When Jesus was crucified, he did not die

There is one secret about Jesus which the Christians do not know. When Jesus was crucified, he did not die; he entered the state of Nirvikalp Samadhi (the "I Am God" state without bodily consciousness). On the third day, he again became conscious of his body and he traveled secretly in disguise eastward (with some apostles) to India. This was called Jesus' resurrection.

taken from Lord Meher p752
www.lordmeher.org...

any comments on this subject?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

you might find this intresting as it goes into depth about this
since as a muslim i believe that Jesus (may rest be apon him) wasnt crucified
watch the videos

This is why people don't believe in God or Jesus thanks alot. These people don't have a clue then the man in the moon.

This is what I think of your opinons....pfffffffffffffffffffffft!!!!!

When people tell lies or their opinions long enough then they are to believed to be fact.

[edit on 8/8/2007 by Leyla]

Quoting sources is fine, but what do YOU think personally?

I believe the testimonies written down in Scripture that Jesus died.

I could just as easily believe He did not die and write a book about it.

Belief isn't a force that rapes you, its a choice that guides you.

Christians are Christians because they choose to believe. Atheists are atheists because they choose not to believe.

What on earth can be simpler than that?

Originally posted by Leyla
When people tell lies or their opinions long enough then they are to believed to be fact.

The crucifixion isn't a fact, so people can speculate about it. I for one think jesus is a fictional character.

For example jesus was not crucified according to the qu'ran as bodrul stated...

Originally posted by DarkSide

Originally posted by Leyla
When people tell lies or their opinions long enough then they are to believed to be fact.

The crucifixion isn't a fact, so people can speculate about it. I for one think jesus is a fictional character.

For example jesus was not crucified according to the qu'ran as bodrul stated...

Ok how do you know whats truth and fiction? You or I didn't see the crucifixion. But you thinking Jesus is a fictional character is your opinion not a fact.

Seeing the movie Passion of the Christ is my proof enough. Seeing the pain and Jesus's suffering protrayed on screen broke my heart and I was barley able to watch it. If God does not exsist the why was Jim Cavasal?sp) the actor who played Jesus hit by lighting?

Saying that you don't know if Jesus exsisted or not thats ok but denying God can be dangerious for you- and that would go for me too.

Go to Little Switzerland in NC and say God does not exsist after you see the mountains. Truthfully I don't see how anyone can after seeing such a wonderious view.

Whats next that we came from apes and monkies?

Originally posted by DarkSide
The crucifixion isn't a fact, so people can speculate about it. I for one think jesus is a fictional character.

For example jesus was not crucified according to the qu'ran as bodrul stated...

You realize that among historical scholars and theologians, there is no debate about the historicity of Jesus Christ. There was a man called Jesus of Nazareth that roamed the Earth. Just oughta let you know.

Originally posted by Leyla
... Whats next that we came from apes and monkies?

I believe in evolution and in God simultaneously. Strange eh?

Originally posted by corusso

There is one secret about Jesus which the Christians do not know. When Jesus was crucified, he did not die; he entered the state of Nirvikalp Samadhi (the "I Am God" state without bodily consciousness). On the third day, he again became conscious of his body and he traveled secretly in disguise eastward (with some apostles) to India. This was called Jesus' resurrection.

taken from Lord Meher p752
www.lordmeher.org...

any comments on this subject?

You do NOT resuscitate from a Roman crucifixion. Of all the thousands of people who have been crucified under Roman rule, there's never been a single account of that happening. After a crucifixion, and if you are still alive, they break your legs and drag you down from the tree and stab you to death.

Simplest reasoning why Jesus did not die. The Sign of Jonah. "As Jonah was 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the whale so shall the Son of Man be 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth". Jonah did not die. Jesus did not die. Simple Simple.....(as long as you don't pay too much attention to the fact that Jesus did not spend 3 days and 3 nights ).

Seeing the movie Passion of the Christ is my proof enough. Seeing the pain and Jesus's suffering protrayed on screen broke my heart and I was barley able to watch it. If God does not exsist the why was Jim Cavasal?sp) the actor who played Jesus hit by lighting?

So your proof that god exists is a mel gibson film and an actor being hit by lightning?

Saying that you don't know if Jesus exsisted or not thats ok but denying God can be dangerious for you- and that would go for me too.

Well I havn't been hit by lightning yet, nor by fire and brimstone, so I think I'm doing fine so far

Go to Little Switzerland in NC and say God does not exsist after you see the mountains. Truthfully I don't see how anyone can after seeing such a wonderious view.

Mountains are formed by plate tectonics not by god.

Whats next that we came from apes and monkies?

Not quite. humans and apes have a common ancestor

There was a man called Jesus of Nazareth that roamed the Earth. Just oughta let you know.

Evidence please

"It's written in my favorite mythology book" isn't a valid answer.

