Fighting global warming, well, will you?

It's so easy to sit there in front of your screen thinking: "we gotta do something about this global heating!" Or the even more classy thought: "well, I don't brun any coal, I'm not responsible".

My qestion is as follows; will you make the change, or even more important, are you even able to do something? Ever heard the expression "Kill your darling"?

Here are some examples:

Heat/Cold:
If you reside in a desert climate, can you find yourself without AC? Are you willing to live a life when it's constantly as hot inside your house or business as it is outside? You have to. AC is an extreme consumer of energy and they are often switched on 24/7. You have to either connect it to solar-panels or just move to another location. One way out might be those homes carved out of a mountain side, but there aren't that many mountains.
The same goes for those who live in cold climates. Are you prepared to lower the temperature of you home, surviving in 50-59 degrees(10-15 celsius) wearing jacket and cap inside? This problem is easier to solve than the heat issue, and of course there are more people living in warmer climates than cold ones, but we all have to make an effort in this struggle (proper insulation and alternative heat-sources such as rock-core heat for example). Will you adapt to the climate you live in or will you rather pollute this atmosphere even more just so we can all die in a comfortable temperature?

Food/Foregin products:
Are you able to live without food and products not manufactured within your closest perimeter? Not everywhere can everything grow, breed and be fished. You have to give away these things to avoid the massive pollution from transporting candy from Mexico, fish from Japan, electronics from Korea, clothes from Bangladesh, movies, drugs, tools...the list can be made long. The more your country is outsourcing it's industries, the fewer products you can consume without guilt. You can transport these things via train but the railways don't cover 100% of the world and they also run on some sort of power from a powerplant (how do you know it's not fossile fule-based power?). Also meat-eating must be limited to much, much less than today. The issue of the cattle itself emitting pollution is a problem (they fart too you know and methane is a very powerful green house-gas) but the real issue is the massive ammount of forest being cut down to provide feeding-grounds for cattle and in the south americas it's rainforest (our number one defense against increasing carbon dioxide). One or two meals containing meat every week has to be the new standards. Even regular crops have to be grown somewhere. There just aren't enough to feed us all anymore if we intend to live on this planet for another millenium or even century.

Cars/Travel:
This is a sore subject, especially in the U.S. Are you willing to give away your driving? That is right, no more car. Can you even survive without it? Is there proper means of public transport for you to go to work even? Surely enough you can buy yourself one of those flexi-fuel cars, but still they are too costly to appeal the majority of us. Also, no more vacations far away. No more trips to other continents, learn how to appreciate your native area because air-travel is a no-go.

Light/General use of electricity:
Are you ready to focus your daily routines to day-time? The whole society has to change it's hours of operating to when the sun is up. This is what it was like back in the day before massive spotlights flooded the football field in light and the neon hysteria was still to come. Just take a city like Las Vegas; pull the plug on that one and see how worthless it becomes. Limit your time in front of the TV and computer. Limit your numbers of washing machine-sessions and don't even think about the dishwasher, do it by hand. Also, stove, owen, fridge and freezer are real bandidos in this global robbing of resources. Change you diet.

All this, and more has to go. You probably think that you personaly has little impact on the enviroment so you are immune to these changes but NO, we all have to. All freakin 6 billion+ of us. We are the people, we cause this and WE have to stop it.
Are you prepared? Can you manage? Will you even survive?
If you say yes; why don't you do something right this moment then? Lazy? Poor? Waiting for some "thing" to happen or some golden moment when you finally get of your fat ass and do all this? You are not slaves, you are in control of your own life. The great "pollutors" out there, power plants and industries don't do such things for their own good, they do it to please you: the consuming masses, EVERYTHING is done for you, me, us, them, all. If we do not consume, there will be no production. It's a bizarre game of give and take, eat and #, kill to live. And above all stands money, money, money...
If you say no; then the inevitable global kataklyzm is a fact. Thank you.
It might sound harsh, but this is a pretty sereious situation we are dealing with.

