Iran buys 250 long-distance Sukhoi fighter-bombers, 20 fuel tankers, from Russia

Whats with all this "US better bring more F22s to the fight" i see here? F-15C is still operational.. i would take it over the Su-30. Regardless... And just how will Iran keep these planes taxied on there air fields? You can damn well bet your ass that we will bomb the # out of there air fields. b2 anyone?

lol @johnsky

First of all we wont be going toe to toe.This will be a air war,and the Iranians know that hence this huge amount of aircraft being purchased.Isreal and the us will mop the floor with them very quickly,our airforce's combined with attack ships and Isrealy missiles.Umm gg Iran in a short period of time.

And were not gonna have boots on the ground so we end up with Iraq #2 thats just commen sense.We will work behind the scenes and put someone in power who will work with us.And of course tap some of that lovely oil,after all were the oil crusaders heh.

When it comes down to the aircraft,technology and skill reign supreme.In this case the U.S has both.Of course we will lose some,it is war but they will lose all of theirs.

Originally posted by West Coast
Whats with all this "US better bring more F22s to the fight" i see here? F-15C is still operational.. i would take it over the Su-30. Regardless... And just how will Iran keep these planes taxied on there air fields? You can damn well bet your ass that we will bomb the # out of there air fields. b2 anyone?

If this deal is really true then i wont put my money just on F-15's or the 18's the USN is carrying, if the loss of life is important for you. This flanker is pretty much newer and more advanced then a f-15c. And if this deal goes through for the next 5 years or so then those hornets has to be replaced anyhow by F-35's
But still i have my doubt about the truth of this news, if they want serious russian help in the buildup of their airforce they better get the russians back in the "integral" program of the shafaq lightattack/stealth fighter or invest their money in that program..Then they could build as much as the budget allows them to.

[edit on 29-7-2007 by Foppezao]

Iranian Leadership: Hmmm...full disclosure of our nuclear program to prove its for peaceful purposes or buy 250 aircraft that will ultimately be demolished and a waste of money.

Looks like they chose the latter. And folks wonder what is wrong with their leadership?

The last time NATO forces actually faught ANY other Air force was in 1998-99 campaign over Kosovo. America even lost it's first Stealth fighter.

Nato has confirmed the loss of its first plane in its campaign against Yugoslavia as the alliance steps up its assault on the country over the Kosovo crisis.

Bombing resumed after the pilot of the US F-117 Stealth fighter was rescued, and new explosions were reported on Sunday in Belgrade and south west of the capital.

US President Bill Clinton pledged that the air operations would progress as planned despite the downing of the F-117 - the first Stealth jet to be lost in combat.

Now we can debate whether the BBC was telling the turth or not in 1999, or we lost it only because of stupid flight routes,but this was not the only aerial unit we lost there.

After the war, the alliance reported the loss of three helicopters and five aircraft[citation needed]—all of them American, including the first U.S. stealth plane (a F-117 stealth fighter) ever shot down by enemy fire.

A strike force consisting of six Eagles J22 (left photo), two MIG 21s, and one Seagull G4 (right) was assembled at the Ponikve airport. At about 1PM on Sunday April 18, they took off from the Ponikve airport ready to pounce on NATO planes at the Tuzla airport, a 25 to 30 minute-flight. They flew low and arrived undetected by the Tuzla radar, which was sabotaged by a local Serb sympathizer. Even the AWAC surveillance plances failed to notice them until they were only 6 miles from Tuzla, too late for the NATO aircraft to take off. The Serb Air Force squadron struck at exactly 1:30PM.

According to Major Gavrilovic, who piloted one of the Eagles, he released his bombs on a group of damaged NATO planes on the ground, then turned around and came back to attack the helicopters, too. He was followed by three more Eagles who unloaded their deadly cargo to select targets. Two remaining Eagles stayed behind to mop up and hit the NATO planes getting ready to take off, as well as the eight fighter jets that had just arrived in Tuzla on April 8. The two MIGs and the Seagull finished off the NATO sitting ducks with missiles and machine gun strafing.

The entire action over Tuzla took about 15 minutes. One of the Eagles was downed on the return flight to base by a ground-to-air missile, killing its pilot, Lt. Col. Mihailo V. from Kragujevac. The other eight Serbian Air Force aircraft returned to the Ponikve airport. A MIG damaged by a ground-to-air missile, flown by Major Zeljko M. from Novi Sad, was forced to an emergency landing some six miles from the Ponikve runways.

