for those that don't believe the gov'ment might be hiding information regading ets

memo from j edgar stating that the army had something and that the Roswell incident was being investigated by FBI.

outofthebluethemovie.com...

LOL what a scam!

That memo is about two disks in Louisiana some kids or something used in a hoax!!!! The FBI wanted to know what they looked like just in case anybody else tried to pull that prank but the Army grabbed them first and it pissed them off.

If they're trying to sell you that snake oil "Out of the Blue" is a riipoff!

Originally posted by hotsheets
memo from j edgar stating that the army had something and that the Roswell incident was being investigated by FBI.

outofthebluethemovie.com...

Please do a little more research on this kind of thing before you barge into here with your know-it-all attitude when it is so laughably obvious that you don't know anything.

Ok guys...he made a mistake... at least he/she is eager and excited about this topic. Why are people here so unforgiving? All that attitude does is drive people away from ATS. I swear, some of you act like holyrollers in here.

Wicked

Originally posted by SuicideVirus
Please do a little more research on this kind of thing before you barge into here with your know-it-all attitude when it is so laughably obvious that you don't know anything.

How the hell does his post possibly make him out to have a "know-it-all attitude"? He simply presented a piece of information that he thought might 'be' something. Geez, he even included *might* in his title -- unlike 'some' who present everything as fact.

I -- and I'm sure many others, find your attempt at "barging" new people out with your "know-it-all attitude" when it is so "laughably obvious" you have nothing interesting to contribute... quite irritating.

Originally posted by SuicideVirus
Please do a little more research on this kind of thing before you barge into here with your know-it-all attitude when it is so laughably obvious that you don't know anything.

Classic Freudian slip. Attributing your own attributes to others.

As to the picture I find it very telling and even incontrovertible if it is indeed a memo from Hoover. I should like to know as to why the skeptics feel out of the blue is a rip-off?

my bad. i had no clue it was a rip-off. i just assumed it was something worth posting. oh well.

Please do a little more research on this kind of thing before you barge into here with your know-it-all attitude when it is so laughably obvious that you don't know anything.

From where I am sitting it isn’t hotsheets who has a know-it-all attitude it is you. If you are the font of all wisdom and knowledge perhaps you would like to put some facts on the table that would support your ‘insinuation’ that you know everything and hotsheets knows nothing!!!!

It is a good movie. There is so much buzz about ufo's lately i certainly hope that we will have a mass sighting or something because the suspense is killing me. Here is Out of the Blue on Google video.

video.google.com...

Originally posted by hotsheets
my bad. i had no clue it was a rip-off. i just assumed it was something worth posting. oh well.

That's cool. Just be careful and don't believe everything you see and read. Especially when it comes to UFOs. Usually if it sounds too good to be true it probably isn't.

The good news is at least you didn't have to pay for the DVD.

Originally posted by Access Denied
That memo is about two disks in Louisiana some kids or something used in a hoax!!!! The FBI wanted to know what they looked like just in case anybody else tried to pull that prank but the Army grabbed them first and it pissed them off.

That's right Hoover was "pissed" because the Army was basically stepping on the FBI's toes, that is why Hoover "insisted" that if the FBI joins (Brig. Gen. Schulgen's) Air Force investigation that the FBI must have future "access" to any "recovered Disks".

In fact the FBI and the Air Force soon after this decided to "spy" on the Army at White Sands, NM.

MAJOR GENERAL HAROLD E. WATSON: INTELLIGENCE PIONEER, AIR FORCE WARRIOR


During the late 1940s, the Army began testing captured, German V-2 missiles at White Sands, New Mexico. The question was asked of General Watson, "What's the Army doing at White Sands?" Since the question came from a high level, he decided to find out. To gather the information, General Watson decided to see what information could be obtained using electronic surveillance. After getting his plan approved by J. Edgar Hoover, the Federal Bureau of Investigation director, and General Nathan Twining, the Air Force Chief of Staff, General Watson put a crew in a hotel in Alamogordo, New Mexico, near the White Sands missile range to spy on the Army. This was the start of electronics intelligence (ELINT) as a concerted effort in the Air Force.

[edit on 15-7-2007 by lost_shaman]

hotsheets don't pay any attention to the rude and crass, they will grow up and learn how to be courteous one of these days.

Just keep looking and you'll be amazed at what you "see". I appreciate your efforts and it's apparent many other members here do too.

Springer...

Originally posted by hotsheets
for those that don't believe the gov'ment might be hiding information regading ets

Wait a sec here. 'Courtesy' is required on both sides of a debate. It wasn't hotsheets' post itself, but his title that can easily be taken as yet another 'challenge' of a believer to the idiot skeptics who call everything swamp gas. This wasn't a post to the general public asking for input on a new discovery, it was a post specifically directed at skeptics throwing this memo up as evidence. I can see why some people might take umbrage at this. I understand why some people reacted negatively to it.

I think overall both those who tend to be on the skeptical side as well as those who tend to be on the believer side have BOTH been jacked around here lately with a series of hoaxes and disappointments that have left everyone a little bit on edge. IMO BOTH sides need to back off into a more neutral stance.

Originally posted by schuyler
I can see why some people might take umbrage at this. I understand why some people reacted negatively to it.

I don't. There is NO need for the attacks I read here. ABSOLUTELY NONE!

IMO BOTH sides need to back off into a more neutral stance.

No need to back off, just be civil, that's all that is needed.

Originally posted by intrepid
No need to back off, just be civil, that's all that is needed.

Isn't that another way to say the same thing I did, Intrepid? Please not ethat Springer adddressed this just two posts back. Thanks.

Originally posted by schuyler

Originally posted by intrepid
No need to back off, just be civil, that's all that is needed.

Isn't that another way to say the same thing I did, Intrepid? Please not ethat Springer adddressed this just two posts back. Thanks.

Please note thread director that my post would not have been required without yours.

You're welcome.

Originally posted by hotsheets
my bad. i had no clue it was a rip-off. i just assumed it was something worth posting. oh well.

It was worth posting. If you check out the link to the FOIA files there's interesting stuff in there.

Read between the lines and it is clear that the FBI and Army were as much in the dark about UFOs as everyone. Indeed, it seems that they got their information from the same sources we do - not only witnesses, but the news media, and the cranks!

One memorandum states "The mere fact that the data herein were obtained by so-called supernormal means is probably sufficient to insure its disregard..." which implies that the information was provided by a 'channeller' or contactee.

There is some good stuff on the Maury Island incident in there, too.

So it's not your bad, Hotsheets!

Originally posted by WickedStar
Ok guys...he made a mistake... at least he/she is eager and excited about this topic. Why are people here so unforgiving? All that attitude does is drive people away from ATS. I swear, some of you act like holyrollers in here.

Wicked

I second Wicked's words. There are polite methods for explaining to someone how and when to use the 'search' function, etc.... If we keep acting like this; we might discourage someone with great questions or information from posting on the site.

There's a book, "UFO/FBI connection" by Dr. Bruce Maccabee that details how the FBI was aware of Military/Intelligence cover-up of crash retrievals and ET tech. Tons of VERY interesting documents in there.

for those that don't believe the gov'ment might be hiding information regading ets

We salute you!