Please, reply with your thoughts on this and add to the list of things we have to stay away from for a long, long time ahead. It will surely suck but it's better than killing the world.

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[edit on 1-8-2007 by Raud]

I have already tried to cut down my 'Carbon Footprint'.

I now use 75% Straight Vegetable oil in my VW van, and have installed those dinky little energy saving lightbulbs where practical, unfortunatley they arent practical to use everywhere.

It's a start and it's a move in the right direction.

Have you tried those LED-lights? Do they give the same type of light as a regular bulb?

Originally posted by Chorlton
I now use 75% Straight Vegetable oil in my VW van, and have installed those dinky little energy saving lightbulbs where practical, unfortunatley they arent practical to use everywhere.

Yep they are very dull, and for people with bad eye sight, who need stronger bulbs, they are not very good. Though i do say you do get used to them.

Alright. Thanks for the info.
I heard that both blueberries and carrots inprove your night-vision and those grow just outside my home. Gonna eat alot in the near future I guess!

Originally posted by Raud

My qestion is as follows; will you make the change, or even more important, are you even able to do something?

I can;t do much more - because my preferred lifestyle is already one which produces far less CO2 emissions than the vast majority of people in the western world.

Heat/Cold

I don;t have AC (I live in England). My central heating is only ever on for a few hours at a time max, and then only set to 16c. So far this year (2007) it's been on for a total period of less than 24 hours ....

Food/Foregin products:
Are you able to live without food and products not manufactured within your closest perimeter?

I try and only buy foodstuff produced in the UK, although obviously there are exceptions (like Chilean wine ). With other items it's often impossible or wholly impractical not to buy foreign imports. I would not decline to buy a book because the book was published in the USA and imported to the UK, for example.

The issue of the cattle itself emitting pollution is a problem (they fart too you know and methane is a very powerful green house-gas) but the real issue is the massive ammount of forest being cut down to provide feeding-grounds for cattle and in the south americas it's rainforest (our number one defense against increasing carbon dioxide).

Most rainforest is destroyed to crop crops, including soya, but especially palm oil - used in many foodstuffs and now in great demand for biofuels ....

Cattle do produce methane. But there is no evidence that methane levels - which fell in the 1990s - are directly affected by livestock.

Cars/Travel:
This is a sore subject, especially in the U.S. Are you willing to give away your driving?

I've never owned a car. Never even taken my test (I'm 41 btw). I travel by foot, by bicycle, by bus or by train depending on circumstance.

Light/General use of electricity:
Limit your time in front of the TV and computer. Limit your numbers of washing machine-sessions and don't even think about the dishwasher, do it by hand.

A laptop used much less electricity. I never use a dishwasher or tumble drier.

Are you prepared? Can you manage? Will you even survive?

Well I did once spend 6 months living with no gas, no electric, no running water .......

If you say yes; why don't you do something right this moment then? Lazy? Poor?

Not much more I can do, though it's true that if I were wealthier I could reduce my carbon footprint even more.

Another thought: why but new good when you can but second hand ones? I run an antique and second hand s business - effectively a big recycling centre. Nothing I sell contributes in any way to current climate change


And the irony? I don't even think carbon emissions are worth worrying about!

I'm not convinced that global warming is a bad thing, nor caused by humans.

My first point: Global warming is not bad. Sure, polar bears might disappear and we will lose some coastline, but the planet will adapt. It always has in the past, and will in the future.

With the warmer temperatures we will have longer growing seasons in more northerly places. This region as alot more surface area then the more southerly latitudes, creating a much larger food source. Also with increased CO2 plants will grow much better. Also with these warmer temperatures, demand for heating sources will be reduced in the winter months. Did i mention that people will be a lot happier since they won't have to deal with long harsh winters?

If we put money into prevention programs that look to deal with the effects of global warming (ie adapting to it), rather misplacing these funds on CO2 reduction, we will see alot more good come out of it.

