Could 2012 be the Year Aliens start War with Earth ???

Originally posted by Averysmallfoxx
the mayans had that concept of the cycles of creation,the greeks had a strikingly similar version called the ages of man,in which every generation was made out of a less precious metal (gold,silver,bronze,etc.) and tying nostradaumus was a stretch i admit, but if we had something to study, like the thing itsmagic was talking about we could make more accurate observations. i doubt that it is the world itself that would have these things occur and ice as a devastation device would serve as the same as water. if the caps were to melt then they would raise the sea levels but an ice age seems very unlikely id think it would take alot more time to occur than five years. and fire is out too, i wouldnt rule out earthquakes but i wouldnt be sure. it seems that every destructionary period is caused by an elemental instigation, fire,water,earth,wind,etc.

you misunderstand my use of ice.
I meant the fact that global warming can lead to an ice age. (Something a lot of people still don't realize, but this won't happen fast enough to be in 2012 save for divine intervention)
Also, I think the calendar is wonderful as I've studied it as a hobby but I can't say I'm afraid of 2012 because I believe in it (there's not much to believe it's a practical calendar like most out there.) But I do know a lot about the calendar and know that at least half of the crock people think about the calendar are no where near to the original meaning of the calendar. It's hyping and selling books. When I type in mayan calendar and read what most sites are writing as fact my stomach makes a knot.
This calendar is one of the least well understood things in common knowledge. The calendar primarily still deals with agriculture for the most part like most calendars up to ours.

The thing which makes this culture and especially the calendar so interesting is how their religious idea's evolved.
Instead of bending or ignoring reality to fit their religion they looked at reality to shape their religion. So I hope they made mistakes in their observation or this cycle will end and a new one begins, and we will be gone completely. This is what they think will happen after studying the cyclical nature of events and the heavens and stars above them. This did not even warrant that much interest of them since they were far from the end of the cycle and more concerned about crop planting and harvesting part of the calendar which is far more detailed and in that sense the most amazing thing of the whole calendar. it's more accurate then ours.. they didn't have telescopes etc...

On the aliens, I think it's unwise to assume anything about them if we meet any, wether you think they have reasons to attack, or reasons to pamper us, you are all projecting human aspects on something that is not human in any way, might not even have evolved along the same principles as our species. You can not possibly predict how they view us as we know nothing about them or the nature that they were derived from.

[edit on 26/7/2007 by David2012]

I think if we see any attacks taking place here on earth by other-worldly craft, those craft will be government made, the whole "They attacked first so now we'll defend earth and shoot them down" scenario. This I think would create a state of fear here in America and then the government would step in and say "the time is now for us to gain control of this massive confusing outbreak, forget what you knew yesterday, for it is long gone.
Hopefully, if they are orbiting up there somewhere, they will see this happening and set things straight, starting with our government.

Just spread positive thoughts and a little love, you never know, our rescuers may be listening for us to make the mindset shift so that they may finally arrive and put things right.

One can only hope.

i first stated early in the posts here that if there was to be a conflict it would not be war as we know it, i stand by that and for reasons you would have to go look up because i dont want to explain it again, not to sound crass. secondly, i dont believe that there is a reason i have seen yet to signify conflict on the horizon, because if they wanted us gone it would have happened already.third, i believe much of the more ancient civilizations of earth had references to gods which i would interpret as aliens. is that an easy to believe assumption? i would be inclined to say no. in fact it is neither fact that i can prove nor fact that i believe anyone else can beyond reasonable doubt. but i feel it is fair to give it the credibility here as a good possibility as good of one as any other atleast.
Hesiod talks about the five ages of man in the greek culture and it does parallel the mayan beliefs closely.i like how interesting that sounds. so much so that i might post a link to descriptions of either just to make comparisons, and for the sake of explaining relevance, because both have ties to this being a yet another cycle we will see ended and a new one commensing.

why not push a comet into our path, wait for all life to croak and rebuild their own cities easy and they dont have to do much except clean up a bit................................we must not allow a mine shaft gap!

2012 is not at all unlikely. Well, from my personal belief in technology (it's based on lots of sources on the internet, google "nanotechnology") somewhere around 2012 (2010-2015) is a likely time for us humans to develop fully functional nanotechnology.

