are SEETHING.
This is the biggest insult. They worked hard, learned the language, found sponsers, and did it the right way.

Certainly. The legals are wanting an end to the invasion as well. They know what time it is.

Well, I will save what other laws should go for another thread as it does not apply to his immigration business at hand. I do not agree that opening our borders will result in this unbearable flood of people. Many individuals do not have the means to get here as oceans are in the way. Plus, America is not the only country that is seen as prosperous. If all borders would open, people would immigrate where the jobs are. When those jobs dry up they would move on.

our constitiution is unique in that it makes room for change....not for laws to be erased, but to be changed to represent the needs of the country as the needs change. In a globilized, interdependant world the needs of the many out way the needs of the few. The needs of the world out ways the needs of a single country. This my friend is the future, weather you like it or not. We are on a one track road towards progress not backwards isolationism.

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I'm saying its ILLEGAL to come here ILLEGALLY.
Why should we change the law because illegals have ruined their country and now are wanting to come here and do the same?

You can come to America and live the good life LEGALLY!
I'm not sure if you heard but we do have a process for that.It is put in place for a reason.

How are we to believe intentions are good and honest if the first thing immigrates do is come here illegally and argue our laws right off the bat? "I don't like your law ,you need to change it to suit me"

Originally posted by ninthaxis
When those jobs dry up they would move on.

Yeah, after AMERICAN CITIZENS are out in the streets because they can't find a job because a bunch of non-English speaking lawbreakers have filled the job industry, they would move on. Then what?

some would argue that the third world is a product of the influence of super powers like the U.S. and Russia in its hay day, going back to colonial times. If it is illegal and the need for it to be legal is greater, than the laws must adapt to represent the current need.

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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Yeah, after AMERICAN CITIZENS are out in the streets because they can't find a job because a bunch of non-English speaking lawbreakers have filled the job industry, they would move on. Then what?

Slow down a bit and read what was posted before making such rash statements. What this referred to was a world wide open border policy. So your notion of lawbreakers and non-English jargon is out of context. kthx

I dont think they would leave us jobless, hell they may create new service industries, maybe even marry their existing indistries to ours creating an econimic boom. the point is that it can be modled for succes and greater human development or modled after backwards thinking that in effect will suffocate our economy. It can be what ever we make of it, we dont know because it was never done.

Originally posted by ninthaxis

Slow down a bit and read what was posted before making such rash statements. What this referred to was a world wide open border policy. So your notion of lawbreakers and non-English jargon is out of context. kthx

What you're hoping for is not a reality and never will be.. So, no, it is very much in context with the THREAD... KTHX...

With the succes that the european union is enjoying one might hope a similar change world wide, a marrying of world economies has been proven through this union to be both possible and beneficial. Europe has both wealthy and third world nations and yet seems to be balanced and prosperouse. Maybe we could take a hint?



Not to mention immigration issues are a thing of the past amongst nations within the union

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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
What you're hoping for is not a reality and never will be.. So, no, it is very much in context with the THREAD... KTHX...

Why is it not a reality? Because it isn't that way now? Whats wrong with discussing ways to make the world a better place for humanity instead of pushing american dominance?

Originally posted by ninthaxis
Well, I will save what other laws should go for another thread as it does not apply to his immigration business at hand. I do not agree that opening our borders will result in this unbearable flood of people. Many individuals do not have the means to get here as oceans are in the way. Plus, America is not the only country that is seen as prosperous. If all borders would open, people would immigrate where the jobs are. When those jobs dry up they would move on.

Millions of people come here illegally with our borders, what evidence do you have to show that erasing those borders would cause a decline in that number?

Originally posted by newyorkee
With the succes that the european union is enjoying one might hope a similar change world wide, a marrying of world economies has been proven through this union to be both possible and beneficial. Europe has both wealthy and third world nations and yet seems to be balanced and prosperouse. Maybe we could take a hint?



Not to mention immigration issues are a thing of the past amongst nations within the union

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Europe also has confiscatory tax rates and socialism. There is a reason the U.K. has refrained from joining the EU. Think about that....

Originally posted by newyorkee
our constitiution is unique in that it makes room for change....not for laws to be erased, but to be changed to represent the needs of the country as the needs change. In a globilized, interdependant world the needs of the many out way the needs of the few. The needs of the world out ways the needs of a single country. This my friend is the future, weather you like it or not. We are on a one track road towards progress not backwards isolationism.

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The vast majority of Americans are against the NAU, so changing the Constitution will not happen.

The needs of American citizens both will and should be served before the needs of a foreign nation or a foreign peoples.