I still have yet to see evidence that convinces me that we are causing global warming. This issue seems to be a one sided debate of the envirometalfreaks led by al gore (and here in canada by david suzuki). A true scientific debate has two way opposing veiwpoints, that recognize the others veiwpoints. But these people are speaking a so called "truth" and refuse to hear any other veiwpoint. These people are scaring the general public into a state of fear (remind you of anyone else from history???) for their personal profit. "Going green" has become a multi billion dollar marketing campain and industry in itself.

Have any of you heard of the Carbon Credit trading proposals? These programs take your money to buy "carbon credits" from so called green companys in order to reduce the "intensity" of your emissions. THERE ARE NO REAL REDUCTIONS. It appears to me these are money grabbing schemes thought out by the socialists. Would the money not be better spent in research programs that are looking at ways of reducing or eliminating carbon dioxide?

I have heard a lot from both sides in this argument, and i am more inclined to belive the people who say that Global Warming is not man made but a natural process. This is my personal opinion and i am sticking by it.

Just for your information, i take public transit (including an electric train run by wind power) almost every day, and have attempted to reduce my impact on the earth like most of you above. But i do it for my own and my future descendent's benifit, not because of global warming.

[edit on 1-8-2007 by DSO]

Originally posted by DSO
I'm not convinced that global warming is a bad thing, nor caused by humans.

I'm with you on that one DSO. You should check out a documentary called "The Great Global Warming Swindle" (if you haven't already). There's some really great information on there.

I will try to be less polluting when i can be, but as far as im concerned, its not my problem. There is no real evidence to claim humans are responsible for global warming.. and no evidence to show that the current climate shift is being caused by GW. IMO its a natural cycle.

Global Warming is an arm of the New World Order. Whilst everyone waits for another terrorist attack to happen, they will use the guise of climate change to enact their plans. Global Climate change comes under a "united threat". And frankly, more people will fall for that than another 9/11.

This is all happening whilst there are free energy technologies available. Oh, and carbon emissions... seriously, there are far worse pollution problems to be thinking about! Seriously..

I await in anticipation to see just how many people fall for the global warming scam.

Thats one i want to see, but i don't think its available in canada yet. I've also veiwed glenn beck's piece on cnn which raised some great points.

Ok, but this thread is maily for us who know that the GW is caused by us humans and our greedy way of life. If you choose believe different take your claims to some other thread. Please.

Originally posted by HCLogo

I'm with you on that one DSO. You should check out a documentary called "The Great Global Warming Swindle" (if you haven't already). There's some really great information on there.

Much of it inaccurate, out of date or distorted

However....

.... if everyone reduced their 'carbon footprint' by reducing their energy consumption then everyone would have more money to spend (except the Russian and Iranians). Why is this such a bad thing?

I amazes me that so many people have so much money that they'd rather burn it than save it ........

Why should we stop it?

Some of us are looking forward to it. When all the global effects are tallied it will be a net benefit to the planet.

Originally posted by dave_54
Why should we stop it?

Some of us are looking forward to it.

Some of us don't like hot weather

I did a thread about carbon footprint back in march:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Not that many people were willing to answer.
Amazing how many people talk the talk - but when it comes to doing something about it?????

I rest my case.

Seriously guys, global warming is a scam, wake up. All you need to know are a couple of facts to dispel the garbage that the government is pushing.. those facts are;

-Global climate has changed on its own in the past, before polluting humans arrived
-95% of CO2 comes from natural sources
-The Earths magnetic field is decreasing rapidly
-All the planets in our solar system are experiencing climate shift now
-Cows fart out more greenhouse gases than you could possibly imagine. Gonna kill all the cows? Change their diet

Global Warming is nothing more than a control mechanism to enslave us even more than we are now. You will have to pay more taxes, which won't even make a shred of difference. Under new rules, Africa will be prevented from ever developing etc..


Honestly, greenhouse gases are NOT a problem. We should be more concerned with other forms of pollutions, such as PLASTICS, depleted uranium, hazardous materials, radioactive waste and so forth.

Oh, and you know those nice energy saving bulbs? The inside of one is the equivilent to a toxic waste dump! No joke.

