CARET/Drones Debunked? – A “viral” fantasy

Hmmm. Research, unethical research. Times change. I age.

From a site in Canada U of Waterloo with Van Essen ties from way back in the FORTRAN early days and currently collaborating with Washington U. and The Brain Project.

Do these research goals "ring any bells"?
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Paraphrased:

"Provides a novel characterization of population-temporal coding that combines population vectors with linear decoding of neural spikes;

Unifies linear control theory with biologically plausible models of neural function;

Provides a general way to generate circuits that have analytically determined synaptic weights that provide the desired functionality;

Promotes the formulation of specific hypotheses about circuit function and about key design constraints."
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Um, what were we hypothesizing about goals? Hat trick plus one?

Cheers,

Vic

EDIT: I was researching LM-H... nice career.
Is she aware of the date problems with the Isaac email?

Has anyone asked about this? How long would it be reasonable to wait for clarification before inquiring?

I suspect an individual who has a history of communicating with LM-H might have a better chance of success than "just anybody". Oh well.

[edit on 29-7-2007 by V Kaminski]

Once I finish up some prodjects aroiund the house, hopefully I will be able to creat a timeline and do some further hunting. Tomato plants and the garden come first!

I did accidently find a website that at first glance just seemed weird, but the whole idea of a website that is just about the hype, and how events like this "drone meme" will probably happen more frequently to further advance the bar when it comes to hype.

Like the 'accidental' bomb hype regarding the Aqua Teen Lightbright LED ads...
You can pay enough for the amount of hype that got. It went from being an obscure cartoon to worldwide news....

Anyway, check out what people are doing trying to win $3000 and help create hype for:
www.supervirals.com...

Keep up all the great brain storming!
DocMoreau

I haven't read though the thread to see if this has been done already, but I have made a RAR of the video on Youtube, a copy of the fortunecity site, and a copy of the PDF document; just in case anything and everything CARET is mysteriously gone one day.

If anyone is interested in this file, let me know, and ill upload it to a hosting provider

[edit on 7/29/2007 by prototism]

Thanks PT - welcome aboard...

As of this evening, barely 3 days since uploading the original OP document, the site has had OVER 1,000 HITS, and the CARET Programme /pdf has been downloaded 415 times!

So it seems that there are at least FOUR HUNDRED others that have downloaded and saved a copy of this document for themselves.

I ask (again) - who are they and what do they think?

They watch - they listen - they read... But WHY? WHO?

[edit on 7/30/2007 by Outrageo]

Originally posted by Outrageo
I ask (again) - who are they and what do they think?

That's an astute observation in the form of a question. I love it. Oh, I think that's what "they" are interested in... too. As BX put it "turn the tables"?

We might consider a related links table? No commentary - just links... plain old public links port:80 with data at the end of them? No big descriptions... no names? Just a stroll through the 'hood in the "dark". Sometimes they lead places. Nah... easier to study them studying us; for now. Wouldn't it be interesting if "they" lead "us" to really unusual places, like their masters masters?

Does anyone know LM-H well enough to give her a ring and or email and ask, "What's the deal with the Isaac email date thing?" This Bennett fellow creeps-me-out. And does anyone know a steganographic crypto whiz? Why does brain mapping require it's own unique alphabet? And why is all that network map and brain map stuff so graphic oriented?

Even if the drones were a completely separate and unrelated matter I find that studying them has indeed led to some learning about what's going on at the high end of network awareness and the combining of skills from medicine and brain mapping to that of neural networks and networks of communication in general. I'm a node, are you?

"Who are they and what do they think?", Outrageo. Priceless.

Fun!

Vic

[edit on 29-7-2007 by V Kaminski]

Yes, Vic... Under a microscope we are sitting, I have no doubt.

Motives are not so clear (yet), but M.O. is less obscure than before. Sometimes I feel like we're a bunch of loosely-connected independent Sherlock's traipsing through the 'net with our magnifying glass in one hand, a mouse in the other.

What we need is a few more Doc Watsons!

No worries: the grindstone will be waiting for us after this full moon has set...

As always, thanks for your dedicated interest...

BYW: The LMH/Steganographer angle is worth pursuing - I'll get on it...