With that comes a great threat to our planet, solarsystem and maybe the galaxy. Refered to as "grey goo", basicly nanobots eating everything and replicating themselfes. Kind of like smaller more effective "Replicators" (from Stargate SG-1).

Also an unfriendly AI (Terminatorstyle, Matrix etc) could be a real threat for us and others in space. Same goes for advanced bio-technology. A virus leathal for all living things maybe?

Those threats (if we handle em wrong) could be ground for aliens to wipe us out entirely. Tho, not without contact and fair warning first I believe.

Have a nice day.

The fake attack so the public will support shooting at them would be the dumbest idea in the history of mankind, to challenge something of which you don't know the nature and technological prowess, or even if they had similar technology they could still be far ahead in warfare or just simply outnumber us by ridiculous amounts.
A species that's so far into spacetravel will likely have populated more then 1 planet, have a huge population count and for all we know doesn't see lives lost in as bad a light as we do, it might be a very acceptable price to them it might not, they might be benevolent, the point is we simply don't know and can't possibly understand untill we have had public contact for a long period of time without mishaps. Our only hope if they are hostile is that they are as fractured as we are, suffering internal conflict.

I personally believe unification of our species is a necessary step before we can venture into space succesfully (properly) when the time comes that we possess the technology to do so. We have no reasons to assume space will be benevolent, but judging by the information we do have about nature on this planet we best be prepared and we won't stand a chance against a hostile species that's been around longer if we are still a fractured society with internal strife.
Everyone always says better safe then sorry. But somehow a lot of people are willing to stake a whole species on assumptions about aliens. I don't think wandering into the unknown unprepared is wise.
But then this is a question for the people and leaders that will live in the time we invent technology that can have us travel lightyears in exceptable traveltime and circumventing relativity somehow. I don't see that happening soon nor do I think some alien will publicly visit us any time soon for any reason at all.
We are simply uninteresting, maybe on the level like we study fauna.
But if the calendar cycles is aliens returning to check on some form of experiment and the idea's about gods coming from observing aliens then arm yourself, because then their point of view will be that they own us.

Why we are uninteresting:
Assuming they are spacefaring and doing it relatively easy over vast distances then:

-We are simply not advanced enough to warrant anything more then a passing curiosity.
-Our planet is uninteresting as far as resources go because to be that advanced means they likely have vaccuum energy not requiring any source except empty space, couple that with energy matter conversion and anything you possibly need or want to create is available. (If we would ever survive to reach that level, we would finally be rid of materialism, famine, working for something you feel nothing for etc. and get on to more important things )

Keep in mind, we barely manage to understand each other, more often then not we don't and conflict ensues be it small, fight between 2 or large, war. But at the same time we think we can understand an intelligence not even from this planet?

About the different philosophies, religions etc. sharing the same idea.
It's really easy to connect the dots.
Imagine the last cycle where mankind was ended by a great flood.
Flood mythology is pretty much global. So let's take that as fact.
The earth is not destroyed and recreated for each cycle just mankind (and probably whatever else is around at the time) but the last cycle ended in global flood so we can't expect too much archealogical evidence from the 4th cycle, not all was lost though.
Now read the indian texts about something that in hindsight with our technology looks and sounds a lot like a world war and nuclear weapons, backed by the glass sheet deserts which more or less have 2 explanations as for the sand becoming 90%+ pure glass, impact (e.g. asteroid) or nuclear explosion, impact would have shattered the glass in the process of creating it but it didn't shatter. So we now have a world war, extensively using weapons that could cause a flooding of the type (rapid global climate change, it happens. Icecores research) Let's pick some names for the nations/cultures involved in this war. Lemuria and Atlantis. Whom's mythology just fits so neatly with this all.
Not all was lost though and that's where our common global knowledge without having contact with each other comes from. Their calendar is not religion as such that it tries to show absolute time and reality, truth. There point of view of time is cyclical instead of our common and far from correct linear point of view.
Things change yes. but slowly over time. To this you can then tie idea's about reincarnation, reliving the same life again and again, but always different depending on the differences, e.g. the survival of mammals throughout cycles, leading to the current simian version of 'mankind'.
You can even tie in dinosaurs and humans together, it wouldn't be simian humans like us though in the what? maybe 2nd cycle that would have included dinosaurs, The first cycle we were derived from fish, somehow this can be tied into evolution in an eerie way again. All this is just from the top of my head on the spot.
[this little story is fictional and made up on the spot to show how easy it is to make a coherent story out of myths and legends.]

