A Global Issue

There has been a glut of threads of late about rising up against so-and-so, dying for one's country, forefathers this, impeach that... But how many of you really know what the true issues are? As someone who has been watching this issue for years, it somewhat infuriates me that Johnny-come-lately's are arriving on the scene, finally having been driven to a point where they are so pissed off thoughts of drastic change cross their minds, yet they come to the table bringing small minded concepts like nationalist introspective flag waving BS with them, which pollutes the point of this need for change.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. This fight to which all of you seem to be pledging your lives to is not soley an issue for a particular nation: it is a struggle which has many fronts across the face of our planet: nations, ideologies, science, business, media. By all means, do it for your country, but you should realise that you are also doing it for your planet. These people, who many refer to as the NWO, have spent centuries creating GLOBAL Networks of power. Consider it a Hydra: you cut off one head, it will regenerate. You must face them on all fronts or they will outflank you. Remember: they are masters at the art of conning people. They have seen you coming, so fight smart, not just hard.

Grabbing your guns will not be the sole answer to your issues, and I commend those here who look also at political and science angles. I propose to you all that to win you need at least these three key weapons:

Information
Will
Wisdom

The Net is the greatest weapon ever given to the People of Earth. Can you not see that 'They' are desperately trying to put it under regulation? They have seen that it is a great means to exchange information, and an educated, enlightened People scares them. In fact, it could be said that the Net is the greatest mistake they made. Use it to its greatest potential. Speak to the peoples of other nations, gain ideas and views from elsewhere, it will only add to your firepower.

The WIll is unquestionable among many of us, but the fact is, that many of the newly awakened didn't give a damn until their own goldfish bowls were being rocked by the Elites. A perfect example of this being the people who seem only to have become dissidents regardiing this gun issue, a large amount of those people being the same people who used to call people like myself traitors and hippies (Lefties was an old fave of mine). I hate to say we told you so, but the fact is, we did. So while I am pleased to see you have woken up, albeit it partially, I am wondering: how many of you will follow through to the end? And how many of you are motivated purely for selfish reasons?

I encourage you again to be aware of the larger picture: have the wisdom to see what you need to see to succeed. Being introspective will give them a weapon against you. Utilise all avenues open to you,and be aware that one way alone will NOT succeed.

Let me just finish by saluting those out there who will go for it, and who will do so for the right reasons, who see that this is a Global issue. They will be the people who will have the biggest impact, they are not blinded by nationalism, or religious BS, or ideaologies of a petty nature. They are not tricked by media magic.

Remember, we are all in this together. Good luck people.

Good post and nicely stated too, straight to the point

bumped for free

Meaning of life = Survival Through Information

The internet is the biggest revolution for mankind since we harnessed electricity... its just a shame we didn't get the internet back then, when Tesla gave us AC power. He wanted too you know..

Bumped for free also, great post

Good point, Terran, although a little simplistic. This is the whole idea behind the anti-globalization movement of the past few years... to fight the real threat to democracy and civil rights worldwide, as the despotic forces who are threatening the people are acting waaayyy above national borders and governmental level. The fight still must be brought on a global scale to succeed against Them, as it has Their own personal playground for financial and political tyranny.

This is what's happening right now with the SPP (Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America), a front of what some may call the "NWO", and it's happening right under our nose, in near-total bureaucratic obscurity. The next action against their Plan will be on August 20-21 2007, in Montebello, Canada (between Montreal and Ottawa). Put this in your agenda, fellows from south of the border!

i'm not sure this needs a comment but instead to be flagged and read by others BUMP

Thanks for the angle. It's always encouraging to read this sort of post.

Unfortunately, WE are to blame for the way our country is. Everyone sets off to the side hoping things will get better but they never do and they never will. WE sat on the sidelines while new presidents and senators and representatives were elected by us that were corrupt or didn't have any backbone. They preached change to get us to vote for them but delivered nothing but more taxes and unenforceable laws.

The voice of the people has been heard with every poll that is taken that shows that WE don't approve of what the president and our government is doing but THEY continue to do it because WE don't do anything about it.

Now, how do WE fix it? Vote more idiots into office? It seems that every president since Reagan that has been in office has only done what they wanted to for their own end and not the end of the people.

So continue preaching the good word. Maybe, just maybe, someone will hear you.