[edit on 7/30/2007 by Outrageo]

The .pdf I just read was opinionated and uninformed but well constructed and worthy of further thought which has sparked this thread.

What bothers me is the fact that there isn't a central source that holds all of the data in one place where we can all draw reference from. How am I going to keep reading all of these concepts and dive in with them when I don't even think everyone here realizes all of the ties that bond this whole subject together or even agrees on a number of issues.
I'm referring to the sheer number of pictures, audio testimony, possible Disclosure Project witness match, expert opinions, websites hit and the way they were hit and how it's gone from there.

Let's say this is an infectious attack on our digital culture and someone is studying how we react and how it spreads and affects the populace. Right now what's happening is everyone here is running around like ants in an ant farm building our own tunnels going whatever direction we wish to go. This has become LARGE in it's scope so to dissect it and see what someone is trying to "learn" from us then we need to collectively be on the same page to fight back. What I mean by fighting back is to see exactly what is happening from an "aerial" point of view instead of being a part of the ant farm. I think once we can all understand a time-line combined with pivotal debate points compared, then we will be able to truly continue with the meme discussion without it being purely speculative. From there not only will we have affected whatever mining is going on but it may be possible to control it in a fashion.

Can you tell that I'm BEGGING for someone to host a space where we could start putting everything together to use as a point of reference instead of continually adding onto a never ending discussion? Springer.. could ATS host a folder by some chance? I'd be willing to help as i'm sure others would as well.

I still believe that something in all of this is real and the Disclosure Project Witness testimony sealed that for me. However I do not know how much can be believed now. I'm not even sure it CAN be deciphered all the way, but I do know that whatever psyche attack or data mining is going on, we need to put everything together in one place, pick it apart with direct references, testimonies and expert opinions that we mainly agree upon and then analyze THEM.. whoever THEY may be. the only way to do that is as a unit. A military unit or a marketing unit has a game plan. We do not. We have a discussion board but it's separated by page counts and opinions that aren't cohesive.

I'm actually enjoying this discussion again now that it's gotten back to how it should have gone. While I doubt that my wish here will be fulfilled, I do believe it would help with not only this subject, but future ones as well. If we don't document this then whoever is using us will "win" I also believe that a central ATS source would draw other minds as well as involve present minds who may not feel in tune enough to speak up.

b

Bspiracy:
This has become LARGE in it's scope so to dissect it and see what someone is trying to "learn" from us then we need to collectively be on the same page to fight back. What I mean by fighting back is to see exactly what is happening from an "aerial" point of view instead of being a part of the ant farm. I think once we can all understand a time-line combined with pivotal debate points compared, then we will be able to truly continue with the meme discussion without it being purely speculative. From there not only will we have affected whatever mining is going on but it may be possible to control it in a fashion

Much agree.

Though I think it would take some skillful distillation of the essentials in one thread/doc with an even briefer 'EXECUTIVE SUMMARY.'

I'm just getting ready for a new semester of teaching I don't think I can volunteer soon for such tasks. But I'd be happy to help polish such docs.

I think it needs to be combined but broken up into major facets, themes, issues, factors and perspectives. I think a good outliner organizing all such logically with cross references would be essential.

Seems to me we need teams to collect and combine as well as teams for each major subsection . . . maybe an outlining team . . . and an oversight editing team of the whole thing.

That's a quite a number of personnel at a minimum of a 2-3 people per team.

Just pondering . . . my $0.02.

I know it can seem frustrating at times, but I do think progress continues to be made. It hasn't really been that long. Compared to GhostRaven's three days of fame, I suppose the Droinos are a long-term study. Maybe that's part of the frustration. GR was spit out, tied-up, and delivered on a spit ready for the sauce in 72 hours. That was a satisfying piece of work, however frenzied. Yee-Haw! Get a rope! Compared to that, this is long, but compared to Titor or Serpo, we're already closing in on it.

It's like we started on this highway that quickly became congested. We were going in a zillion directions at once, over-talking/posting each other on multiple threads. But then folks started heading for the exits. Paracast bailed on CGI alone. Then Mufon bailed. Our bretheren elsewhere we're beginning to take a stand. Although C2C is still mega-watt screaming real, frankly, so what? Their rep is well paved, well earned. No surprises there, really. There was a spacecraft behind Hale-Bopp, too. And "Dr." Reed kept an alien in his freezer. They have a Kool-Aid dispenser in their break room.