Will we end up in a world destroying war again?, don't know. But the stage is pretty well set up at the moment, and the date is nearing. all in all I'm still not really worried yet. (no point to it)

I just hope they were wrong about the large creation and destruction cycles, I was rather hoping to reach an older age then 31

[edit on 27/7/2007 by David2012]

Originally posted by Twixly
Also an unfriendly AI (Terminatorstyle, Matrix etc) could be a real threat for us and others in space. Same goes for advanced bio-technology. A virus leathal for all living things maybe?

Those threats (if we handle em wrong) could be ground for aliens to wipe us out entirely. Tho, not without contact and fair warning first I believe.

Your right about the threat of AI , by that time what if all the supercomputers go haywire and cause a WW3 in simillar fashion to Terminator 3 , would we stand a chance folks. And the part of aliens destroyin' us is highly possible but hey if we could make their craft fall down year after year we might have a chance.(Too bad Arnold is too damn old to save us this time)

Originally posted by EBE 17
No, it couldn't.

There is nothing special in 2012. There won't be. There aren't any aliens that are going to come and rage war with us, they already would have had they wanted to, the only aliens I believe are a peaceful race, and I don't see a peaceful race raging war.

But that's my opinion.

As far as you saying nothing will happen in 2012, you don't know that, and I sure as hell don't know. We'll have to wait and see. Then if 2012 passes with out incident, then we'll have another "time frame" that we'll have to wait for impending disaster.

So what your saying is that IF there is an alien race out there, then its ONLY peaceful? I would find that hard to believe when there is so much evidence of a motley assortment races and species here on Earth. Granted we are no where near a Type 2 or 3 civilization. We haven't even fully reached Type 1 yet. Since the universe is so large, I'd have to say its quite boastful to suggest that an alien species would only be peaceful. Don't get me wrong, I'd sure wish that they ALL would be.

My guess would be that with the diversity here on Earth and with the Universe as big as it is, then I would think that the Universe would be teaming with all sorts of strange things, benevolent and malevolent. And a little bit in between. But then again, what do I know. I'm just human.

i found an interesting series on a man named alex collier on youtube and he details at length a multitude of explanations for why we are here, why other races are here, the malevolent and benevolent agendas of the respective races and our part in all of it as it vastly approaches an unprepared human race. i found his story if nothing else very entertaining. not to say hes a quack or the real deal but very entertaining. you all might find quite a bit of interest in this particular series as it talks about some impending events of which imply we are on the cusp of figuring out either our place in a very vast cosmos.
another issue id like to bring forth is the asteroid apophis. if im not mistaken it is calculated to make a pass around the earth in 2029 and then it is unclear if it will be close enough to be pulled in to earth in 2036 when it returns to make a run very close to our lower atmosphere. so its conceivable that if we dodge one threat wed only run into another...hmm

Originally posted by Averysmallfoxx
i found an interesting series on a man named alex collier on youtube and he details at length a multitude of explanations for why we are here, why other races are here, the malevolent and benevolent agendas of the respective races and our part in all of it as it vastly approaches an unprepared human race. i

Could you tell us which vids your talkin' about 'cause there's a whole bunch of vids and I'd like to know which one you've seen.If he's an abductee it'll be much greater to see and talk about here on this thread.

sure man ill post a link to the beggining of his series id suggest the series with a watermark through the middle, its a series of 12 10minute vids each and they explain a great deal of what alex collier believes to be the jist of the "earth dilema" very interesting and very oriented torwards coming events but ill say this now, this was done i believe in 94. i found it very outside of the box, he talks about alot of subjects and notice how passionate he gets at times, seems hard for such an articulate man to get passionate about something so crazy unless he seriously believes what hes preaching....hmm feel free to weigh in peeps.

alex colliers interview 1/12

Originally posted by Averysmallfoxx
they explain a great deal of what alex collier believes to be the jist of the "earth dilema" very interesting and very oriented torwards coming events but ill say this now, this was done i believe in 94.