Confirmed damage assessment at the Tuzla airport was 17 NATO aircraft and three rescue helicopters destroyed. Some unofficial observers claim that 21 NATO airplanes and three helicopters were destroyed, and that the subsequent ammunition and fuel explosions also took two out two transport aircraft. What reportedly caused special outrage among the NATO "supermen" was the loss of 11 of its officers, pilots and ground air force personnel in this raid alone.

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Yes of course now perhaps the planes were not taken out in the air, but they were initially damaged while flying by mere "guerilla fighters, insurgents". This was a tiny country of ten million that was surrounded by NATO forces and was able to bite back pretty good for its size. It did not possess the industrial capacity Iran has now to produce and acquire better military forces, but it did what it did with very little to work with.

Tell me exactly how well trained American and Israelie air forces actually are than anyone else if they have not actually fought another air-force since probably what, WW2 and the Mid East war? Vietnam? Nope, just bombed the hell out of ground targets. Libya? Nope, ujuts bomed the hell out of ground targets. Iraq 1991? Was not much to for them to do there either.

I am not saying Iran would win, not that another military conflict between players like this would leave any winners. All I am saying is some of yall are putting too much thinking that our forces are invincible with forcefields. You can train all day and night for months and years on end for a ground combat operation, but when it coems to the real deal, it is something completely different. Works the same with any Aerial or Naval campaign.

A simulation can produce whatever results the simulators want it too. Reality produces results that may never have even been thought of in a simulation. It is just too random, spontaneous, and uncontrolled to yield to desired statistics.

Its obvious your going to lose one or two,cmon man its war...............

But in the end the us would mop the floor with Iran period.Technology and skill = bye bye Iran.Our boys are getting lots of flight time dropping bombs in Iraq,I'm sure iranian air fields would be one of the first to be their new stomping ground.So the few jets that do make it up should be downed pretty easy with superior numbers and technology.

Droping bombs sure is excellent training isnt it, especially when there is nothign firing back from the ground right? ohh yea, that is going to help alot in the middle of an air - air surprise combat operation. Remember how big and mountainous Iran is. We could easily send a bombing squad to go after an air-field, only to realize the planes were hiding in large cave-like bunkers in the mountains that took off as soon as we dropped our payload on dummy units in an empty airfield, and will be meeting you head to head in the first real-war direct air challenge since WW2.

Like I stated before, simulations will just produce statistics. Reality tends to produce whatever it wants to, because it is not bound to variables, is random and spontanious, and has no mercy. Better to just talk it out, and drop the violent tendencies.

[edit on 7/31/2007 by DYepes]

Maybe its just me, but why are you even discussing "wow those f-22s will PWN the MIGs hahaha 11!!"?
So you agree with the unprovoked invasion of another country? It´s Irak all over again, what did Iran ever do?
Do you even know what the Irak war is costing american taxpayers?

Whatever, carry on...

lol yea its called b2's and missiles form attack ships taking out all radar and communication.So yea there would be shooting at us,blindly.

Also if you think back there was plenty of return fire when we first ivaded Iraq.The sky was lit up with anti air round remember?

so again i repeat myself,GG IRAN.

And attacking iran is not un provoked they make rash statements every other week.not to mention killing thousand of U.S troops via IEDS,I would hardly say it is unprovoked.

Ohh the mighty B-2's eh? The closest ones are no doubt stationed in Europe, no doubt Russia knows exactly which airbases have them stationed. I am sure they would love nothing more than to watch US get a painful 1.2 billion dollar loss in a single shot. The Iranians do have eyes in the sky, and if they know where to point them, they can play dumb until they got the targets right where they want em.

I am sure the magic forcefields will protect them though. If the US attacks Iran, the Russians and the Chinese will be giving them all the under the table logistical data they need. Most idiots think Russia or China will get militarily invovled. Why do that when they can just whisper to the wind, and if anyone just hapens to hear it, well good for them.

Intelligence is key in modern warfare, and Iran has two of the biggest players on Earth feeding them. China gets discounted energy, Russia sells their weapons at a higher price. It will all just appears as good business, and excellent strategizing/luck by the Iranians to the public.