Here on ATS we've gone from CGI/no it's not more to real/no it's not and actually gone our separate ways. One other thread is still active and seemingly directionless stuck in yes/no arguments. We have collectively rejected deciphering, transforming. and several other possibilities. This thread has made a stand. It's BS, but we don't know why--yet.

Still, that's progress. Our Monitors must see they have not succeeded in pulling the populace as a whole along the real path they intended. Not only ATS as a whole but Ufology as a whole. We're not buying it. We're sniffing at their heels. The road is much less congested than it was. There are open lanes. We can go as fast as we want without regurgitating the 'old' arguments. (CGI/NOT: Meh? Who cares?) They can keep us guessing just by keeping quiet. Perhaps we scared them into doing that. Perhaps they're in a cave saying, "Well, that didn't work. Whadda we do now?"

Just wanted to shove some optimism in. Vic, you're hinting. Puppy Cookie for you if you tell us what you're sniffing. Oops! Moses heard that.

P.S. Here's a summary document that may be of interest.

[edit on 7/30/2007 by schuyler]

Thanx for that summary link schu'. It will help a bunch in trying and make order of some really seriously arranged chaos without replicating the voids-- albeit... the calendar must advance, all be it-- vague.

With contributions such as this nifty timeline at least in my own mind the events are a bit clearer. The "1977" fits immediately. I will look at it more this evening.

I was prowling about and Van Essen's neurotree organization listing is impressive. He's in the center of a great many minds publicly... perhaps more privately. Seems quite the deal-broker. He sits on several boards and advisory councils at the highest of levels most funded by NIH and it's sub-groups. A for instance link. There's tons more.

Can anyone produce a verifiable photo of Ping Gu in relation to Washington U. in St. Louis? Has Linda Moulton-Howe explained the Isaac email discrepancies?

More later--

Vic

EDIT: GhostRaven? Huh? LOL.

[edit on 30-7-2007 by V Kaminski]

I’m late at the party and I’ve brought no beer!!

All this drone stuff reminds me of the more elaborate crop-circles that we see on occasion. They are beautiful and awe-inspiring works. A great deal of planning and hard work has gone in to their formation and yet the creator’s choose anonymity! The elation they achieve derives from the prolonged and diverse public reaction to their ‘installation’. This thrill is far greater than any applause or other temporary public approval the creator/s would achieve if they owned up to the work and offered provenance. That would be short-lived celebrity followed by mistrust and the demise of crop-circle interest. Revealing the trick kills the trick.

Likewise, the drone is a wonderful work of art. Indeed, when I first saw it I thought that an objet d’art is what it may be. The cgi certainly fooled me – I thought it was a photograph of a real, physical object that had been manipulated to give the impression of flight. Being no expert on the subject I take the word of our resident experts that the device is indeed cgi.

The device is such a fabulous and strange design that its image is strong enough to impinge itself into the dreams of many people (me included). Kudos here for the creator. Having said that, the drone may be an aesthetic object but there is an element of unkindness in the creator’s personality. ‘Chad’s’ write-up of his ‘encounter’ gives the impression that the device may be menacing and dangerous – it left him feeling unwell and with a headache – he was concerned about the effect it may have on his wife’s pregnancy. So right off the bat the creator is implying that the drone is a potential threat (from which he will ultimately save us, no doubt). He shows us this wonderful thing then makes us fear it.

But is it all the work of one person? Perhaps ‘Isaac/Chad/Rajman’ etc is a single individual behind a keyboard uploading tasty morsels into the ether and delighting in the feeding frenzy that follows. On the other hand it could be a small cell of co-operating activists, or even unrelated groups getting in on the action with their own imitative contributions.

If it is organised I feel it may be nothing more than viral performance art where the observers are the performers, or a psychosomatic University experiment where the spectator is the cavea porcellus. (A similarly themed experiment took place in Australia recently)

We are making the drone monster grow by the process of trying to track down the mad doctor who created it! And I bet the doc is fully aware of the hunt and thoroughly enjoying the chase.