[edit on 14-8-2007 by DarkSide]

Originally posted by TheB1ueSoldier
You realize that among historical scholars and theologians, there is no debate about the historicity of Jesus Christ. There was a man called Jesus of Nazareth that roamed the Earth. Just oughta let you know.

well, i'd understand theologians, but there is a movement starting within the community of historians that is questioning it.

but wait, you just gave out a logical fallacy, the argument from authority.

show me a source that was written by someone who lived at the same time jesus did that says "some dude named jesus who was followed around by 12 guys was walking around and preaching stuff" and i'll believe you.
actually, you don't even need to do that. show me historical sources that show the slaughter of the innocents happened and i'd concede that jesus was most likely a historical figure

Originally posted by Leyla
Ok how do you know whats truth and fiction? You or I didn't see the crucifixion. But you thinking Jesus is a fictional character is your opinion not a fact.

it's an opinion based on facts

Seeing the movie Passion of the Christ is my proof enough.

really? a movie which continues to depict jesus as a white guy?

Seeing the pain and Jesus's suffering protrayed on screen broke my heart and I was barley able to watch it. If God does not exsist the why was Jim Cavasal?sp) the actor who played Jesus hit by lighting?

because he got unlucky.
and honestly, if they did a movie about the suffering prometheus went through it would be many thousands of times worse.... ok, mainly that's because the movie would cover thousands of years of suffering, but still.

Saying that you don't know if Jesus exsisted or not thats ok but denying God can be dangerious for you- and that would go for me too.

the threat from pascal's wager. not believing in odin is just as dangerous.

Go to Little Switzerland in NC and say God does not exsist after you see the mountains. Truthfully I don't see how anyone can after seeing such a wonderious view.

i've seen many gorgeous views in my life, all i have to say is that scenery is pretty, not that some supernatural being has to exist for them to exist. geology is enough to explain why they're there

Whats next that we came from apes and monkies?

no, but we do share a common ancestor with them and we are technically apes (soldier, please talk some sense into your fellow christian on this one)

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul


The threat from pascal's wager. not believing in odin is just as dangerous.

Whats next that we came from apes and monkies?

No, but we do share a common ancestor with them and we are technically apes (soldier, please talk some sense into your fellow christian on this one)

Don't worry about me maddness. Worry about yourself.

Odin is a false God

Oooooooo eeeeeeeee Go around and hoot like a ape then since we're related to the apes... LOL Do you really believe that nonsense?

Here's a banana.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
well, i'd understand theologians, but there is a movement starting within the community of historians that is questioning it.

but wait, you just gave out a logical fallacy, the argument from authority.

So you honestly think that the 12 apostles died for a lie that they themselves fabricated? And you think that a huge rebellion from the first Christians sprang up without Jesus Christ ever existing? Don't you think that while they were being fed to lions or dragged through Rome by their ankles on horses, their mentality was "Hey I never met this Jesus guy and don't have any real evidence for his existence, but I'll profess my belief in him even though it costs me my life!" Because if you do believe this, my, you have more faith than I do.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
show me a source that was written by someone who lived at the same time jesus did that says "some dude named jesus who was followed around by 12 guys was walking around and preaching stuff" and i'll believe you.

It's called the New Testament of the Holy Bible. But knowing you, you probably meant extra-biblical sources. Isn't that called cherry-picking sources? Anyways, read the 18th book of "Jewish Antiquities" by Flavius Josephus.

But really, it doesn't matter because in the end, it all boils down to what your preconceived notions are. Your brain is mostly likely hard-wired to trust Anti-Jesus sources and mistrust Pro-Jesus sources. Do you find it hard not to cringe when you hear "Lord Jesus Christ died for your sins"?

Originally posted by TheB1ueSoldier
So you honestly think that the 12 apostles died for a lie that they themselves fabricated?

that's another 12... 13 holes in your story. they don't seem to be historical either.

And you think that a huge rebellion from the first Christians sprang up without Jesus Christ ever existing?

yes. that rebellion was started by people more than a generation removed from the time jesus was supposed to have lived.

Don't you think that while they were being fed to lions or dragged through Rome by their ankles on horses, their mentality was "Hey I never met this Jesus guy and don't have any real evidence for his existence, but I'll profess my belief in him even though it costs me my life!" Because if you do believe this, my, you have more faith than I do.

no i don't, i just realize that THOSE PEOPLE have more faith than you do.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
It's called the New Testament of the Holy Bible. But knowing you, you probably meant extra-biblical sources. Isn't that called cherry-picking sources? Anyways, read the 18th book of "Jewish Antiquities" by Flavius Josephus.

the new testament isn't exactly a historical book, seeing as it has contradictory sources...
and the tf jospehus source... it's disputed.
en.wikipedia.org...
i don't want to go into it so i'll just post the wiki link, it has many citations and references

But really, it doesn't matter because in the end, it all boils down to what your preconceived notions are. Your brain is mostly likely hard-wired to trust Anti-Jesus sources and mistrust Pro-Jesus sources.

incorrect. my brain is hard wired to accept EVIDENCE. i have no problem with the many of the teachings of jesus, i have no problem with some of the good stuff that is found throughout the bible, the koran, or any other religious text. my brain is hard wired to be scientific. that's the problem here. i'm not anti-jesus, i'm just pro-reason.

actually, that's another thing... had there been a jesus why aren't there a bunch of writings about how he was some sort of crackpot or other anti-jesus writings going against him during his supposed lifetime? why aren't there any writings from the pharisees?

