room 401

srry this tread is late only didnt see the show until lasy night

the host says theirs no camro triks yet a guy can shove a hand into glass and pull it out without showing any sighn of damag to the glass its probly a hidden camra show with actors but the ppl wont ever know or the ppl are acters sence you dont put a camra crew in a kicken or ally nd wait for something weird to happen

so how do they do it all the stuff on that show

in english please? maybe some punctuation? an ATTEMPT to spell things correctly or at least phonetically?

where do I even start...


What are you talking about and could you please not abbreviate words so that people might be able to comprehend what you're saying?

I take it this is some kind of TV show?

Good form would be to include some more info about it and maybe a link to the website.

[edit on 20-7-2007 by elevatedone]

the show is a reality show where magicians and special effects crews mess with unsuspecting participants. it's called sleight of hand and trickery. much like Criss Angel, David Copperfield, Doug Henning..It's an illooooosion

Originally posted by Crakeur

it's called sleight of hand and trickery. much like Criss Angel, David Copperfield, Doug Henning..It's an illooooosion

Yes, of course, Cracker. Of course it was an illusion. That wasn't the question. The question was how do they do it? Specifically how do they reach into the fish tank and pull out a completely dry McDonalds hamburger. If you don't know, just say you don't know. Don't bother with saying "it must be some kind of camera trick". Thanks.

Originally posted by johnlear
Yes, of course, Cracker. Of course it was an illusion. That wasn't the question. The question was how do they do it? Specifically how do they reach into the fish tank and pull out a completely dry McDonalds hamburger. If you don't know, just say you don't know. Don't bother with saying "it must be some kind of camera trick". Thanks.

John,
Someone asked how they did it and another member asked what the original poster was even saying. I responded by describing the show and explaining that it was done using magicians and special effects crews as that was what one member was asking.

Your arrogance is nauseating and your pompous behavior is unwarranted and unnecessary. Put me on ignore so you never have to fire one of your sarcastic, obnoxious barbs my way. Thanks.

Originally posted by Crakeur

Your arrogance is nauseating and your pompous behavior is unwarranted and unnecessary. Put me on ignore so you never have to fire one of your sarcastic, obnoxious barbs my way. Thanks.

Cracker, please accept my sincerest and heartfelt apologies for my nauseating and pompous behaviour, it was unintended. Now, please tell me how you know it was an .."illloooooshin", and if was an ..."illlloooossshiiin"" how did they do it?

Thanks. And if you don't know, just say, "I don't know." Thanks again.

Originally posted by johnlear
Now, please tell me how you know it was an .."illloooooshin", and if was an ..."illlloooossshiiin"" how did they do it?

For starters, there are many folks on this orb grounded in reality and we know the difference between magic and reality. It might also help that in all the press releases and reviews the show received in the last week, they stated the premise of the show. Allow me to quote one press release regarding the show.

Viewers are invited to enter the mind-blowing journey through the weird, absurd and shocking world of illusion in the new series, Room 401. The show sweeps unaware victims into the center of mini horror movies that play out live in front of their eyes. From the reanimation of the dead, to chain-saw mishaps, to sinister sushi experiences, each episode will contain four "scares" sure to tingle the spine. Featuring some of the most talented, up- and-coming illusionists, Room 401 will make viewers scream, jump and even laugh... uncomfortably.

the link:
www.movieweb.com...


allow me to stress one part: Shocking world of illusion.

This is a tv show John. I know you have a hard time distinguishing reality from fantasy land but this is not real. this is illusions. trickery. You, of all people, should know this show is based on illusions. Afterall, how can a dead man be reanimated if his soul is caught by that giant tower one the moon.

FWIW:

Here's a trailer of the show in question.

MTV-Cable content *some viewer discretion advised*



Pretty obvious that it's accomplished via special effects, and, while they're quite impressive and seemingly realistic, it's still studio work ... achieved in a controlled environment.

TheBaldEagle,
Thanks for the heads-up on this show. After having seen the trailer, I think I've found one more for the "waste of the airwaves" list.

It'll fit quite nicely between the faux Reality and Survivor sections ... better yet, I think I'll file it right next to TV Fakery.
Yeah, that's it.

 

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[edit on 20-7-2007 by 12m8keall2c]

Ok, well thanks. All any of you had to say was you didn't know how the illusion was performed. Instead you give me a lot of verbage about 'must be' and 'coulda been' and trailers. Thanks again anyway.

John, there is no need to turn this into a petty childish argument. Crakeur posted a seemingly normal response and then you try and twist it into a catfight. Drop the antics please.

Originally posted by johnlear
All any of you had to say was you didn't know how the illusion was performed.

Uhm ... Where and or when was I asked to?

I was simply trying to assist other members who may not be familiar with the Show. That, and to offer my personal opinion regarding such. Are there more requirements to posting, that I may be unaware of?

Having not seen a hamburger pulled from a fish tank, anywhere in the trailer, I don't feel I'd be in a position to even comment on such ... thus, I haven't.

 
Though, I did take the time to search for that episode ... yet, the trailer was the best that I could find ... the most representative of the Show.

 

if we can't detail the machinations of the trick, then what? it's not a trick? It's stated in the show's bio that they use illusions (illoooosions was a reference to the way Doug Henning used to say it by the way) and yet we get some cranky member who decides to chastise us for not knowing how they did it beyond using illusionists, magicians and special effects crews.