“Igor! The chains, pull the chains!!”

What next? A photograph of a crashed drone debris field?



Vic, I think you linked to the wrong Colin Bennett earlier. This Colin Bennett is the author of Looking For Orthon (Adamski bio) and An American Demonology (UFOs) amongst other things. His publisher (of the latter) is a long-time friend of mine.

Originally posted by torsion
What next? A photograph of a crashed drone debris field?

Superb question. Thusfar, the drone stuff has continued to increase in complexity as we watched.

I would suggest that at this point, we might expect some kind of physical material or artifact to make its appearance. It really seems like the next logical step.

(He rubs his temples as he gazes deep into his Nostradamus© brand skrying bowl.)

I see several photos -- and possibly a graining YouTube video -- of a small artifact bearing the mysterious glyphs. It is on a laboratory table and supposedly being studied. The thing itself was mailed anonymously to a lab, which at this time is also anonymous, protecting itself from military government intervention. The parts themselves are surprisingly light. Preliminary "studies" indicate that it is unlikely that such a part could have been manufactured on Earth. Further studies will be done, and the results readied for a press conference in the near future. Much debate and excitement.



[edit on 30-7-2007 by SuicideVirus]

SV, I was reading chicken bones, a time honored practice in some parts, and I came up with a different vision.

I see someone coming forward with mysterious burns, headaches, and memory loss. Naturally due to their health problems, they cannot be contacted while they undergo medical evaluation.

But the good news is that they have new pictures of the even more menacing looking drone, snapped just moments before they blacked out.

Chicken bones never miss.

torsion, we've been waiting for you, is everything OK in the UK? Good to have your input. Thanx tor'. 10 days to Montreal...

The earlier Bennett link posted did have a question mark for good reason. Thanx, for clearing that up. I think. I'd never heard of Colin Bennett before... are they the same person? I would hope not. The Menzel reference I added because of his "controversial" duality as offered by Stanton F. D. Menzel wrote bizzare stuff too... some would say incongruous to his "other" supposed life.

I thought, "No way!."... The prolific Fortean writer has my interest and so does the other Bennett from U. Victoria with "The Survellance Project" at the Queens U. link, who most bizzarely is linked to Van Essen and some other Canadians and Americans involved in research that may have the interest of "others". I'll get it sorted...

I view "Fortean Writer" Bennett and Moulton-Howe as peripheral but they and C2C do have a long history... If you wanted "to run a game" who might you call? I'd choose them say as opposed to the Mothra company. I'd also "spice" and "salt" some "alternative" web-sites with yummy pretty candies of the eye.

BTW: Much of brain mapping is done using visual stimuli to illicit a measured response mapped across 4 dimensions graphically using PET and other data and a CARET software suite. Think of it as "Google-Brain". LOL. It even has it's own special "alphabet" of symbols.

The research out at U. of Waterloo which is linked to CARET which is linked to "The Brain Project" which is funded by NIMH and NIH would tend to be of use in understanding and manipulating data flow, spread and weight across nodes within the context of the individual, sub-group, group, and super-group. If someone is not doing such research then the PTB are missing the boat (a Mac-Issac), it would seem to be a concept that scales nicely.

Few individuals truly realize the power of the Net augmenting the usual communication mediums and the analog of brain/nervous system mapping would be a predictive asset. I would wager that those who "keep score" on internet are finding new ways to measure "need" and insert "just what you want to see" when "they" would like us to have that awareness.

Give it some thought tor', your attentions would be welcome by me.

There' some real "naggy" bits to do with timing and perhaps "faux-errors" that are in the media that will sort over time. LM-H is the next bit I sort of hope will shake out.

Time to ride home for dinner'

Vic

[edit on 30-7-2007 by V Kaminski]

Originally posted by Suicide Virus
The parts themselves are surprisingly light. Preliminary "studies" indicate that it is unlikely that such a part could have been manufactured on Earth. Further studies will be done, and the results readied for a press conference in the near future. Much debate and excitement.

Curiously, the several-times-postponed press conference had to be cancelled after the parts mysteriously disappeared after a seamless break-in at the lab. An unmarked car had been seen parked nearby. Even the lab's records are missing. The MIB Black Ops Divsion is suspected to be behind the break-in.

