Fox News/CNN Sold Us Out & Destroyed The Evidence

Originally posted by Esoterica
So Fox and CNN didn't want to be responsible for a panic over what, at that point, may still have been an accident? This is somehow not a valid interperetation of events?

Just look at any major news event, the first 15 minutes they're always trying to figure out what's going on and if it's a real emergency or just a misunderstanding. The different thing about 9/11 is the attacks were still going on for those 15 minutes.

Thanks for your input Esoterica. I contend that what they did was far worse than creating a false panic. The erroneous reporting resulted in a false sense of security, creating more obstacles for first responders to fight through. There is no way that FOX and CNN were both oblivious to what was happening at street level of the WTC.

Sirens were blaring and the mayhem was already in progress all over the city when the story broke. Many injuries ranging from minor to fatal are a fact of life when very big jets hit very tall buildings during rush hour in very big cities. The Fox News Channel Headquarters is in Manhatten and CNN also has an office in Manhatten.

You're certainly entitled to your own opinion and I respect that. Had I not seen this deception play out first hand, I would never have believed that such an industry wide curtain of propaganda could be possible as Americans lay dead in the streets. So I really can't expect everyone to take my word on faith alone.



[edit on 8/10/07 by HaveSeen4Myself]

I'm not sure if this is helpful, but at the 22:55 mark of this video from the archive posted above they get one of their correspondents, Don Dahler, on the phone. During his description, he repeatedly said it was not a prop plane. In fact, he says it was "...perhaps a jet, but it could have been a missile as well." I'm listening to the report as I type this, and he just said the hole is too large for a Cessna plane.

To me, it seems like he was making point in saying that it was definitely not a propeller plane.

great catch on the archive footage, you get a star...

watching right now, the cnn coverage. Indeed when the second plane hits there is a downplay that it is another explosion, even though it is blatantly obvious that a plane hits and the camera is taken moved within seconds of impact.

Media is part of my career.

Simple solution: All media corporations keep recordings of their news. Especially major events, including before and after.

Demand the specified times. They may deny they have it, but I assure you they do. Use every legal right you have to get those tapes.

EDIT: Is it me or is she nervous, the ABC lady in archive, in the first time...talking about pets. It feels tense, very.

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Sometimes I think we were better off before we had instantaneous communications. It gave people time to think and the news people had time to verify information instead of being in such a rush to be the first to spread rumor and inneundo.

This may sound cruel, but I'm glad that the attacks occurred on September 11th, see I was supposed to be at a breakfast at the Top of the World restaraunt on September 18th at 9:00 AM. At that time I worked for a lighting company that was working on a project for the mall between the towers called Zig Zag Alley. There was going to be an unveiling the morning of the 18th and then we were to recieve an award at the breakfast.

On September 11th I was at work in Pittsburgh finishing up the documentation on the Zig Zag Alley project. One of the guys had a radio on and said that a small plane had hit one of the towers. Our first thought was that it might cancel our trip the folowing week. During the next few hours we heard all kinds of things over the radio. We heard that a plane was forced down at Allegheny County Airport and there was a hostage situation. We heard that there was a plane circling around Pittsburgh (that one had enough credability that the US Steel building was evacuated). Downtown Pittsburgh ended up having a voluntary evacuation. There were reports of up to 12 aircraft unaccounted for and reports of crashes all over the place.

I honestly think that the news networks have gone back and edited their archives of the 9-11 coverage, but not for the reasons that some on this thread seem to think. I think they edited out some of the reports that make these networks look like the fools that they are.

Originally posted by Niall197
www.archive.org...

That site has BBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN & Fox coverage from before the attacks happened all the way through. Might help. I've never watched continuous US coverage so it might help me see where the OP is coming from.

I watched the Fox coverage and it looks like they cut the original footage from here as well. No mention about a Sesna, but they do have ground interviews and talk of a MAJOR explosion.

Originally posted by rezial666
We need ot see footage of the news reports so the discussion can be furthered. I am surprised that the evidence is was not obtained before this thread was implemented.

I haven't been able to find one scrap of the CNN or FOX footage in the last 6 years, so you can imagine my frustration level. I'm very pleased at the response to this thread so far, and I think this type of discussion can do wonders in our pursuit of the truth.

