Stratford Mass Sighting (Display Analysis)

I would like to begin by making it clear that it is not my intention to start the umpteenth thread on this extraordinary subject, however I have noticed most of the discussions regarding this have been on what the lights actually were. I would like to aim this thread towards a study of the meaning of message rather than the nature of the messenger(s). The link to the original story with pics & a video can be found here:

www.dailymail.co.uk...

In the most popular thread we've had 6 pages so far of hemming & hawing about whether it was aliens, floating oriental lanterns, new military aircraft or weapons systems, etc. If you are just itching to type the words 'lantern' or 'air show' then feel free to go there:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

To get anything useful out of this discussion I want you first to make an assumption. Let's assume for a moment that it was a nonhuman intelligence attempting to send us a simple picture message concerning something so important it would be necessary to write it in the sky. What's being said here?

Also, has anyone noticed yet that the center 3 lights form a straight line? In the video, once the formation is achieved the orbs hold a straight line for a lengthy period of time which rules out erratic behavior. Let's have a look at the original photo.



Sources for some of the texts cited above can be found here:

www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk...

xoomer.alice.it...

Galaga and Stargate aside, the similarities to ancient symbols are interesting. And the fact that in the display a single light approaches the rest on a straight-line trajectory is eye-opening.

Having seen the pics & video (and assuming a non-human intelligence was responsible), what message do you think was being conveyed in the Stratford display? Also what other similarities have you seen concerning the symbols, shapes & movements of the lights? And do you think there could be a link between this display and recent crop circles in the UK?


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[edit on 27/7/07 by Evasius]

I think the message being conveyed was

we
are
chinese
lanterns

See the triangle shape there?

Please stop making a mountain out of a molehill.

Originally posted by Chorlton
...
lanterns
...

You completely disregarded my entire introduction to this thread did you not? If this is a molehill I have more than an inkling who the 'mole' is.

Go back here: www.abovetopsecret.com... and illuminate & further pollute that thread with your lantern fetish.

Relevant posts please.

Tell me how a bunch of chinese lanterns can make & hold a formation in the sky for many minutes without moving.

Explain this miracle of physics or quit being a troll

Originally posted by Chorlton
I think the message being conveyed was

we
are
chinese
lanterns

See the triangle shape there?

Please stop making a mountain out of a molehill.

Chor,

Why don't you prove to us they are Chinese Lanterns, then this would come to an end?

I would like to know if you were there and saw this and what your expertise is?

Let members here look into this and see if they can come up with anything. The pictures and film I would think needs to be looked at by professionals, are you one?

Originally posted by wildone106
Tell me how a bunch of chinese lanterns can make & hold a formation in the sky for many minutes without moving.

Explain this miracle of physics or quit being a troll

I would suggest it is you that is trolling when this subject has been done to death and would also suggest you do a little bit of physics yourself before going into the realms of imagination

Before you posted your troll did you actually do any research into chinese lanterns? watch video of them or perhaps even seen them?

I have
I have seen chinese lanterns small enough to holde in your hand
I have seen them bigger than a human being.
Varying sizes go up at varying rates and some can and do attain amazing heights, so much so that in Malaysia 12 planes had to divert because of them.
news.bbc.co.uk...

Chinese lanterns have been recorded as high as 2000 Ft.
Temperature inversions/ lantern size and the size of the heat sorce can and do make them go up and incredibly different rates.
Temperature inversions can also cause them to practically stop all ascent.
Then again looking at them from ground level it is quite difficult to see much movement at all when they get above a certain height.

You see? I think I know a little bit more about Lanterns than you, having spent a lot of time in the far east where these things are let off practically every day in some parts.
Do some research before your imagination runs away with you again please.

www.theargus.co.uk...
www.watfordobserver.co.uk...
farshores.org...

AND FROM YOUTUBE
This is one of the best
www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...

I watched the video of those same lights. The four that ended up in a triangular pattern drifted into that shape after many minutes. The motion of all four was to the left slowly and they were changing location in the air as they did that. I don't know much about the one on the right - it seemed to act differently than the other four. It appeared to be drifting a bit faster to the left than the others.

The video of them wasn't too compelling. The people in the street kind of ignored them quite a bit. Especially the women. Heh - they would probably not stop talking to each other if a herd of water buffalo were walking down the street in front of them.

I think those lights were more of the same lanterns. The drift pattern in the video, the chance that they came together in a triangle for a short period and general lack of interest of most people out in the street makes me think this way.

I just dont see how a bunch of lanterns can maintain and HOLD a pattern in the sky, there's no way in hell they would just stay there in a precise formation like that. Each lantern would be subject to random gusts of wind and drift from each other and end up jumbled..sorry it just-does'nt-work.

Originally posted by bonaire
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Here's a video of your famous "chinese lanterns"
observe their random movements/bobbing with the wind currents as they rise and CHANGE directions which in no way resembles the UK lights video.


www.youtube.com...

Look at this! The lanterns are travelling UP together but look at their random bobbing movements, my goodness looks nothing like the UK lights.

www.youtube.com...

And none of these excellent examples 'STOP' in mid air and hold formation.

And this is what you skeptics are claiming are the UK lights? WHAT A JOKE.