Originally posted by NGC2736
I see someone coming forward with mysterious burns, headaches, and memory loss. Naturally due to their health problems, they cannot be contacted while they undergo medical evaluation.

Curiously, the person requested to remain anonymous after mysterious death threats were phoned anonymously to the witness. Due to fear for his family and himself the witness refuses to come forward. and was quoted saying, "I wish I'd never seen those monsters. They have ruined my life." The MIB Black Ops Division is suspected to be behind the threats.

[edit on 7/30/2007 by schuyler]

But is it all the work of one person? Perhaps ‘Isaac/Chad/Rajman’ etc is a single individual behind a keyboard uploading tasty morsels into the ether and delighting in the feeding frenzy that follows. On the other hand it could be a small cell of co-operating activists, or even unrelated groups getting in on the action with their own imitative contributions.

Shuyler--thanks tons for the summary link and your usual excellent ponderings and postings.

I still have a persistent niggling doubt . . .

I realize that it would not be all that hard to set up a diversity of "witnesses" scattered around the country.

However, it just does not ring true to me that that is the case. Maybe I am trusting Linda M Howe's interview skills and experiences too much. But having met her and talked with her at length, I do trust her skills and sensings a lot. She's not really the push over some folks make her out to be.

Are we to construe her as part of the plot?

Possible, certainly. Sometimes I wonder if Stanton, Linda, Bob, the whole lot of better known researchers are in cahoots with the shadow folks. But mostly, I trust at least Stanton and Linda well above average.

But it's not just trusting Linda. She had oral interviews played on C2C with some very convincing sounding folks. With 30 years+ of professional interviewing in my background as a shrink . . . I'm not flawless. I CAN be fooled. But it's not very common at this stage. Listening to the interviewee responding to Linda . . . whether he'd been zapped with a mind controlled dream replacing some reality in a convincing way . . . or actual reality as he reported experiencing it . . . I would wager fairly emphatically that this witness was utterly convinced that he saw literally and tangibly what he was reporting he saw.

I don't know what to do with that handful of puzzle pieces along side all thse other puzzle pieces indicating some variation of hoax or some such.

In any case, I just do not believe that it's a single individual. There just seem to be too many nuance and stronger cues indicating otherwise, to me. I think Vic might agree.


[edit on 30/7/2007 by BO XIAN]

Greetings
Just cruising thru and wanted to pass on something. After looking at the LMH email I kept noticing Ty B.if it is TY B. Heston, a florida base business

ty b. heston

justas as Titor. what a wonderful photographer and digital imagery is his specialty. I noticed several overview shots and one of a man on a telephone pole. It always seems these ufos are attracted to telephone poles. Is there a freudian connection or message there? just that puttingobjects over telephone poles is not difficult or expensive as some have suggested.
When i went to peruse his gallery on photonet it had all been taken down and anything else associated except the first html embedded images.


The French say in all murders Cherche la femme ..look for the woman
In this I am merely following people..everyone is a suspect ..se la vi
We cannot think like males in linear mode....think like a woman multi tasking..Virally..
I predict a woman will solve this..

no bias here..Im a straight male.but my mum taught me well..


just an obeservation in passing

SyS

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[edit on 30-7-2007 by Sys_Config]

Originally posted by BO XIAN
In any case, I just do not believe that it's a single individual. There just seem to be too many nuance and stronger cues indicating otherwise, to me. I think Vic might agree.

I don't have any hard evidence to prove it, but because of the variations in the design, I feel that there was an initial point of origin for one portion of the story and photos, and then one or more people essentially took the ball and ran with it. I have observed this particular kind of Internet behavior before. The thrill of taking a fiction, expanding and elaborating on it. It's like a jazz riff, except that the "song" is a story or set of images.

Even the admitted CGI flying footage is an example of this kind of riffing. Had the creator of that bit of footage decided to obscure it a little and pass it off as "real," he could be part of the game.

Which gives me a funny idea. That CGI flying footage sure popped up quickly. Is there any chance that the person who created it might be involved with Issac or Chad or any of the other usual suspects? It just occurred to me that at one point our hosts might have planned for some video footage to be released, and maybe it didn't turn out as good as expected, so it was released as an "example" rather than something "real." Maybe they couldn't get the glyphs to look right on it or something.