The world is the battle ground, our country is our fair share of the fight, but eventually we'll need to look at the bigger picture. For since the dawn of what time we are told of ,they have been our kings, our profets, our saviors, and even our gods. We must end them and simultaniously restore ourselves. I wonder if one must preceed the other?

Immediately Anti-Flag's "Tearing down the Border" popped into my head, if you like punk, check out that song its all about what the OP said.

But back to this idea, I agree, But, what the heck can we do without organization? And with almost everything being monitored now, how could we organize?

Excellent Terran Blue,
Before I begin I have Been a Terran since Feb of 1971, and I have never met another Terran so that is great for me, And you definately seem to be blessed with the spirit of the truth.
The fight Has a billions of fronts or more worldwide- these are the people- which- are for the most part are the "Unorganized Truth" Who for myriads of reasons cannot combat, will not combat, cannot get over pacification, indifferance, ignorance combined with being led by stupidity. Most Americans Could not spot a problem, let alone identify it as something that is in any way wrong or illicit. To say that America is ran on fear nowadays is a vast understatement.The Internet is indeed a battleground, but the damage that insanity, ignorance has put and fortified its current lock on the overal stasis of the internet web. Let look for instance At this most wonderful website Above Top Secret, and the many others like it who' aim it is to educate in the true truth, and to expose the prescribed fraud most often found in the mainstream media. with members within the hundreds of thousands of people range.
on the other hand MYspace, You Tube Etc.Etc. numbers in the millions, usually there for more of the same mess, nonsense that they've been told to absorb as gospel on the Tell-lie-vision. Religion is no Different, it all chattels people, it all diminishes their ability to think for themselves.(critically) And im not speaking against religion here, just the machine mechanism of it and what it accomplishes through non spiritual means, that makes it by its own action no different than, an army (invading) an invasive television, computer, radio, laying a yellow brick road in an already stagnant moat minded society, to Where? Unbelievably more ignorance, Deep entrenched ignorance is really as large as the universe, - and that is key, That is the largest weapon against the opulent it can always get worse, and most will never identify it as a problem to even think about dealing with it. Thats the first fight on Millions of fronts at least here in America.

It is a global issue.
Only one year ago if someone said to me "the war in Iraq is wrong" I would have said "it's not wrong it's very good, Bush is an action man and will cleanse the world of terrorists"
Then I discovered that there is more to the internet, and I found out many things (about 9/11, NWO, the environment, life in the third world countries, the banking system), and I posted them on many boards, I don't care if most of the people will make fun of what I post , it's good to put information everywhere, so people see it.



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Agreed. I never quite thought it possible to fight back, but if from every possible, with ALOT of support, it could be done. Great thread!!! I'll be watching this one for a long time!!!

However I have a question:

This is what's happening right now with the SPP (Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America), a front of what some may call the "NWO", and it's happening right under our nose, in near-total bureaucratic obscurity. The next action against their Plan will be on August 20-21 2007, in Montebello, Canada (between Montreal and Ottawa). Put this in your agenda, fellows from south of the border!

I'm curious about this group and these meetings. Could someone embelish a little about them??

Yes the net is the greatest to of information,but simply sitting here talking about how crappy our world has become accomplishes nothing whatsoever.

Change comes by informing poeple wich the internet is great for,but information without action is useless.

The current administration has shown us that holding them accountable for spying on us,making protest zones and freezing assets,covering up the murder of a soldier,tricking a nation into a war for profit and permanent U.S presence around the world,scarying us more than the terrorists them selves is a up hill battle.hell with all the executive orders,not allowing poeple to testify,witholding documents it is damm near impossible.

Rigged elections,denying the American poeple's wishes its all to much.