I don't believe all his statements but he made some good points as to why the government fell into the grey's trap, I don't get why he called the greys blood suckers as if they were a vampire-like race.I don't know if ya noticed it but it seems he believes in no form of religion clearly stating that jesus and what we know of as God to be a HOAX.He could be makin' up info 'cause no one could memorize and repeat something 100% right or say stuff that has been told to them fully.The only way he could be proven right is if what he stated actually occurs, thanks for the vid Averysmallfoxx.

he doesnt so much call the greys blood suckers, its more like they are leeches on the "energy fields" we produce while in states of fear and panic and paranoia and even hate. i think since he claims hes been visited alot during his liftetime by the adromedans its possible hes retained alot of what they told him because he said he started doing lectures and i think it was probably a point he meant to persue all along (to do lectures) so he could foreseeably know so much because he has alot he wants to get out. I found how angry he gets when he talks about the draconians abducting children to be surprising, and how at times while discussing how some of the "eliteist" of our race have sold the rest out for profit or personal gain he gets visibly upset and to a degree passionate.
I do concur though that there were some hard to even perceive points he made (like the mars base, and maybe even the moon base,the time travel for sure) but a particularly interesting point i started thinking about is the moon base thing, he says it was towed here, he says that its ancient and has ancient bases and such all over and underground, that it isnt a natural moon and what i want to know is, if it IS a natural moon, why doesnt it have ANY spin at all? it always circles the globe with the same face directed at us. so i wonder if it did spin what we would be able to see with a good telescope.
in so far as the religion aspect, i dont necessarily agree or disagree personally, i believe that we are all little creators and that the nature of god is to create and essentially while the reincarnation portion seems a stretch i think that it would be easy enough for aliens to trick ancient civilizations unfamiliar with anything like the technology they would have if they could get here to an ancient earth, into believing that they were infact godly, not to mention if they looked very much like we do.
lastly i think the man has some good points but even if hes write i doubt the world would listen to him unless there was unquestionable evidence and thats a fact i think that saddens me because even if hes not completely reliable hes right that we should not be soo vicious to one another.in the end all we have in this universe is indeed each other.

this might be going off track but i think theres supportive elements of the power of the mind and therefore the "internal god" belief in the movie "what the bleep do we know??" its a documentary for the most part about very current breakthroughs in the understanding of the natural laws of the world in which we live and to a degree a very introspective account of scientifical theory that what we believe is essentially made into reality by the mind every day, every second, and therefore our religious ideas pertain value because we hold them so close to what we believe honestly in. by the same token, what we refuse to believe in can not for instance have effect, especially by the individual because we simply do not allow for the possibility of certain things to be possible and hence they arent. i could post a link but ill wait and see if anyone is even interested in going that way. just because it is indeed off topic but somewhat relevant indirectly. anyways yeah thnx again for the input steve-o

There's a small chance that aliens would want to exterminate us. A good but strange analogy would be insects and men. When you see an ant, (unless you're an ant killer) you would just ignore it. On the contrary, if you see a termite or a mosquito, you would have the urge to kill it because you know it will damage your environment or yourself. Same thing for E.T. and us, are we a problem to them? Can we bite them or "eat their wood (destroying their houses)"? For now, no way. But let's not wish that it would ever happen. The most problable reason why they would kill us now is if we know too much about them. Curiosity shall be our ticket to extermination? Maybe, maybe not. Let's hope the shadow government doesn't make any stupid decisions for now.

(Just to say, i didn't read the past replies, so if i'm repeating someone's message or am out of context, i'm sorry, i just had to say what i had to say.)

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well there is ALWAYS that possibility but i think that if we are sooo small, and they are sooo vast, the time to come down here would only be taken if it was a threat of vast purportions they were here to quell. and in that train of thought i have the idea they would not wait for a particular year to act, they would simply act.
i wish to reiterate that IF that was the case,they would simply extinguish us without warning,without our knowlege of any provocation,and move on.the idea that they would play with us seems immature for them as a race if they are a type II civilization, let alone a type III.