Just a passing notion. Any possible connections, do you think?

[edit on 30-7-2007 by SuicideVirus]

Thanx SC... checked Hesto' out. Nothing obvious. But I will add Ty B, and Stephen to my search "stack". I'd imagine LM-H's website is taking some serious "hit" action in the last month. A statement of clarification from her would be welcome.

About the eyewitness sightings... is there a projection technology that could be implimented to produce such an experience... along the lines of... what was it called? Greenstar or some such? "It" was either there and they beliieve they saw something or they are liars. Either way - trouble. A whole group of cyclists? OK.

I don't like that the "witnesses" have vapourized for whatever reason... torsion can you share a link to that Australian incident? I'd like to have a look and see what techniques were employed.

Drones look "STUPID" - They don't fill the void - I'm waiting for "them" to respond... I want a new sighting with an orange sphere attached. LOL.

Cheers,

Vic


[edit on 30-7-2007 by V Kaminski]

Vic:
About the eyewitness sightings... is there a projection technology that could be implimented to produce such an experience... along the lines of... what was it called? Greenstar or some such? "It" was either there and they beliieve they saw something or they are liars. Either way - trouble. A whole group of cyclists? OK.

Good points, I think. But wondered if you'd elaborate a bit.

My own guesstimation from all the 'stuff' I've read over the years is that there is such a projection technology. And, it is even highly likely that SOME UFO experiences have involved such a technology. But that would not explain the scoop marks, implants, babies taken from wombs the end of the first trimester etc.

My sense from the reported sightings of the drones is that the technology and/or spiritual . . . overlay . . . would have to be extremely good and convincing to result in the kinds of emphatic statements the witnesses have made to Linda MH. Part of me is slightly skeptical it's all that good but what do I know--zip.

And, it seemed that some, if not most, of the 'sightings' involved drones that were reportedly, supposedly quite close to the witnesses . . . I'd think the projection technology would tend to be more employed and more effective at a greater distance . . . where perceptions could be construed naturally as being somewhat fuzzy at least at the boundaries between the projection and "normal reality" . . . whatever THAT is! LOL. But, again, what do I know about such black project technologies--nada.

But let's assume that such a technology is involved.

1. Is there any merit in using it with such a phenomenon vs the 'normal' UFO scenarios?

2. What would be different from the perpetrators' standpoints about using this version vs the 'traditional' versions?

3. What goals would be different?

Maybe that's a good question to expand a bit on . . .

What 'merit' from the perpetrators' standpoints is there in this sort of phenomenon vs the standard sorts of UFO scenarios REGARDLESS of how it was effected, managed, propagated?

The first things that come to mind are:

B1. The drones are much smaller except for the small orbs.

B2. Therefore, they are likely to be perceived by the general populace as . . .

(A) less intimidating . . .
(B) more curiosity, fun, intriguing . . . flavored . . .
(C) more . . . manageable mentally, emotionally, by the 'average man.'
(D) more of a size that average sorts of blokes could imagine dinking around with, playing around with . . . responding to on a more human level vs the more 'awesome' size and other aspects of 'conventional' UFO phenomena.
(E) there's an almost frisbee/boomerang quality to them . . . again . . . a fun sort of . . . (hate to say it-->) meme.
(F) Lots of men might easily be thinking . . . 'Hey, I want one of those, what fun.'
(G) . . . ???

All of which sort of serves to bring ?technologies? the ball park of such topics instead ofthe massive mother ships and other more awesome aspects of the ET/UFO phenomena down more to arm's length, in one's lap in a more comfortable format sort of way . . .

What might the shadow gov's objectives with those factors be?

C1. Would it merely be an acclimatizing goal to decrease the freak-out factor when the disclosure is made?

C2. Would it be . . . more a control issue . . . is some control-of-the-populace aspect increased or lessened by such a thing? I'd wager somehow more increased or they would not use it. They are addicted to heavy handed control.

C3. Would it be to acclimatize folks to surveilance drones?

C4. Maybe it's "just" to see what the populace on the net does with such potentials?

. . . just pondering here . . . no brilliant conclusions . . . just brute pondering.