Damned_Zombie: The guy on the phone in the ABC video sounded like he was being totally honest. It is rather strange how he described hearing something like a missile before the North Tower exploded. Then at the instant of the 2nd attack, he was looking at the WTC and didn't seem to hear or see the jumbo jet before impact, and others have said the same thing. There is no doubt in my mind that some of the witnesses were planted, but that guy on the phone with ABC sounds genuine. He also says the damage to the South Tower was significantly less than the damage to the North Tower. Things just don't ever seem to add up pertaining to the events surrounding 9/11.

[edit on 8/10/07 by HaveSeen4Myself]

I'm an open minded person but KNOW for a fact that many folks on here post hoaxes as a sport. I'm not saying this IS a made up story; I've seen numerous videos that contradict any real terrorist threat, BUT I just can't believe your story without any given evidence, sorry.

Originally posted by HaveSeen4Myself
Damned_Zombie: The guy on the phone in the ABC video sounded like he was being totally honest. It is rather strange how he described hearing something like a missile before the North Tower exploded.

What does a missile sound like?

Originally posted by JIMC5499

What does a missile sound like?

Whooossssshhhh!!! But that's just a guess

It is like when a firefighter says he heard a bomb and that is then latched onto before researching said firefighter to see if has any experience, in the military for example, to see if he actually knows the difference between a bomb and another kind of explosion.

Does the ABC guy know what "something LIKE a missile" flying past sounds like? He isn't actually saying it sounded just like a missile remember but let's be sure here. What is his background? Has he been around missiles at all? Research, research, research

Originally posted by JIMC5499
What does a missile sound like?

To quote the guy (Correspondent Don Dahler) on the phone:

"I am about 4 or 5 blocks just north of the WTC...and about 10-15 minutes ago there was a loud sound that .....I can only describe it as it sounded like a missile...not an airplane....and there was a loud explosion and immediately lots of screaming out on the streets. I dont want to cause any speculation, but that's the only way I can describe the sound...and it was definately not the sound of a prop plane or anything like that....I have a pilot's license and I grew up on miltary bases, so I know what jets sound like...and I've been in war zones and heard those kinds of different sounds."

He does go on to say that it could've been a jet or a missile, but definately not a prop plane.

Originally posted by HaveSeen4Myself

Originally posted by JIMC5499
What does a missile sound like?

To quote the guy (Correspondent Don Dahler) on the phone:

"I am about 4 or 5 blocks just north of the WTC...and about 10-15 minutes ago there was a loud sound that .....I can only describe it as it sounded like a missile...not an airplane....and there was a loud explosion and immediately lots of screaming out on the streets. I dont want to cause any speculation, but that's the only way I can describe the sound...and it was definately not the sound of a prop plane or anything like that....I have a pilot's license and I grew up on miltary bases, so I know what jets sound like...and I've been in war zones and heard those kinds of different sounds."

He does go on to say that it could've been a jet or a missile, but definately not a prop plane.

Right, and as we know now the aircraft were jets. Problem is that some people only hear the word "missile" and try to use that to justify their arguement that it wasn't planes that hit the towers. Several years ago I wanted to be an air crash investigator. At the time I was working at an airport and was taking classes at Emory Riddle. NTSB had an office at the airport and I got to know some of the investigators. They kind of took me under their wing and helped me out. I got to attend some of the training seminars that they had and one of these was on the subject of interrogating eye witnesses. I was asked who I thought would make the better witness, someone with an aviation background (pilot, mechanic ATC controller) or someone who knew nothing about aircraft? To my suprise, the person who knows nothing about aviation makes the better witness. The reasoning behind this is that the person with the aviation background colors their testimony by trying to explain the incident instead of just telling what happened.