Originally posted by Averysmallfoxx
he doesnt so much call the greys blood suckers, its more like they are leeches on the "energy fields" we produce while in states of fear and panic and paranoia and even hate.I found how angry he gets when he talks about the draconians abducting children to be surprising, and how at times while discussing how some of the "eliteist" of our race have sold the rest out for profit or personal gain he gets visibly upset and to a degree passionate.
lastly i think the man has some good points but even if hes write i doubt the world would listen to him unless there was unquestionable evidence and thats a fact i think that saddens me because even if hes not completely reliable hes right that we should not be soo vicious to one another.in the end all we have in this universe is indeed each other.

Thanks for fixin' me on the blood sucker stuff(I didn't listen fully to what he said) . I believe him to be truthfull but some of his claims are too hard to believe in , but hey if they're aliens out there anything is possible. You brang up a good point of the moon not turnin' and facin' only one side, was it an artificial creation or was it there to begin with( did anybody hear about John Lear's Soul Catcher Theory, i'm a firm believer in his statement since I've got relatives who are remote viewers/psychics that can only see certain spots on the moon and are forced not to look into certain areas sayin' it is secret and they have no reason bein' there), there's hidden stuff out there that truely should remain secret or the world as we know it will never be the same.



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iam not actually aware of this theory john lear has, any one have links for it? id like to take a look. and yeah i admit alex collier has some very out there beliefs but like you say steve-o if there are aliens out there who knows how much truth has been locked away from the public. i found the explanation of how our financial deficits are enslaving the general global populace into a debt we can never conceivably repay quite compelling. notice who mr.collier points out to OWN the banking organizations which enforce the deficit. Not far from the truth in my estimation.

[edit on 28-7-2007 by Averysmallfoxx]

Originally posted by Averysmallfoxx
found the explanation of how our financial deficits are enslaving the general global populace into a debt we can never conceivably repay quite compelling. notice who mr.collier points out to OWN the banking organizations which enforce the deficit. Not far from the truth in my estimation.

Amen to that Averysmallfoxx, you heard about the recent fall in stocks lately , soon the financial world will come to a collapse and who's gonna help us, most likely the people in charge of the Illuminati(which are probably puppets to the alien greys), which own most of the world through real estate and merchandising as we know it.Does anybody know about the bilderberg members, I think Bill Gates is one of the members of this secret group meeting.(Sorry for not bein' completly on topic folks, at least I mentioned the greys:up.

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Well dont know if this has been mentioned anywhere yet, but theres a mention of this in the "X-CONFERENCE AND UFOS PRESS CONFERENCE AT THE NATIONAL PRESS CLUB, WASHINGTON, DC – April 25th 2005".

The speaker who talks about this is Alfred Lambremont Webre. Bio


Video
About 1 hour 30 min into the seminar is where the mention of this starts. References to Mayan culture included. The theory mentioned is about what triggered the Tsunami in 04. The theory is that there was a gamma ray outburst from an explosion of a massive neutron star (confirmed by NASA in a February 05 press conference) in Sagitarius 45 million light years ago (also mention of a galatic superwave) reached earth on December 27th 04.
Then goes on to talk about this Wave with its cycles of 13000 and 26000 year cycles. Next one due.... you guessed it... December 2012.
Anyway watch the video if u havent already. Interesting stuff.

Either way, people need to start taking some of this stuff seriously rather than laughing it off and thinking its all so far fetched that it cant possibly be true. (reference to the whole scenario - UFOs EBEs and more worrying than those, the US government/Agenices and its allies for lying to us for the last 60 odd years.)

Theres so much technology for us to embrace and new doors to open, and we could halt so many wrongs we have created (starvation, pollution, poverty etc..) with things we already have but are not, yet, allowed access to. We (the main populace) are living in a bubble; we are kept entertained with trivial things like tv shows and whats next seasons fashion must buy and untimately useless junk to amuse us whilst living in ignorance of what is the true reality.