Please, spare us the rants and do not start talking about how we can bomb Russia and China simultaneously or move all our factories or whatever other silly scenarios you will conjure up to ensure this does not happen.

This is precesly why the US is not attacking.

your missing the point.Ok so e dont use b2s we jsut use missiles from attack ships.ok gg iran.all your rader adn anti air is taken out then the b2s take out the rest then alogn with jets.bb

Iran has a formidable NAVY as well, and Naval warafre can get much messier than even land or air battles. The battleships are going to have to defend themselves first before worrying about launching their payload onto inland targets. They got sunburn torpedos that WILL hit their targets, and armed UAV's that can buzz under the Radar in the middle of the turmoil, too small to notice until it is too late.

Look for eveyrthing you can come up with, it can be countered. this war is not going to happen no matter how hard some people might want it too. It has already been weighed out and decided. Its just politics now. the administration has to continue looking like it wants the fight to keep support from certain groups, but concessions and treaties have already been made behind closed doors in secret. What you are going to see followjng into the next election is more sabre-rattling until the next President (hopefully Obama) is inaugurated and the whole public focus will be on something copletely unrelated.

Im pretty sure any type/amount of pre-emptive strategic bombardment(land,sea or air) would decimate not more than half the Su-30 fleet, i.e. 120 a/c.

The problem lies in the fact that the US would have a bad time dealing with the remainder of these a/c.

And that's only if the element of surprise is on the US side.
If the Iranians pre-empt then its a whole new ball game.
It totally messes up any strategic decimation plans the US may have for this fleet of Su-30s

Originally posted by West Coast
Whats with all this "US better bring more F22s to the fight" i see here? F-15C is still operational.. i would take it over the Su-30. Regardless... And just how will Iran keep these planes taxied on there air fields? You can damn well bet your ass that we will bomb the # out of there air fields. b2 anyone?

Well that's if you're ok with kill ratios near about 1:1 or even 1:2 in favour of the Sukhois.
These ratios are a definite possibility against F-15C(with or w/o AESA) if the Su's have the right stuff and the right pilots/tactics.
If the Su's are the best package available then I'd be looking more at 1:2 or 1:3

Evereyone seems to forget that any Pre-emptive strike by the US would by no means be a surprise attack. The Iranians have their own satellite to feed them real time hostile movements, as well as all the locations they need to monitor for the launch of stealth aircraft provided by the Russians and Chinese.

The US will not get any planes into Iranian airpsace before they have already known about it. That is B2, F-117, and Raptors included.

Originally posted by DYepes
Evereyone seems to forget that any Pre-emptive strike by the US would by no means be a surprise attack. The Iranians have their own satellite to feed them real time hostile movements, as well as all the locations they need to monitor for the launch of stealth aircraft provided by the Russians and Chinese.

The US will not get any planes into Iranian airpsace before they have already known about it. That is B2, F-117, and Raptors included.

I seriously doubt that Iran will have access to near-realtime surveillance of US forces.
The Russians could sell it to them for really high prices.
This would give battlegroup positions and troop movements.
B-2 tracking through sat surv + longband passive listeners is another ballgame; something which the Russians probably are not willing to share with anyone let alone the Iranians.

i cannot believe poeple actually think Iran would have a chance.Yes they will be more of a resistence then Iraq was but to think they will cause mass loss in our military is emmm possible but not probable i will say.

Is everyone forgetting the US always has black projects.Imagine if we got to bust out and test the new whatever that is still highly classified oooo boy.

Also when thinking about war with Iran the only reason i get nervous is strong business ties with China and Russia.

double post in the heezy.

[edit on 1-8-2007 by Project_Silo]

Oh again the "Who will Win" topics.

I am sorry guys but am I the only one who questions the source? That's an Israeli website - great journalistic language like "..whose leaders want to wipe Israel off the map" - sorry, I am not buying that. They even didn't comment where they've got their intel from.

In my opinion that's pure propaganda, "fear creation" for the public, to support an preemptive strike against Iran.

"A lie, that's told day after day, becomes truth"

Correct me if im wrong but weren't people wringing their hands over the damage the the iraqi mig29's would do to our fighters during desert storm? I answer...although technically equal to the american fighters it was the expert training of the pilots that made the difference with the iraqi airforce hugging the desert sands trying to flee to iran!lol!

[edit on 1-8-2007 by Xfile]