Your looking in the wrong place. I was outside that day, because it was a beautiful day in lower Manhattan. I worked "near by" the twin towers and remember vividly Ron Insana of CNBC doing live boradcasts from the base of the towers that day. After the second plane hit I headed back to the safety of my office and began watching CNBC as it would be one of the few channels we would watch inour office. They repeatedly showed his morning broadcast. The first plane hit in between his broadcasts and they broke to him the minute they could. He was, I believe, the first reporter on the scene, mostly because he was already there. I have not seen the broadcast in years, not sure if it still exists, but I remember him saying they could hear the plane as it approached, but he did not see the plane nor the impact. But when they did do a close up on the impact site, I immediately did not believe it was something as small as a cessna. BUT since I was outside when both impacts took place and I had seen the 2nd plane actually hit, I could be biased in my assumption. You should try and contace CNBC or GE for that matter as they are the parent company of CNBC for the archival footage.

Ok I've watched ABC news coverage up until the 2nd tower collapsed.

As a Brit I'm not really familiar with how the US network/local system works. But the ABC coverage switches from national ABC to local (ABC7 - Washington ?) and vice versa, throughout.

Could the discrepancies reported here be due to some of you guys watching the wrong local feed ? Would that account for why the recordings aren't as you remember them ?

i.e. that if you live in LA you'd be watching the local ABC channel there and not getting the ABC Washington local station ?

(apologies in advance for my ignorance)

To be fair, we are talking about FOX news.

They're not really a news source, they rarely get ANYTHING right to begin with.

Don't be surprised if they just made stuff up to make it sound like they had "more info then everybody else' (which is something they've been known to do.)

They probably realized that they BS was caught when the towers fell, and decided not to add the story so nobody could call BS on faux news.

Originally posted by WolfofWar
They're not really a news source, they rarely get ANYTHING right to begin with.

Don't be surprised if they just made stuff up to make it sound like they had "more info then everybody else' (which is something they've been known to do.)

They probably realized that they BS was caught when the towers fell, and decided not to add the story so nobody could call BS on faux news.

I always thought that it was the Clinton News Network that did that.
Or was it the Clinton Broadcasting Service?

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Great post! This discussion is one I will certainly follow, as I've often wondered about the odd things I remember happening on TV at the time. I thought maybe I just had a bad memory until I read your OP! I like the complete story that you painted - it really does fit the way things were that morning.

Now to go read the rest of the thread...

[edit on 8/10/2007 by damajikninja]

I can't speak for early television coverage on that morning, as at the time, all I had was a little combo TV/VCR that I never used. But I got up that morning at 8 AMish to go to physical therapy, checked the internet news as I do every morning, and Yahoo had a short blurb from, I guess, the AP that a small Cessna type plane had hit the Trade Center. By the time my fiancee' and I arrived at my doctors office, both of the towers had fallen. I told her at the time (And it's funny in retrospect), that the only thing that could bring both of those towers down like that would be tactical nukes. So needless to say, it's funny all these years later to see people talking about micronukes.

as far as the cessna goes....the recordings of NEADS...a local part of NORAD....says that at first they thought it was a cessna.....

and by the time of the pentagon strike...they thought they had 5 hijacked aircraft in the air...including flight 11
www.vanityfair.com...


watching these news casts is.....different.....i was on cst at the time...(indiana didnt change back and forth back then)...so i was just getting to school when it happend....we were taking the ISTEP...(stupid standardized tests)....i didnt hear about it till about 10 am local...when the principal came over the intercom and told everyone in the school that the WTC's and the pentagon had been bombed....we discussed it at lunch, as rumors floated around....and i didnt see anything else until i got home and my mom was home from work watching.....


p.s. the second abc film...at 9:17 for the news time....4:41 for run time....it says that what was said in the presidents ear was..."do you know whats going on in new york, and the president said i did"

[edit on 10-8-2007 by wenfieldsecret]

Originally posted by quintar
HaveSeen4Myself,

I was also home that day and remember seeing news mention on my local station first that a small type plane hit WTC. I then turned to CNN and saw as they were reporting about a small cessna hitting the first tower. I then switched to the canadian coverage and saw the 2nd plane hit. That's when EVERYONE jumped on board and this was all over the stations.

As did I. I was home as well on that morning and I remember talk of a small Cessna hitting the building.

But I would imagine it would be pretty difficult to convince all the people who saw a jet fly into the second tower that it was really a Cessna. The live report on TV of the second tower matched up perfectly with the time that the New Yorker's saw the jet fly into the tower. That is not to say however, that a Cessna couldn't have hit the first tower.