Good question Newyorkee.Terran Blue, I have been a Terran since Feb. of 1971, and I have never met anyone named Terran, so that is great for me today and especially a Fellow Terran that is blessed to be charged with exposing the truth. It is true here as stated by a few others that the key to this is the internet, this is true to an extent, the real key is for people of understanding to understand this, understand on a global level that ignorance is infinate as the universe which houses it, theres no stopping the spread of ignorance or is there? lets check the even low level facts, very high level educational communities such as Above Top Secret, and many others, and thank God for them. The numbers of rank and file members, on the web , in the regular world, paralell each other, as with television, P.B.S. and the like vs. mainstream media, and other garbage tv. ,Radio just the same. In my opinion At least here in America most (many) citizens are just entrenced in a standard of ignorance on many facets of society, this begins when most public school goals are met when a child can recite the Pledge of Allegiance in preeschool, taught to become a parrot,sheep,guard dog, whatever the situation may call for. (strata)(programmed) This is on a millions of fronts level, Billions the people are the fronts, And not to Gas any fire the Church must take a role and responsibility to reverse the nonsense it has in many times instigated throughout history, it must come clean with its subjects. Till then theres problems. You Tube, Myspace have millions of minds touch their pages daily, and for the most part they run to the most stagnant moat minded sections of these communities, We few hundred thousand here at ATS are charged with reaching and teaching , liberating minds in this cinderblock brained society(for the most part) its like a dual reality, the same large corporations have the largest parts of the web funnelling the sheep, with revenues from ringtones to everything else funding itself in never ending ignorance.(and we just chew it up, the list goes on and on.(bottled water, Immunizations,Gas)Etc.Bling, And this is on the lowest levels. And not nearly recognized as a problem, let alone problems to be fixed. For real there are absolutely too many trees in the way for people to see the forest and those that can see the forest over there dont know how to walk around trees or somthing. So jeez when you start talkin corrupt, govt, ufo's,fight for human rights, bring home the troops.curing aids, (it wasnt invented to cure)(At least to be known to society) homelessness, poverty, its like fighting shape shifting Skrulls at every turn. Protected oftentimes by a blind middle class protector of the rich which are the police depts., and military. AS in the outside world areas of exchange such as this site are the unorganized truth , as viewed by the Dominant ignorant but organized lie member, I believe someone earlier stated that organization was key.(or even how to organize?), for instance why cant anyone ask president Bush daily about his mission accomplised speech,"daily" on even these obvious simple levels its a frustrating fight. It truly does start with each of us. WE the people are truly to blame when the denial is gone.
Yorkees question couldnt be be more true but if the fight has to be waged since it exhist on all levels at all times it must be fought there on all levels at all times. (at least on as many levels a person can recognize), i think that is some level of elevation to the individual to educate is to arm against deciet. We here in America I will truthfully say today We live under Good Despotism if there can be such a thing, either that or is it flat out despotism? Were just told its good for us. And you didnt even go to Black budgets , illuminatti, Knights of malta,masons, Dulce, cfr, etc.etc, imagine getting the effects of some of these orgs. the truth about 911, etc.

stay vigilant
terran

I have an idea. The only problem is that I don't want to put it in this topic that's open for anyone to see and I can't sent private messages yet since I need to have 20 public post in order to do this...

Great posts, and great topic.

At some point these type of disscussions will be branded as terrorism, and here they come. The lines of our freedoms are getting blurry. Remember it's how you define the word "is".

I'm in total agreement that the problems are global, and they are on many fronts.

Very well said OP.

we should remember our reality is not everyones. Action and change follow information and education.

When you think illuminati, NWO, secret society you think other people, other guys, bad guys, but guess what?

Look in the mirror because it is you. Every time you mortgage a house, lease a car, buy cloths, computers, TV's, buy process foods, buy gasoline, buy anything produced in the industrial world you are voting for the orders above. Orders created and re-enforced by you daily.

Think about it, very simple. People damn others to hell, but the next moment they are plugged back into the matrix buying more, spending more than they have, and then complain about the system they are part of.

What to do? Stop pointing fingers at others and take a long hard look at yourself, your life style and how it relates to everything.

Most people will not want to hear my post or even acknowledge they are any part of something that has gone wrong, but unfortunately we are all a part of it. Myself included.

Just my take.



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projectsilo I am glad that you found Terrans thread, I instantly thought of you and the thread you made eairler today while reading this.

Terran keep up the great thoughts. You are so right and it is good to hear you voice your oppinions.

I think the OP makes some very good points even though I may not agree with the ends.

Im more with Realtruth on this NWO thing. I think the NWO (or "they" for the sake of this discussion) are like a very large and fast moving train. "They" have alot of momentum and weight, which is being fed every minute by "us", the way Realtruth discribes.

I believe that "they" exsist, and that "they" will grow out of control, so to speak. However, what will happen when "they" are stopped. Who, or what will replace "them"? Will this just be a never ending cycle? What is it that the resistance movement is fighting for, in the end? Utopia? Can humans handle that you think?