Originally posted by shrunkensimon

-Global climate has changed on its own in the past, before polluting humans arrived

True. And people died naturally long before guns were invented. Does that mean that if you shoot someone in the head, you're not responsible for their death?

-95% of CO2 comes from natural sources

I think it's more than that. But the carbon cycle means all that naturally produced CO2 gets removed. Trouble is, every year, less and less is getting removed, whilst human produce more and more. If you have a tub full of water, with a taps flowing in at the same rate as a hole let water flow out, you have equilibrium. What happens when you start adding a thimble full of extra water?

But then, CO2 is only one little part of climate change.

-The Earths magnetic field is decreasing rapidly

Is it? And so what?

-All the planets in our solar system are experiencing climate shift now

No their note. But oddly we have recently discovered that some other planets experience seasonal climate changes etc - just like Earth.

-Cows fart out more greenhouse gases than you could possibly imagine. Gonna kill all the cows? Change their diet

Cows produce methane. methane levels levelled off in the 1990s. It's not really an issue. Besides, all the animals we've made extinct over the millenia also produced methane. It's a red herring.

Global Warming is nothing more than a control mechanism to enslave us even more than we are now. You will have to pay more taxes, which won't even make a shred of difference. Under new rules, Africa will be prevented from ever developing etc..

Global warming has been taken over by politicians, yes. Doesn't mean it isn;t real though. And if Africa didn't prevent itself from developing, climate change on the continent could be reduced. As it is, Africa is causing it's own extinction event by destroying it's own climate regulator - the rain forest.

Honestly, greenhouse gases are NOT a problem. We should be more concerned with other forms of pollutions, such as PLASTICS, depleted uranium, hazardous materials, radioactive waste and so forth.

I agree. But that doesn't change the fact we're causing climate change - and destroying the environments we need to live in.

Oh, and you know those nice energy saving bulbs? The inside of one is the equivalent to a toxic waste dump! No joke.

Well, maybe the insides of several billion are But are you saying it's better to use filament lightbulbs which cost more to run? I guess you;re another of those with money to burn?

No, we are not causing climate change.. you need to stop using stupid analogies that bare no relevance to climate. A bath tub is a little less complex than the interaction between us, Earth, our atmosphere, and the Sun.

The decrease in Earths magnetic field means less sheilding from the radiation of space and the Sun. Thus, you will get a slight warming effect from the increased energy coming in, but not because the greenhouse layer is "trapping" heat.

Also, your statement about Africa i won't even respond too, because that is just plain insulting.

If you can't see that global warming is a big fat scam, then you are no better than those who still think 9/11 was commited by Osama. There is plenty of evidence to show that the current climate shift is being caused by other factors, and not humans.

Global Warming is half baked science. There are many scientists who recognise this, and have spoken up about it.

You also need to remember that mainstream media is controlled.. they only push the stories which are of benefit to the leaders/globalists. And global warming is one of them.

Hey Shurkensimon, if you have nothing to contribute to the questions I asked, stay off the thread. Please. We already heard that quack before so you can go away now. Thank you.

I answered your question already. No, i won't do anything, because there is no reason too! And no, i'll post in here if i want. I don't want to see peopel get sucked into yet another scam.. the "War on Global Warming"..

Also, its not quack. You just haven't realised that your wrong yet Do some more research instead of just jumping on the bandwagon of half science.

Oh, one more thing;

Tell me why ANYONE should give a damn about Global Warming? Why is it the individuals responsibility? If its anyones job to change, its industry and government! You mite also want to realise that Americas "way of life" will have to end if you want to be true to "fighting climate change", because at present, America is the most inefficient nation on the planet.

We can not continue our current paradigm and be green. It won't work. The governments know this, but they don't care, because there are still people out there like you who buy their distorted truths and half baked politically motivated science.

Green taxes and being slightly greener will do absolutely nothing to stop any climate chage... your just allowing yourself to be ripped off even more than you are now.

That is all.