If I asked someone, say, how exactly does a soul catcher work and they can't tell me, does that mean I can toss that theory out the window?

Originally posted by SimonGray

John, there is no need to turn this into a petty childish argument. Crakeur posted a seemingly normal response and then you try and twist it into a catfight. Drop the antics please.

Excuse me Simon but Crakeur attempted to ridicule TheBaldEagle taking advantage of Bald Eagles poor english. The specific ridicule was "illloossshiinnn" as if The Bald Eagle didn't know it was an illusion.

All I asked was how the illusion was specifically performed.

The reponse that you allege was 'normal' was a clear attempt at ridicule of The Bald Eagle.

But thanks for the post.

john plz dont defend me im a bad typer and the quetion was HOW DO THEY DO IT not IT WAS A ILOOOOOSHIN i know that im not stupid



[edit on 20-7-2007 by TheBaldEagle]

Originally posted by TheBaldEagle
the host says theirs no camro triks yet a guy can shove a hand into glass and pull it out without showing any sighn of damag to the glass its probly a hidden camra show with actors but the ppl wont ever know or the ppl are acters sence you dont put a camra crew in a kicken or ally nd wait for something weird to happen

so how do they do it all the stuff on that show

Back on subject-
A quick search on Google seemed to pull up the following article on David Blaine and a similar trick to the one you mentioned:

The following Website gives 3 explanations for a possible hand through glass trick.

Theory 1
Blaine puts newspaper in front of window and appears to put hand into
window, but his real hand is actually going into his sleeve. It is his
assistant's hand that is actually reaching for the watch in the
jewelry display, using an angle trick to fool TV audience that it's
Blaine's real hand. That's the purpose of the newspaper, to hide
where the assistant's hand is originating from in front of the
display, just ahead of the glass. The camera angle helps to hide it
behind newspaper. If you look carefully, Blaine's arm movements do
not even match movement of hand inside store, and they're not even the
same skin color! So after assistant's hand brings 2nd watch under
display, Blaine pretends to pull hand out, but already has 1st watch
palmed

Theory 2
It was his own hand, but more than likely not ever a real jewelry
store. They re-worked the front facade of that shop.
There is more window pane than 'meets the eye.' The glass extends a
few feet into the left window frame and hides the hole. When the
newspaper is brought up to the glass, the whole pane is moved
left-to-right -- extending now further into the RIGHT window frame. Of
course, once the hand is removed, the whole pane again slides left,
and hides the hole. When the newspaper leaves the glass, all appears
as before

Theory 3
[David Blaine] does a simple illusion, films it, then does a bunch of
[things] they cut out before its aired and puts it all together. like
with the watch through the window...he probably palmed it to a guy
walking by who put it inside the store. then they stopped the camera,
brought it back out and put all the shots together. i saw this
hilarious outtake footage where he [messes] up a whole lot...he would
[mess] up each trick about 5 times on the street, but they edit it all
out.

I hope this is what you are looking for.

Originally posted by Crakeur
(illoooosions was a reference to the way Doug Henning used to say it by the way)

I would never make fun of someone else's spelling or grammar but I am sure the members greatly appreciate your coming to their defense Mr. Leer.


Second, as I also stated above, I responded to the other poster who asked what the OP was referring to and then added that the show was about using magicians and fx crews to fool the public. You then jumped in, all holier than thou, with your usual arrogance for absolutely no reason.

I'm off to enjoy a two day trip to Hershey hell. Have a stellar weekend and keep chasing windmills.

Well, despite the fact that everyone seems to be unhappy with each other, thank all of you very much for pointing out this show. I don't watch MTV as a rule, but this seems not only to be well done technically, but fits my sick sense of humor to a "t".

I sort of liked "Fear Factor", for example, but they didn't pull the gags off as well as they seem to on the trailer.

I'll be punching this into the old Tivo shortly.

I never seen the program but as long as it is not live TV, this is how i would do it.
Using camera tracking software that will output a camera path and angle that you can use in you 3d animation software.
Than anything is possible.

When you see huge transforming robots walking trough the streets on tv, you know its not true, but when you bring it in some suggestive form of "illusion shows", you tend to see it with different eyes.
Its the brain that makes it look reel because you want to see an illusion.
Anything on tv can be faked, quite easy, you just dont want to believe they would take this road, you like to think more that they play by the rules (of illusion)

Users feed Mayalive a live-action sequence, and it figures out the original camera moves and focal lengths of that shot. Then you can create a CG element that will perfectly integrate with the camera moves. To be more specific, the tracker software follows several points in different areas of a shot and calculates the camera movement from the relative difference in the tracking point motion. (A tracking point can be any area that has a distinct luminance or chrominance difference-a shape that has a clearly defined outline, for example.) In the Dirt Devil spot, confetti scattered on a carpet made for great tracking marks. The tracker in Mayalive is very good. The program continually surprised me in terms of what you can track.

digitalcontentproducer.com...

Excuse my english, its my second language.

[edit on 20-7-2007 by jaamaan]

there was a show on Sci-Fi that used to be kinda like room 401.

it was a lot better, they did this one where the simulated and alien abduction, well kinda.. more like a craft landing.. they would seriously freak people out on that show

there was another one with these campers in a trailor and big foot attacked them. haha good show

sorry, im not trying to hi-jack your thread