Time to put it to bed....

Originally posted by wildone106
I just dont see how a bunch of lanterns can maintain and HOLD a pattern in the sky, there's no way in hell they would just stay there in a precise formation like that. Each lantern would be subject to random gusts of wind and drift from each other and end up jumbled..sorry it just-does'nt-work.

Originally posted by bonaire
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Random gusts of wind dont happen like that, if it blew one it would blow them all. And as stated (and Ive seen it loads of times) once they get to a certain height you cant realy discern much movement.
If it was a windless night and there was a slight temperature inversion at around 1000 ft they would move very slowly.

I would LOVE them to be saucers, aliens or whatever, but Ive seen this stuff just so many times in the far east I just dont even give them a second look now.

Read this

www.virtuallystrange.net...

And This

www.blather.net...

Originally posted by wildone106
Here's a video of your famous "chinese lanterns"
observe their random movements/bobbing with the wind currents as they rise and CHANGE directions which in no way resembles the UK lights video.
www.youtube.com...
Look at this! The lanterns are travelling UP together but look at their random bobbing movements, my goodness looks nothing like the UK lights.
www.youtube.com...
And none of these excellent examples 'STOP' in mid air and hold formation.
And this is what you skeptics are claiming are the UK lights? WHAT A JOKE.
Time to put it to bed....

For every Video you put up showing wind blowing them Ill put up two where they go up nice and slowly
How many of the have you actually seen in reallife, or even let go of?
Ive probably sent up over 500 of the things in my time in the far east.
Some do get blown around but most are let off on relatively windless nights and they drift up into the sky nice and slowly, depending on their size and how big the heat source is.

Watch the videos I posted...all the balloons appear to fly the same way from totally different locations/times..

watch it

Originally posted by Chorlton

Originally posted by wildone106
I

www.blather.net...

They cannot hold a formation like we're seeing in the those videos...
Your busted man, the videos PROVE it!!







Shut her down

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[edit on 27-7-2007 by wildone106]

Originally posted by wildone106
They cannot hold a formation like we're seeing in the those videos...
Your busted man, the videos PROVE it!! Shut her down

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[edit on 27-7-2007 by wildone106]

No my videos and photos prove you wrong as does my personal knowledge of these things
Knowledge which you dont have relying totally on a few Vids.

I know its soul destroying to admit that they arent flying saucers or aliens but youll have to live with it.
Tell you what why dont you scamper along to John Lears Conspiracy forums, They invent things nearly as good as you do.

Sorry bud, there's no chance in hell its lanterns, and if you are the expert go ahead and re-create the that UK sighting with your expertise exactly, since you imagine its so easy.


[edit on 27-7-2007 by wildone106]
No my videos and photos prove you wrong as does my personal knowledge of these things
Knowledge which you dont have relying totally on a few Vids.

I know its soul destroying to admit that they arent flying saucers or aliens but youll have to live with it.
Tell you what why dont you scamper along to John Lears Conspiracy forums, They invent things nearly as good as you do.

most are let off on relatively windless nights and they drift up into the sky nice and slowly, depending on their size and how big the heat source is.

You kinda screwed yourself there, you said they drift up nice & slowly..the UK lights are'nt drifitng up at all..they're stationary AND holding a perfect formation.

Damn...

Originally posted by wildone106
Sorry bud, there's no chance in hell its lanterns, and if you are the expert go ahead and re-create the that UK sighting with your expertise exactly, since you imagine its so easy.


[edit on 27-7-2007 by wildone106]

No my videos and photos prove you wrong as does my personal knowledge of these things
Knowledge which you dont have relying totally on a few Vids.

I know its soul destroying to admit that they arent flying saucers or aliens but youll have to live with it.
Tell you what why dont you scamper along to John Lears Conspiracy forums, They invent things nearly as good as you do.

Sorry 'bud' (cute use of the english language there) I never said it was easy. but given the right lanterns on the right night with the right wind conditions they will just hang there. Just like in that photo and many other photos and videos.

You are becoming a trifle boring now producing no new empirical evidence so Ill click the ignore button a POOF, your gone.
Bye.......... bud !!

Sorry double post please delete

[edit on 27/7/07 by Chorlton]

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In the most popular thread we've had 6 pages so far of hemming & hawing about whether it was aliens, floating oriental lanterns, new military aircraft or weapons systems, etc. If you are just itching to type the words 'lantern' or 'air show' then feel free to go there:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

To get anything useful out of this discussion I want you first to make an assumption. Let's assume for a moment that it was a nonhuman intelligence attempting to send us a simple picture message concerning something so important it would be necessary to write it in the sky. What's being said here?

i dont think the op wanted to have yet another thread about sky lanterns, while i do see what chorlton is saying i wish every one could stay on topic here.


p.s. not trying to be a mod here; i just want to see what this thread could come up with.


p.p.s i only agree with chorlton as far as faking pictures with sky lanterns.

One thing they are not are lanterns.
This guy is obsessed with lanterns. He probably has a house filled with them.

Lanterns wouldnt go into formation like that and also keep that perfect straight line that the OP shows. Also from that high up, they arent THAT visible, especially with colours like that.