Do you find it hard not to cringe when you hear "Lord Jesus Christ died for your sins"?

not really, but i find it hard not to include "so did dionysus and mithra." or "and prometheus suffered far greater pain and torture just to give you fire"

i also tend to do a bit of a laugh whenever i hear the name "jesus" because of how linguistically wrong it must be. it's quite obvious that the name is really either "yeshu" or "yeshua"
nobody in the region was named "jesus"

[edit on 8/15/07 by madnessinmysoul]

Odin is a false God

He's just as false as any other god is.

Oooooooo eeeeeeeee Go around and hoot like a ape then since we're related to the apes... LOL Do you really believe that nonsense?

Here's a banana.

How old are you 13 or something?

So you honestly think that the 12 apostles died for a lie that they themselves fabricated? And you think that a huge rebellion from the first Christians sprang up without Jesus Christ ever existing? Don't you think that while they were being fed to lions or dragged through Rome by their ankles on horses, their mentality was "Hey I never met this Jesus guy and don't have any real evidence for his existence, but I'll profess my belief in him even though it costs me my life!" Because if you do believe this, my, you have more faith than I do.

The Mayans sacrificed people every day over hundreds of year to please the gods. They believed that if they didn't the sun would never rise again. Isn't that proof that the Mayan sun god exists?

It's called the New Testament of the Holy Bible. But knowing you, you probably meant extra-biblical sources. Isn't that called cherry-picking sources?

It's not. The bible is a mythological book, it's not reliable for historical accounts, point.

LOL At times I'm a kid at heart but that has nothing to do with my age. But if your dying to know I'm 35. (Smart aleck) I was merely making a point but my point flew right over your head.

People believe that we're desended from the apes- more false properganda to brain wash us. Beleive what you choose to belive. If you want to believe that your ansesters are apes go right ahead.

I hope one day you and Madness will learn the truth. What will you do when Jesus returns- Will you tell him he's a myth? Its time to stop dening the truth and spit out the blue pill.

Originally posted by Leyla
People believe that we're desended from the apes- more false properganda to brain wash us. Beleive what you choose to belive. If you want to believe that your ansesters are apes go right ahead.

no, we aren't descended from apes, we're descended from common ancestors of apes. we have SCIENCE to back this up.

I hope one day you and Madness will learn the truth.

you know, even soldier accepts that evolution is factual...
and i know the truth, the truth is derived from facts.

What will you do when Jesus returns- Will you tell him he's a myth?

i highly doubt that said being ever existed, let alone has the properties that your myth give him, but if he does exist and he returns i'll tell him "sorry i didn't believe in you, there wasn't enough evidence"

Its time to stop dening the truth and spit out the blue pill.

there's no truth for me to deny.

[edit on 8/15/07 by madnessinmysoul]

Originally posted by Leyla
Beleive what you choose to belive. If you want to believe that your ansesters are apes go right ahead.

I didn't choose to believe that we are primates. I don't "believe" in it because I liked the idea, but because it makes sense, there is reasoning behind it, and a MOUNTAIN of evidence to prove it. I assume my primal nature.

I hope one day you and Madness will learn the truth. What will you do when Jesus returns- Will you tell him he's a myth? Its time to stop dening the truth and spit out the blue pill.

How can he return if he never existed to begin with?

Originally posted by thisnamenotinuse
Belief isn't a force that rapes you, its a choice that guides you.

I appreciate what you have said. Thank you.

Once God wakes us up, I would also add that belief is knowing that God can heal us when nothing else possibly can. (Matt. 9:28)

Case in point:
God has healed my Husband's (Ron) knee by using me in prayer. Nothing that I could figure out or try to make happen, that's for sure.

Ron wasn't my husband yet, but we were engaged.

One day at Ron's apt. he was telling me about his knee and that it was hurting him due to a robbery chase at the Mall we were working at. We were in Mall Security. He was night Supv.

After Ron told me about his knee God told me to lay hands on that same knee. But all I did was argue back with God.

But the next week when I saw Ron again at his apt. he spoke about his knee again and then I obeyed God and prayed over him laying my hands on him in prayer, after I asked him if I could.

And the next week, when I saw Ron, he bend down all the way carrying his body on that one leg showing me that God did heal him.


I first was reluctant to Obey God's Voice because I didn't want Ron to take me for a nut. Well, I had never heard God tell me to pray over someone as I heard Him that day. So, my flesh did get in the way. But later I obeyed. Ron said that if God wouldn't have healed him that he was prepared to have knee surgery.

[edit on 8/15/2007 by Jesus-Is-Real]